Posted on 05/25/2007 4:30:11 PM PDT by drzz
Governor Darrell Flyingman of the Cheyenne and Arapaho Tribes of Oklahoma put things in realistic perspective when he arose to speak. He talked about the thousands of acres of land either ceded or stolen by hook and crook from the people of his nation over the years (in Oklahoma). He said, "I consider this to be a site of a massacre (Washita battlefield, OH) and not a battlefield as it is named and I will do everything within my power to see that the site is renamed as the Washita Massacre rather than Battlefield. Gov. Flyingman said that he felt great sorrow for the friends and family members of the massacre at Virginia Tech, but he was sad the television reporters kept referring to this tragedy as the worst massacre in American history. "The massacre of American Indians at Washita, Sand Creek and Wounded Knee were just as horrible and many more died at each massacre site as what happened at Virginia Tech, but I suppose the fact that it was 'just Indians' being slaughtered meant that it was not a part of American history," he said.
Source : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tim-giago/honoring-those-who-died-a_b_46519.html
Typical rewriting of history by Native Americans. For those who haven't watched the videos about what really happened at Washita, see the link.
Your history is threatened by the blame-America-first crowd.
probably was a massacre, I think it should be changed, and I’m not part of the AIM group But it was a sad chapter of history. Maybe they will let some of the places massacres took place of settlers build a monument as well?
It wasn’t a massacre at all.
Historian Jerome Greene wrote a book about the encounter in 2004, for the National Park Service. He concluded: “Soldiers evidently took measures to protect the women and children.” (Washita 1868, Norman, University of Oklahoma Press, p. 189.)
Why is there a graphic of a red dude wearing bunny ears?
“Maybe they will let some of the places massacres took place of settlers build a monument as well?”
You’re dreaming. They invent false massacres (every attack by the army is condemned) and hide what they’ve done. Bad bad whites, that’s their credo.
I think he’s full of Washita, if you know what I mean.
Two fingers. Communist-like sticker.
The AIM was the Black Panthers. They abducted and murdered two FBI agents in 1970 (to remember the real massacre of Wounded Knee) and, now, they are making a cultural war to blame America first, to bash the US military, to whitewash what the tribes did and to ask for “cultural centers” and millions of “sorry” by the US citizens.
It’s called ethnic minority lobbying.
I think I do... :-)
In fact, this is Little Big Man, not the actual event.
Little Big Man was an anti-US movie to condemn “US atrocities” and so on in Vietnam. Custer’s battle was totally changed.
Real casualties : 120 warriors and 13 warchiefs killed, 30 civilians killed, 23 US soldiers.
But, of course, some people said that the Cheyennes were peaceful, that warriors were women etc. Just like they say that Iraqis are old men when they blow up a Humwee.
THE BATTLE OF THE WASHITA Gregory F. Michno, ENCYCLOPEDIA of Indian Wars 1850-1890, from pages 226-227 Washita River on 12 November, 11 companies of the 7th Cavalry under Lt. Col. George A. Custer, 3 companies of the 3rd Infantry, 1 of the 5th Infantry, 1 of the 38th Infantry, and about 450 wagons set out from Fort Dodgefor Indian territory to seek out hostile Indians. Across a snow-covered landscape Custer followed Indian trails to a 50-lodge Cheyenne village on the banks of the Washita River. Early on the frigid morning of 27 November, nearly 700 men of the 7th Cavalryprepared to attack. To the tune of "Garry Owen", Custer charged into the village with his four battalions: Maj. Joel Elliot with Companies G, H and M came in from the northeast; Capt. William Thompson with Companies B and F, from the south; Lt. John M. Johnson with E and I attacked from the southwest; and Custer with A, C, D and K, from the west. The troops burst into the village, cutting down the Indians as they fled their lodges. The soldiers were also hit: one captain was killed by a bullet in the chest, and another was severely wounded in the abdomen. Maj. Elliot cut loose with 18 men of various companies to chase some Indianswho had escaped to the east, reportedly calling out, "Here goes for a brevet or a coffin". Elliot was cut off and his party killed. During the battle, the Cheyennes killed two of four white captives. It is uncertain whether Custer was able to rescue the other two. After soldiers killed Chiefs Black Kettle and Little Rock, Custer captured the camp, burned tipis and supplies, and shot 875 Indian ponies. As more Indians gathered from other camps downriver, Custer made a feint downstream, sending them back to protect their villages. Doubling back in the gathering darkness, Custer returned to his supply train and headed home, reaching Camp supply on 1 December. Custer captured 53 women and children during the mission and reported 103 Indians killed, though the Cheyennes claimed it was half that number. The army lost 21, with 16 wounded. Indian prisoners told Interpreter Dick Curtis that 13 of their warchiefs had been killed.
Hey, Sand Creek is a true massacre.
Washita is NOT. That’s the difference.
It’s not Indian-bashing if I point out that some Native Americans actually wants to rewrite history in the NA favor.
So, will the battle of bull-run become cow-walking?
The CW battlefield have an enormous problem of survival, and now Indian battlefield become the center of Native American revisionism. Bad days for US history.
Peltier is depicted as an angel by all the leftists of the planet. I don’t know the whole affair, but it’s suspect. If the leftists love him, he should have been a real asshole.
Someone told me that Indians said : “The AIM is assholes with mocassins”
“Of course if they read this they would call me an “Apple”, red on the outside but white on the inside”
hehehe and who’s the worm ?
“probably was a massacre”
“It was not a massacre”
This clearly shows the problems with “multicuralism”. For the most part things of this nature are a matter of perspective. Just like the more recent attempts to make Christopher Columbus out to be some sort of evil genocidal land grabber.
Can’t wait to see how much our history changes as we march forward with our massive immigration policy. Let’s face it America sucks, is an evil empire and “whitey”, the white man or the Anglos are the scourge of the earth. At least that is what our history will show in about another 50 years or so.
You’re right.
At Washita, the Cheyennes came back into camp after having massacred hundreds of White civilians, and when the army eventually attacked their base, they said: it’s our village, how dare can you attack our homes ?
It’s like the Talibans or the Palestinians hiding themselves in churches, mosques or homes and then complaining about being attacked.
“As long as the wind blow...grass grow....and the sky is blue”
Study the unvarnished history. Read the accounts of the day. Different story than you hear in today’s P.C. world.
It’s over and past. Let it lie.
If I go to the back of my great uncle’s bible, brought over on the Godspeed to the Jamestown Settlement in 1607, I can follow my family’s history recorded in the back to about the 1890s. There is one entry in the mid-1700s that reads “John, Betty and 3 daughters murdered by Chickasaw Indians.” That was well over 200 years ago. It’s over done and part of history. My sister is even married to a member of the Creek Nation. People were killed on both sides. It was a bad thing, but it’s over. The only people who want to live in the past are the Mullahs and Clerics of Islam who long for the 7th century.
You mean Washita Battlefield, Okla.
Changing history and historical sites is wrong and always comes with the agenda of a money grab.
Exactly. And it’s worse for Washita : the national site was created in 1993 !
It’s all new. But the Na want to change history in their way.
Well,, I have watch Indians talk on TV about the white man taking over their land,, as they sit on couches in beautiful homes in living rooms full of modern electronics, wearing jeans, shirts and shoes. How far back do we go? Why stop at a hundred years ago,, or two hundred,, why not back to the beginning of recorded history??? I say it is time to now rectify every wrong that can be traced back to the beginning of time, if possible. Western civilization should now step up and begin to trace back to the very fist recorded act of slavery,, the very first recorded offense, and slowly move forward while keeping score! It is time to set right every offense, every theft of land, every act of slavery or wrong of any kind,,, and let the chips fall where they may. Every war should be scrutinized,, whether brought on by Americans against Spain,, or one small Indian tribe against another! Certainly all people, whether Native American,, African American, this American or that American,, every person,, from every western nation,, would be ready to finally make it all right!!
***Hey, Sand Creek is a true massacre.***
You might want to read the book MASSACRES OF THE MOUNTAINS BY DUNN before you say something like that. Fresh white scalps, a blanket fringed with the hair of white women, ect. were all found at Sand Creek.
Ah, yes. The Washita. Custer went into Kansas and found burnt out farms and thanks to a fallen snow followed the tracks of the raiders back to the Washita where he attacked. In the camp there was found articles taken from the burnt out homes of farmers and a white captive boy. When the soldiers tried to save him the “squaw” who had him disimbowelled him with a knife. Such friendly Indians.
“They abducted and murdered two FBI agents in 1970 (to remember the real massacre of Wounded Knee).”
Wasn’t that the incident that Leonard Peltier was convicted for? Also, wasn’t Ward Churchill involved in it as well? It might be my imagination but I think I smell him in this.
I always find it amusing that apologists for the Indians routinely omit from any discussion about the Indian Wars just what happened to white captives who were unfortunate enough to survive an Indian attack. The “Noble Red Man” is a myth, conjured up by Eastern do-gooders who wouldn’t have known an Indian if one had bit them on the ass. A good case in point is James Fenimore Cooper and Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. Their “chivalric warriors” and “dusky maidens of the forest” are laughable when contrasted with the real thing. Indian tribes slaughtered one another with recckless abandon way before the “white man” ever stepped foot on the North American continent. The Indian tribes practiced slavery way before and even after slavery had run its course in America (capturing members of other tribes for torture and slavery was common practice; occasionally, in a spasm of compassion, a captive was adopted into the tribe to replace a member who had died). All one need do is read the accounts of the few white captives wsho survived or who were rescued from their captivity to see that the Noble Red Man was not only a myth, but an insulting one, at that. Sand Creek was bad, no doubt about it. However, I wonder what any average American’s thoughts would be if they came home to find their families, especially their wives and children, butchered in a most heinous fashion. Vengence would be just one of the thoughts that past through their minds, I expect. Let’s face it, though: in today’s environment of political correctness, the myth of the honorable and noble Indian has not only metastasized, but has got to the point where any challenge to it is considered nothing short of a social crime. Indians were brutal, cruel, and blood-thirsty people — from OUR standpoint. But that was their culture, and they knew nothing else. They saw that as the norm. They thought we were evil incarnate for plowing the land, as they saw that as the literal rape and violation of Mother Earth, which they saw as a living, breathing thing that provided them with all they needed in life. That’s why clashes of civilizations are so devestating: There is no common ground.
This is complicated! I am of the opinion everything I’ve ever heard that Custer did was bad, despicable, and often cowardly. Oh, yes, add “arrogant.” However, it sounds like he was at least on the right track here. I’m inclined to say this one is a toss-up, but then again, Custer was there...h’mmm.
Governor Flyingman,
Winners write history. Losers endure it.
Settle for your casino money and call it even.
****They thought we were evil incarnate for plowing the land, as they saw that as the literal rape and violation of Mother Earth, which they saw as a living, breathing thing that provided them with all they needed in life. ****
This may sound strange to some but during the Nez Pierce war one of the tribal shamans agitated for war because the Whites made the ground bring forth more crops than it would naormally.
A case of "Follow the money"?
I detest the term Native Ametican referring to only Indians. Before the Hippy Movement of the 60s they were called Indians, Aboriginal Americans or Native Aborigines. Everyone else born in the USA was a Native American. Some time between the late 1950s and now the Indians hijacked the term Native American and everyone else afraid of being politically incorrect just let them.
“I always find it amusing that apologists for the Indians routinely omit from any discussion about the Indian Wars just what happened to white captives who were unfortunate enough to survive an Indian attack.”
We could always study the memoirs of the POWs released after the battle of the “Little Big Horn”. (sarc)
The indian wars were indeed often savage. Both sides took and gave no quarter. The Whites won because if superior numbers and better organization.
The Comanches were probably the fiercest fighters among all the Indian nations. Wonderful horsemen, they were the best light cavalry in the field for many years. Finally they were beaten when Sherman designed a winter campaign that caughtt them in their winter camp and took their horses. But for a half century they dominated the South Plains.
I was scared for a minute—I thought Oklahoma had actually elected a Native American governor—this is just a nominal “governor” of Native American tribes: Just another guy probably doing what he thinks needs to be done to corner another Guilty White Man Casino deal for himself and his “tribe”: another late-blooming scam and con-artist/
Both sides took and gave no quarter. The Whites won because if superior numbers and better organization.”
That isn’t true at all, the American soldier took care to limit death, they took care of their POWS, and protected women and children as best they could, they fought like demons, and then immediately switched gears to protector and provider.
The American soldier was usually out numbered and fighting on the enemies territory, facing worst than death if they were taken alive.
A hundred and fifty years ago the American soldier faced the cruelest enemy our people have ever seen, a hostile press that promoted the enemy, an indifferent public (except for the civilians in the region), and believe it or not a hostile congress.
The Indian wars were a great credit to the American soldier.
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I agree with your statements about Sand Creek. Indians had white hostages (two boys) and goods from settlements in their village. They WERE guilty. They weren’t innocent, peaceful people as we say today.
However, Chivington fire the cannon and openly said that he wanted scalps (his troops took 100 of them). The legitimate attack turned into a bloodbath.
But the attack itself was legitimate.
“That isn’t true at all, the American soldier took care to limit death, they took care of their POWS, and protected women and children as best they could, they fought like demons, and then immediately switched gears to protector and provider.”
Yes, you’re right. The massacres were done by militias, civilians with weapons who had been attacked by Indians in Colorado or Wyoming. Revenge isn’t a good thing in combat, something civilians don’t understand.
One exception: Wounded Knee, with Little Big Horn in mind, the US soldiers just lost their minds after the Indians fired at us (an other treacherous attacks by Big Foot’s Ghost Dancers)
Reading the title one would get the impression that it meant the state Governor was Native American. Reading past the title reveals that it is not so. I have just appointed myself President of all Irish Americans living in Arizona. The state shall be known from this day forward as Bogtrotterland....all bow before me.
Bogtrotterland, too difficult for the name of a state ! :-)
They couldn’t find the pancakes?
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