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Native American Governor wants to rename a battlefield - typical revisionism by ethnic minorities
Washita ^

Posted on 05/25/2007 4:30:11 PM PDT by drzz

Governor Darrell Flyingman of the Cheyenne and Arapaho Tribes of Oklahoma put things in realistic perspective when he arose to speak. He talked about the thousands of acres of land either ceded or stolen by hook and crook from the people of his nation over the years (in Oklahoma). He said, "I consider this to be a site of a massacre (Washita battlefield, OH) and not a battlefield as it is named and I will do everything within my power to see that the site is renamed as the Washita Massacre rather than Battlefield. Gov. Flyingman said that he felt great sorrow for the friends and family members of the massacre at Virginia Tech, but he was sad the television reporters kept referring to this tragedy as the worst massacre in American history. "The massacre of American Indians at Washita, Sand Creek and Wounded Knee were just as horrible and many more died at each massacre site as what happened at Virginia Tech, but I suppose the fact that it was 'just Indians' being slaughtered meant that it was not a part of American history," he said.

Source : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tim-giago/honoring-those-who-died-a_b_46519.html

Typical rewriting of history by Native Americans. For those who haven't watched the videos about what really happened at Washita, see the link.

Your history is threatened by the blame-America-first crowd.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: 1868; aim; americanindians; arapaho; cheyenne; cheyennes; custer; disbandthetribes; ethnic; history; indians; indianswars; indianwars; legacy; native; nativeamericans; washita
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1 posted on 05/25/2007 4:30:12 PM PDT by drzz
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To: drzz

probably was a massacre, I think it should be changed, and I’m not part of the AIM group But it was a sad chapter of history. Maybe they will let some of the places massacres took place of settlers build a monument as well?


2 posted on 05/25/2007 4:35:37 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: rovenstinez

It wasn’t a massacre at all.

Historian Jerome Greene wrote a book about the encounter in 2004, for the National Park Service. He concluded: “Soldiers evidently took measures to protect the women and children.” (Washita 1868, Norman, University of Oklahoma Press, p. 189.)


3 posted on 05/25/2007 4:38:05 PM PDT by drzz
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To: drzz

Why is there a graphic of a red dude wearing bunny ears?


4 posted on 05/25/2007 4:38:43 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: rovenstinez

“Maybe they will let some of the places massacres took place of settlers build a monument as well?”

You’re dreaming. They invent false massacres (every attack by the army is condemned) and hide what they’ve done. Bad bad whites, that’s their credo.


5 posted on 05/25/2007 4:39:15 PM PDT by drzz
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To: drzz

I think he’s full of Washita, if you know what I mean.


6 posted on 05/25/2007 4:40:09 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Liberal when I married her.)
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To: Redcloak

Two fingers. Communist-like sticker.

The AIM was the Black Panthers. They abducted and murdered two FBI agents in 1970 (to remember the real massacre of Wounded Knee) and, now, they are making a cultural war to blame America first, to bash the US military, to whitewash what the tribes did and to ask for “cultural centers” and millions of “sorry” by the US citizens.

It’s called ethnic minority lobbying.


7 posted on 05/25/2007 4:41:18 PM PDT by drzz
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To: drzz
Wasn't this the massacre (battle?)that Custer brought the band to and had it play Garry Owen as it attacked the village in the a.m.? Most of the casualties were women, children and old men? Some battle.
8 posted on 05/25/2007 4:42:31 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Time to get your election bumper sticker ready. "Impeach Hillary 09".)
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To: Tanniker Smith

I think I do... :-)


9 posted on 05/25/2007 4:42:45 PM PDT by drzz
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To: Bringbackthedraft

In fact, this is Little Big Man, not the actual event.

Little Big Man was an anti-US movie to condemn “US atrocities” and so on in Vietnam. Custer’s battle was totally changed.

Real casualties : 120 warriors and 13 warchiefs killed, 30 civilians killed, 23 US soldiers.

But, of course, some people said that the Cheyennes were peaceful, that warriors were women etc. Just like they say that Iraqis are old men when they blow up a Humwee.


10 posted on 05/25/2007 4:46:34 PM PDT by drzz
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THE BATTLE OF THE WASHITA Gregory F. Michno, ENCYCLOPEDIA of Indian Wars 1850-1890, from pages 226-227 Washita River on 12 November, 11 companies of the 7th Cavalry under Lt. Col. George A. Custer, 3 companies of the 3rd Infantry, 1 of the 5th Infantry, 1 of the 38th Infantry, and about 450 wagons set out from Fort Dodgefor Indian territory to seek out hostile Indians. Across a snow-covered landscape Custer followed Indian trails to a 50-lodge Cheyenne village on the banks of the Washita River. Early on the frigid morning of 27 November, nearly 700 men of the 7th Cavalryprepared to attack. To the tune of "Garry Owen", Custer charged into the village with his four battalions: Maj. Joel Elliot with Companies G, H and M came in from the northeast; Capt. William Thompson with Companies B and F, from the south; Lt. John M. Johnson with E and I attacked from the southwest; and Custer with A, C, D and K, from the west. The troops burst into the village, cutting down the Indians as they fled their lodges. The soldiers were also hit: one captain was killed by a bullet in the chest, and another was severely wounded in the abdomen. Maj. Elliot cut loose with 18 men of various companies to chase some Indianswho had escaped to the east, reportedly calling out, "Here goes for a brevet or a coffin". Elliot was cut off and his party killed. During the battle, the Cheyennes killed two of four white captives. It is uncertain whether Custer was able to rescue the other two. After soldiers killed Chiefs Black Kettle and Little Rock, Custer captured the camp, burned tipis and supplies, and shot 875 Indian ponies. As more Indians gathered from other camps downriver, Custer made a feint downstream, sending them back to protect their villages. Doubling back in the gathering darkness, Custer returned to his supply train and headed home, reaching Camp supply on 1 December. Custer captured 53 women and children during the mission and reported 103 Indians killed, though the Cheyennes claimed it was half that number. The army lost 21, with 16 wounded. Indian prisoners told Interpreter Dick Curtis that 13 of their warchiefs had been killed.
11 posted on 05/25/2007 4:51:07 PM PDT by drzz
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To: rovenstinez
Just like the Japanese have never apologized for any of the many atrocities of WW II, yet, want us to apologize for dropping the A bomb on them, the United States Government, to apologize for any of their screw ups, like massacres, is like pulling teeth. Why can’t they just say, Yes, we did that and we know it was wrong and we are sorry about it. At Sand Creek, some of the troopers cut out the women’s vagina's and made hat bands out of them. Come on, as an Indian myself, I don’t want the country back but I hate all the Indian bashing and a lot of it here on FR. The only recourse we have it to take all your money at one of our Casinos. And even there, where we are successful, we get a bashing. I guess we should have stayed drunk and in the gutter to make some people happy.
12 posted on 05/25/2007 4:55:19 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: fish hawk

Hey, Sand Creek is a true massacre.

Washita is NOT. That’s the difference.

It’s not Indian-bashing if I point out that some Native Americans actually wants to rewrite history in the NA favor.


13 posted on 05/25/2007 4:58:49 PM PDT by drzz
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To: drzz
Let me just say as an Indian, that AIM is a bad outfit. They are the Al Queda of the Indian movement. A bunch of bad ass radicals that are not liked by many of their own people. Of course if they read this they would call me an “Apple”, red on the outside but white on the inside. By the way, Leonard Pelteir is in prison for life for the death of those two FBI agents.
14 posted on 05/25/2007 4:59:34 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: drzz

So, will the battle of bull-run become cow-walking?


15 posted on 05/25/2007 5:03:13 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

The CW battlefield have an enormous problem of survival, and now Indian battlefield become the center of Native American revisionism. Bad days for US history.


16 posted on 05/25/2007 5:16:42 PM PDT by drzz
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To: fish hawk

Peltier is depicted as an angel by all the leftists of the planet. I don’t know the whole affair, but it’s suspect. If the leftists love him, he should have been a real asshole.

Someone told me that Indians said : “The AIM is assholes with mocassins”


17 posted on 05/25/2007 5:18:11 PM PDT by drzz
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To: fish hawk

“Of course if they read this they would call me an “Apple”, red on the outside but white on the inside”

hehehe and who’s the worm ?


18 posted on 05/25/2007 5:18:52 PM PDT by drzz
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To: Old Professer

“probably was a massacre”

“It was not a massacre”

This clearly shows the problems with “multicuralism”. For the most part things of this nature are a matter of perspective. Just like the more recent attempts to make Christopher Columbus out to be some sort of evil genocidal land grabber.

Can’t wait to see how much our history changes as we march forward with our massive immigration policy. Let’s face it America sucks, is an evil empire and “whitey”, the white man or the Anglos are the scourge of the earth. At least that is what our history will show in about another 50 years or so.


19 posted on 05/25/2007 5:19:33 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

You’re right.

At Washita, the Cheyennes came back into camp after having massacred hundreds of White civilians, and when the army eventually attacked their base, they said: it’s our village, how dare can you attack our homes ?

It’s like the Talibans or the Palestinians hiding themselves in churches, mosques or homes and then complaining about being attacked.


20 posted on 05/25/2007 5:22:06 PM PDT by drzz
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To: drzz

“As long as the wind blow...grass grow....and the sky is blue”


21 posted on 05/25/2007 5:24:29 PM PDT by LetsRok
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Study the unvarnished history. Read the accounts of the day. Different story than you hear in today’s P.C. world.


22 posted on 05/25/2007 5:26:59 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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It’s over and past. Let it lie.
If I go to the back of my great uncle’s bible, brought over on the Godspeed to the Jamestown Settlement in 1607, I can follow my family’s history recorded in the back to about the 1890s. There is one entry in the mid-1700s that reads “John, Betty and 3 daughters murdered by Chickasaw Indians.” That was well over 200 years ago. It’s over done and part of history. My sister is even married to a member of the Creek Nation. People were killed on both sides. It was a bad thing, but it’s over. The only people who want to live in the past are the Mullahs and Clerics of Islam who long for the 7th century.


23 posted on 05/25/2007 5:28:49 PM PDT by BuffaloJack
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Washita battlefield, OH

You mean Washita Battlefield, Okla.

24 posted on 05/25/2007 5:33:43 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: drzz

Changing history and historical sites is wrong and always comes with the agenda of a money grab.


25 posted on 05/25/2007 5:34:16 PM PDT by afnamvet (It is what it is)
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To: Fiji Hill

Yep, sorry. I am European.

http://www.custerwest.org


26 posted on 05/25/2007 5:43:42 PM PDT by drzz
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To: afnamvet

Exactly. And it’s worse for Washita : the national site was created in 1993 !

It’s all new. But the Na want to change history in their way.


27 posted on 05/25/2007 5:44:39 PM PDT by drzz
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Well,, I have watch Indians talk on TV about the white man taking over their land,, as they sit on couches in beautiful homes in living rooms full of modern electronics, wearing jeans, shirts and shoes. How far back do we go? Why stop at a hundred years ago,, or two hundred,, why not back to the beginning of recorded history??? I say it is time to now rectify every wrong that can be traced back to the beginning of time, if possible. Western civilization should now step up and begin to trace back to the very fist recorded act of slavery,, the very first recorded offense, and slowly move forward while keeping score! It is time to set right every offense, every theft of land, every act of slavery or wrong of any kind,,, and let the chips fall where they may. Every war should be scrutinized,, whether brought on by Americans against Spain,, or one small Indian tribe against another! Certainly all people, whether Native American,, African American, this American or that American,, every person,, from every western nation,, would be ready to finally make it all right!!


28 posted on 05/25/2007 5:50:55 PM PDT by freemike
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***Hey, Sand Creek is a true massacre.***

You might want to read the book MASSACRES OF THE MOUNTAINS BY DUNN before you say something like that. Fresh white scalps, a blanket fringed with the hair of white women, ect. were all found at Sand Creek.


29 posted on 05/25/2007 5:57:05 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: drzz

Ah, yes. The Washita. Custer went into Kansas and found burnt out farms and thanks to a fallen snow followed the tracks of the raiders back to the Washita where he attacked. In the camp there was found articles taken from the burnt out homes of farmers and a white captive boy. When the soldiers tried to save him the “squaw” who had him disimbowelled him with a knife. Such friendly Indians.


30 posted on 05/25/2007 6:02:10 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: drzz

“They abducted and murdered two FBI agents in 1970 (to remember the real massacre of Wounded Knee).”

Wasn’t that the incident that Leonard Peltier was convicted for? Also, wasn’t Ward Churchill involved in it as well? It might be my imagination but I think I smell him in this.


31 posted on 05/25/2007 6:03:33 PM PDT by VR-21
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I always find it amusing that apologists for the Indians routinely omit from any discussion about the Indian Wars just what happened to white captives who were unfortunate enough to survive an Indian attack. The “Noble Red Man” is a myth, conjured up by Eastern do-gooders who wouldn’t have known an Indian if one had bit them on the ass. A good case in point is James Fenimore Cooper and Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. Their “chivalric warriors” and “dusky maidens of the forest” are laughable when contrasted with the real thing. Indian tribes slaughtered one another with recckless abandon way before the “white man” ever stepped foot on the North American continent. The Indian tribes practiced slavery way before and even after slavery had run its course in America (capturing members of other tribes for torture and slavery was common practice; occasionally, in a spasm of compassion, a captive was adopted into the tribe to replace a member who had died). All one need do is read the accounts of the few white captives wsho survived or who were rescued from their captivity to see that the Noble Red Man was not only a myth, but an insulting one, at that. Sand Creek was bad, no doubt about it. However, I wonder what any average American’s thoughts would be if they came home to find their families, especially their wives and children, butchered in a most heinous fashion. Vengence would be just one of the thoughts that past through their minds, I expect. Let’s face it, though: in today’s environment of political correctness, the myth of the honorable and noble Indian has not only metastasized, but has got to the point where any challenge to it is considered nothing short of a social crime. Indians were brutal, cruel, and blood-thirsty people — from OUR standpoint. But that was their culture, and they knew nothing else. They saw that as the norm. They thought we were evil incarnate for plowing the land, as they saw that as the literal rape and violation of Mother Earth, which they saw as a living, breathing thing that provided them with all they needed in life. That’s why clashes of civilizations are so devestating: There is no common ground.


32 posted on 05/25/2007 6:08:11 PM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

This is complicated! I am of the opinion everything I’ve ever heard that Custer did was bad, despicable, and often cowardly. Oh, yes, add “arrogant.” However, it sounds like he was at least on the right track here. I’m inclined to say this one is a toss-up, but then again, Custer was there...h’mmm.


33 posted on 05/25/2007 6:16:23 PM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (Patriotism to DemocRats is like sunlight to Dracula.)
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To: drzz

Governor Flyingman,

Winners write history. Losers endure it.
Settle for your casino money and call it even.


34 posted on 05/25/2007 6:23:27 PM PDT by MadJack ("Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet." (Afghan proverb))
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To: ought-six

****They thought we were evil incarnate for plowing the land, as they saw that as the literal rape and violation of Mother Earth, which they saw as a living, breathing thing that provided them with all they needed in life. ****

This may sound strange to some but during the Nez Pierce war one of the tribal shamans agitated for war because the Whites made the ground bring forth more crops than it would naormally.


35 posted on 05/25/2007 6:24:32 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: drzz
They abducted and murdered two FBI agents in 1970 (to remember the real massacre of Wounded Knee) and, now, they are making a cultural war to blame America first, to bash the US military, to whitewash what the tribes did and to ask for “cultural centers” and millions of “sorry” by the US citizens.

A case of "Follow the money"?

36 posted on 05/25/2007 6:29:58 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: drzz

I detest the term Native Ametican referring to only Indians. Before the Hippy Movement of the 60s they were called Indians, Aboriginal Americans or Native Aborigines. Everyone else born in the USA was a Native American. Some time between the late 1950s and now the Indians hijacked the term Native American and everyone else afraid of being politically incorrect just let them.


37 posted on 05/25/2007 6:45:03 PM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: drzz
For a blog that deals with American Indian issues from a conservative point of view, surf over to Bad Eagle. By the way, I enjoy reading Le Blog DRZZ.
38 posted on 05/25/2007 7:19:49 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Bringbackthedraft
"Wasn't this the massacre (battle?)that Custer brought the band to and had it play Garry Owen as it attacked the village in the a.m.?"


39 posted on 05/25/2007 7:58:35 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Would you vote for President a guy who married his cousin? Me, neither. Accept no RINOs. Fred in '08)
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To: ought-six

“I always find it amusing that apologists for the Indians routinely omit from any discussion about the Indian Wars just what happened to white captives who were unfortunate enough to survive an Indian attack.”

We could always study the memoirs of the POWs released after the battle of the “Little Big Horn”. (sarc)


40 posted on 05/25/2007 8:42:32 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: rovenstinez

The indian wars were indeed often savage. Both sides took and gave no quarter. The Whites won because if superior numbers and better organization.


41 posted on 05/25/2007 8:48:48 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: drzz

The Comanches were probably the fiercest fighters among all the Indian nations. Wonderful horsemen, they were the best light cavalry in the field for many years. Finally they were beaten when Sherman designed a winter campaign that caughtt them in their winter camp and took their horses. But for a half century they dominated the South Plains.


42 posted on 05/25/2007 8:52:25 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: drzz

I was scared for a minute—I thought Oklahoma had actually elected a Native American governor—this is just a nominal “governor” of Native American tribes: Just another guy probably doing what he thinks needs to be done to corner another Guilty White Man Casino deal for himself and his “tribe”: another late-blooming scam and con-artist/


43 posted on 05/25/2007 8:56:30 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: fish hawk
I am Fish Hawk (Tsiek w Tsek in my native language) I am from the Yurok Tribe on the Klamath River in N.Calif.

I spent a good bit of time in the 60s hiking, hunting, fishing and canoeing east and SE of your neck of the woods. Along the Klamath from just N of Yreka to Happy Camp. In the Marble Mountains and in and around both sides of the Yolla Bolly- Eel River wilderness.

I have great pictures but am so new that I haven't figured out how to post them here yet.

FRmail me if you like and I can help you get started. I'm no great shakes at it, though it isn't that difficult, and I occasionally include an image in my posts.


A Golden Eagle, from a Google image search. I saw my first and only one of these on the south slopes of the Yolla Bolly Mountains.
44 posted on 05/25/2007 10:11:11 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: RobbyS

Both sides took and gave no quarter. The Whites won because if superior numbers and better organization.”

That isn’t true at all, the American soldier took care to limit death, they took care of their POWS, and protected women and children as best they could, they fought like demons, and then immediately switched gears to protector and provider.

The American soldier was usually out numbered and fighting on the enemies territory, facing worst than death if they were taken alive.

A hundred and fifty years ago the American soldier faced the cruelest enemy our people have ever seen, a hostile press that promoted the enemy, an indifferent public (except for the civilians in the region), and believe it or not a hostile congress.

The Indian wars were a great credit to the American soldier.


45 posted on 05/25/2007 10:12:32 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Hello

I agree with your statements about Sand Creek. Indians had white hostages (two boys) and goods from settlements in their village. They WERE guilty. They weren’t innocent, peaceful people as we say today.

However, Chivington fire the cannon and openly said that he wanted scalps (his troops took 100 of them). The legitimate attack turned into a bloodbath.

But the attack itself was legitimate.


46 posted on 05/26/2007 4:49:38 AM PDT by drzz
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To: ansel12

“That isn’t true at all, the American soldier took care to limit death, they took care of their POWS, and protected women and children as best they could, they fought like demons, and then immediately switched gears to protector and provider.”

Yes, you’re right. The massacres were done by militias, civilians with weapons who had been attacked by Indians in Colorado or Wyoming. Revenge isn’t a good thing in combat, something civilians don’t understand.

One exception: Wounded Knee, with Little Big Horn in mind, the US soldiers just lost their minds after the Indians fired at us (an other treacherous attacks by Big Foot’s Ghost Dancers)


47 posted on 05/26/2007 4:51:48 AM PDT by drzz
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To: drzz

Reading the title one would get the impression that it meant the state Governor was Native American. Reading past the title reveals that it is not so. I have just appointed myself President of all Irish Americans living in Arizona. The state shall be known from this day forward as Bogtrotterland....all bow before me.


48 posted on 05/26/2007 5:03:09 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Bogtrotter52

Bogtrotterland, too difficult for the name of a state ! :-)


49 posted on 05/26/2007 5:15:48 AM PDT by drzz
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To: Redcloak

They couldn’t find the pancakes?


50 posted on 05/26/2007 5:20:06 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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