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Latino Fear and Loathing (Barf Alert!)
Townhall ^ | May 25, 2007 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 05/25/2007 4:43:02 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Some people just don't like Mexicans -- or anyone else from south of the border. They think Latinos are freeloaders and welfare cheats who are too lazy to learn English. They think Latinos have too many babies, and that Latino kids will dumb down our schools. They think Latinos are dirty, diseased, indolent and more prone to criminal behavior. They think Latinos are just too different from us ever to become real Americans.

No amount of hard, empirical evidence to the contrary, and no amount of reasoned argument or appeals to decency and fairness, will convince this small group of Americans -- fewer than 10 percent of the general population, at most -- otherwise. Unfortunately, among this group is a fair number of Republican members of Congress, almost all influential conservative talk radio hosts, some cable news anchors -- most prominently, Lou Dobbs -- and a handful of public policy "experts" at organizations such as the Center for Immigration Studies, the Federation for American Immigration Reform, NumbersUSA, in addition to fringe groups like the Minuteman Project.

Stripped bare, this is what the current debate on immigration reform is all about. Fear of "the other" -- of those who look or sound different, who come from poor countries with unfamiliar customs -- has been at the heart of every immigration debate this country has ever had, from the infamous Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 to the floor of the U.S. Senate this week.

What is said today of the Mexicans, Guatemalans, Salvadorans and others was once said of Germans, Swedes, the Irish, Italians, Poles, Jews and others. The only difference is that in the past, the xenophobes could speak freely, unconstrained by a veneer of political correctness. Today, they speak more cautiously, so they talk about the rule of law, national security, amnesty, whatever else they think might make their arguments less racially charged.

Where once the xenophobes could advocate forced sterilization and eugenics coupled with virtually shutting off legal immigration from "undesirable" countries, now they must be content with building walls, putting troops on the border, rounding up illegal aliens on the job and deporting them, passing local ordinances to signal their distaste for immigrants' multi-family living arrangements, and doing whatever else they can to drive these people back where they came from.

There is no chance this small group of xenophobes will succeed -- ultimately. The victories of their predecessors have been short-lived and so obviously wrong-headed we've always finally abandoned them, from modifying and then repealing the Asian exclusion acts to scrapping the nationalities quotas. But we need to quit pretending that the "No Amnesty" crowd is anything other than what it is: a tiny group of angry, frightened and prejudiced loudmouths backed by political opportunists who exploit them.

The status quo -- largely turning a blind eye toward the 12 million illegal aliens who work, pay taxes and keep their noses clean, while stepping up border enforcement and selective internal enforcement -- may not be the worst possible outcome in the current debate on immigration reform. It is the coward's way out of our current dilemma. But there are other problems with allowing the xenophobes to derail comprehensive immigration reform.

We've struggled long and hard as a nation to overcome our prejudices, enduring a Civil War and countless dead for the right to be judged by the content of our character not the color of our skin or where we came from. Our country is the greatest, freest, most powerful and optimistic nation in the history of the world -- and our people are good, decent, fair and the hardest working anywhere. That is why immigrants -- even those who look and sound different, from nearby and far away -- come here, often with only the clothes on their backs but a fire in their bellies to succeed. They make all of us richer, and by embracing and welcoming them, we make ourselves better.


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1 posted on 05/25/2007 4:43:03 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Please add “TURBO HURL ALERT” to title.


2 posted on 05/25/2007 4:45:02 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled

Oh, is BARF ALERT not GOOD ENOUGH for YOU??? :-)


3 posted on 05/25/2007 4:45:54 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Will I be suspended again for this remark?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“They think Latinos are just too different from us ever to become real Americans.”

Based on this oped I question Linda Chavez’s bona fides.

What a bunch of crapola - anyone who disagrees is a racist.

Just like anyone who disagreed with that dope Harriet Miers appointment was a woman-hater.

What a bunch of crapola. From our side no less.

Linda... Shut your piehole.


4 posted on 05/25/2007 4:45:59 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Amnesty alone didn't kill the GOP - socialism did long ago. The stench you smell now is it's corpse.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“The status quo — largely turning a blind eye toward the 12 million illegal aliens who work, pay taxes and keep their noses clean,”

Kleenex! That’s the answer!


5 posted on 05/25/2007 4:51:49 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Linda Chavez, just another ethnic pimp spewing the ‘if you oppose this bill then you are a racist’ line.

It is ironic however that she accuses her opposition of ignoring "hard, empirical evidence" and "reasoned argument or appeals to decency and fairness" in arguing for shamnesty.
6 posted on 05/25/2007 4:51:54 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead ("nothing gets figured out if you don't bother to stop and think about it", Thomas Sowell)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’m not buying. The US admits a million legal immigrants each and every year, year in and year out.

Mexico has the largest quota, ahead of every other country in the world. Two hundred thousand Mexicans immigrate legally into the US each and every year.

Is it her case that a million per year isn’t enough? On what basis? Should it be some other figure? On what basis would she arrive at this optimum number?

She doesn’t say, and neither does anyone else. The only argument she has and the only argument any of them have is that if you want the law enforced you are a racist. Never mind that the US admits more immigrants than any country on earth, no matter that the US admits more Mexicans that any country on earth, if we want them to come legally, we are racists.

Sorry, not buying it.


7 posted on 05/25/2007 4:53:13 PM PDT by marron
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ms. Chavez: since Mexico’s penalties for illegal immigrants are quite severe—including imprisonment—are they racists, too?


8 posted on 05/25/2007 4:53:18 PM PDT by whinecountry (Semper Ubi Sub Ubi)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

Her lips are moving, but Bush’s talking points are coming out.....


9 posted on 05/25/2007 4:54:00 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

We don’t like illegal invaders and line jumpers, Linda, and we especially don’t like subsidizing them in any way, shape or form. So sue us.


10 posted on 05/25/2007 5:00:52 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I was thinking a double barf alert.

Some people just can’t get their pea brains around the “illegal” side.


11 posted on 05/25/2007 5:02:28 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
They think Latinos are freeloaders and welfare cheats who are too lazy to learn English. They think Latinos have too many babies, and that Latino kids will dumb down our schools. They think Latinos are dirty, diseased, indolent and more prone to criminal behavior. They think Latinos are just too different from us ever to become real Americans.

Not all of them, but way too many. I don't think they are too different to become real Americans, a sizable portion of them right now are showing they don't want to become Americans. And some groups are wanting to take this land back as part of Mexico.

12 posted on 05/25/2007 5:05:58 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: YellowRoseofTx

When you don’t have a decent argument, just shout racist and end the debate.


13 posted on 05/25/2007 5:11:50 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Principled
Linda Chavez always seemed to me to be a fairly nice woman and I've enjoyed much of her writing. I think she's taking peoples objection to the swarms of illegals and their sense of entitlement to be here way too personally.

The "were here, get used to it" attitude combined with our governments willful neglect of the problem makes people including myself feel bitter towards them. There's nothing xenophobic about the people in this country who feel we have a right to control immigration into this country, and it's unfair for her race bait. She would do well to poke around in the La Voz de Aztlan website a bit before she starts that crap.

14 posted on 05/25/2007 5:15:34 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: VR-21

Yeah she’s out of line - major.

Welcome to Free Republic.


15 posted on 05/25/2007 5:19:06 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled

“Welcome to Free Republic.”

Muchas Gracias.


16 posted on 05/25/2007 5:22:13 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: Texas_Jarhead

Someone should ask Linda what race Hispanics are.


17 posted on 05/25/2007 5:24:11 PM PDT by alarm rider (Why should I not vote my conscience?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Jeez... what part of ILLEGAL do these people NOT understand? We have never said we are anti-immigration. People who apply, follow the rules, get their visas and then ultimately citizenship are just as American as any person born here.

And what about Michelle Malkin, as an American of Filipina extraction, she certainly has some Latino blood in her. Is Linda going to argue that she’s a racist who hates Latinos?

In fact, we need to forward this column to Michelle. I would love to hear her response to this drivel.

18 posted on 05/25/2007 5:25:54 PM PDT by Ronin (Ut iusta esse, lex noblis severus necesse est.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Obvious Ms. Chavez has yet to assimilate.


19 posted on 05/25/2007 5:27:35 PM PDT by rmlew (It's WW4 and the Left wants to negotiate with Islamists who want to kill us , for their mutual ends)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I am ashamed of Linda Chavez. She is supposed to be an intelligent woman and just because she has a Hispanic last name (I don’t know her heritage) does not excuse the stupidity of her arguments. I do not want illegal immigrants here who have more rights than I do and can get away with murder becuase they are Hispanic. That does not mean I am prejudiced or afraid of the “other”. My mother is 100% Hispanic, but she was born in Colorado as was her mother and her grandparents at least, going back before the Treaty of Guadalupe. Her paternal ancestors were all from New Mexico. I love these people and their culture, since it is a big part of me.
But the current and proposed system of amnesty is anarchy and our country cannot survive under anarchy. I wonder why I should follow or respect any laws our government passes, since those laws are for me but not for others living next door. When will most Americans realize this simple fact? Illegal immigrants are more free than we are and have more rights than the average American citizen does. This is unacceptable


20 posted on 05/25/2007 5:30:01 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Is this the Chavez who was to be a GWB Cabinet member?

And this:

There is no chance this small group of xenophobes will succeed — ultimately. The victories of their predecessors have been short-lived and so obviously wrong-headed we’ve always finally abandoned them, from modifying and then repealing the Asian exclusion acts to scrapping the nationalities quotas. But we need to quit pretending that the “No Amnesty” crowd is anything other than what it is: a tiny group of angry, frightened and prejudiced loudmouths backed by political opportunists who exploit them.

Is nonsensical at rather insulting actually, this woman is not too bright, on the level of the Chambliss staffer who called people who oppose the amnesty bill “ignorant”.

It is always instructive when a person cannot assail your facts, they attack your character, “loudmouthed and prejudiced”

Hmm unlike Ms. Chavez, traitorous isn’t included in that list, I would submit that she first needs to clean up her own sell america down the river position, before she attacks members of her own party with such slander.

Pitiful really, they are getting very very desperate aren’t they?


21 posted on 05/25/2007 5:32:42 PM PDT by padre35 (we are surrounded that simplifies things-Chesty Puller)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

You may be right in some instances but the difference here is the Democrates will keep you uneducated and dependent upon them for services, so you will be their voting block for years to come. The fact remains you are entering this country dirt poor, un educated, and unable to contribute anything at all. This I call a burden, and why should we take on a monumental task like this when some of us are struggling now to pay for programs, handouts and services we are not entitled to. I wonder how many terrorists will be applying for Z visa’s Mr Bush? you take one step forward and two steps back, I don’t get it!


22 posted on 05/25/2007 5:40:52 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: tinamina

I share your dissapointment with her. Ethnicity is a cheap and easy weapon to use in a country that’s as hysterical about it as ours is.


23 posted on 05/25/2007 5:53:17 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Odd. Many of the strongest opponents of *illegal* immigration I know are some flavor of Hispanic.


24 posted on 05/25/2007 5:59:52 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: VR-21
As far as ethnicity is concerned, my Mexican-American wife does not support amnesty. Neither does my Mexican-American father-in-law who lives in Corpus Christi but is from McAllen. My sister-in-law had a (caesarian) baby today in the McAllen hospital, but had to go in at midnight last night because the hospital has to deal with so many Mexican nationals who come across and get essentially free services at the hospital, that they process planned deliveries throughout the night. They're not too impressed with this idea.
25 posted on 05/25/2007 6:02:50 PM PDT by Timmy
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To: Texas_Jarhead
The DHSS and Census Bureau catalog what might be called "hard, empirical data" on this topic. She asked for some, so here she goes:

In the U.S., relative to whites, Hispanics are:

Don't blame me, Linda, blame the racist, restrictionist government statisticians who spew hatred and xenophobia with their tables and graphs.
26 posted on 05/25/2007 6:17:44 PM PDT by ruination
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I guess for Linda la raza trumps la patria. You're no conservative, Leenduh.
27 posted on 05/25/2007 6:17:44 PM PDT by clintonh8r (..taking down my picture of "President" Bush, Mrs. clintonh8r and me.)
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To: Timmy
I believe you Timmy, and my comment wasn't directed only at people of Mexican ancestry (like me). I will say that Mexican-Americans (God how I hate these hyphenated labels) who feel like the ones in your life do don't seem to have much of a voice in this issue do they?

My real point is the ease with which people in this country can use race (any race) to demagogue an issue. Demagogues continue to use it because it works so well.

28 posted on 05/25/2007 6:22:58 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

29 posted on 05/25/2007 6:28:06 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: mtbopfuyn

“Some people just can’t get their pea brains around the ‘illegal’ side.”

Don’t be too hard on them. It’s not their fault “illegal” isn’t in the Newspeak Dictionary.


30 posted on 05/25/2007 6:31:23 PM PDT by NavySon (Saying we went to Iraq for oil is like saying we went to Vietnam for rice.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“Fear of ‘the other’ — of those who look or sound different, who come from poor countries with unfamiliar customs — has been at the heart of every immigration debate this country has ever had...”

Yeah, that’s right...we want to stop illegal immigration because we’re xenophobes. Whoever believes that one probably also believes dems want them to be able to vote because they’re worried about “civil liberties.”


31 posted on 05/25/2007 6:38:22 PM PDT by NavySon (Saying we went to Iraq for oil is like saying we went to Vietnam for rice.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What an asshat. We are supposed to embrace law breaking criminals with a smile. If you don’t want people pouring into the states illegally then you are racist./SAR No agenda here is there?


32 posted on 05/25/2007 6:46:09 PM PDT by calex59
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

“What a bunch of crapola. From our side no less.”

She isn’t on “our side”. She never was on “our side”.


33 posted on 05/25/2007 6:53:33 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

As an American, I cannot buy property in Mexico.
As an American, I cannot protest in Mexico.
As an American, I cannot vote in Mexico. Fox even believes in a concept of dual nationality for legal Mexican immigrants to the US.

The illegal immigrants can do all of these things in Estados Unidos and declare that “they” have shown tolerance to the gringos in Aztlan.

Sort of the same double standards at work when the Saudis fund the construction of new mosques in America while no other religion than Islam is permitted back home. Jews cannot even enter Saudi Arabia and there are cities that non-muslims are forbidden to enter under penalty of death.

Change the policies of these countries and I might be more open to these concepts.


34 posted on 05/25/2007 7:02:42 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: NavySon

Some of those with “unfamiliar customs” are unfamiliar with indoor plumbing and good hygiene. And this is true of third world immigrants from all continents.

Not a wise decision to have them working in kitchens doing food prep and sanitation, especially when they have not been screened for diseases.


35 posted on 05/25/2007 7:12:26 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: Ronin

You can be “Latino” but they are ultimately concerned about which country you came from and what politics you spout today.

I saw campaign signs in a local “non-partisan” mayoral election that declared the Cuban born Republican candidate Orlando Sanchez was “anti-Hispanic” and these were placed in Mexican heritage neighborhoods by DNC brownshirts.

As Rush has pointed out some black activists’ problem with Obama, he’s not “down with the struggle” and comes from “the wrong” background (some black pastors have even spoken out against his white mother).


36 posted on 05/25/2007 7:15:45 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

We love ya Linda, but it is not about disliking brown people. It is about an orderly process and waiting your turn in line. It is about people coming in here who will embrace America, learn our language, and become part of the melting pot. That is America.


37 posted on 05/25/2007 7:26:21 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: tinamina

Well said. Thank you.


38 posted on 05/25/2007 7:43:12 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Oh, is BARF ALERT not GOOD ENOUGH for YOU??? :-)

This article is better than

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for launching lunch. Heck, I think this qualifies for the Linda Blair in The Exorcist Bile Hurl Alert!


39 posted on 05/25/2007 7:56:14 PM PDT by 50mm (la prensa dos en traducir mi línea de etiqueta al inglés)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Her memoirs on Amazon.com. Notice "Ex-liberal" on the cover. Looks like the transformation is incomplete. Only liberals trot out the race card when losing the debate. Her contact is linda@lindachavez.org for those interested in explaining to her that laws and borders matter to conservatives.


40 posted on 05/25/2007 8:20:31 PM PDT by 50mm (la prensa dos en traducir mi línea de etiqueta al inglés)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This woman used to have a lick of common sense. I guess since she lost her spot in the Bush Administration because of her illegal maid, the woman who once freely acknowledged that she couldn't speak Spanish is suddenly a "Latina" activist.

IMO, one of the biggest problems with the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" is how totally "Mexican-centric" (or "Latino-centric", if you want to muddy the waters) the proposed legislation (or what we know of it) actually is. According to the Border Patrol, and the officials in the Bush Administration, Mexican illegal immigration is A-OK. Chinese, Haitian, African, Brazilian, Eastern European and (most assuredly) Middle Eastern illegal immigration is a big old "no can do". I guess the old concept of "equal treatment under the law" goes right out the window where "OTMs" (other than Mexicans) are concerned; but, after all, equal treatment under the law was an Anglo-Saxon concept, and we can't have that.

41 posted on 05/25/2007 8:24:31 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: pawdoggie
“Chinese, Haitian, African, Brazilian, Eastern European and (most assuredly) Middle Eastern illegal immigration is a big old “no can do”. “

Actually, they’re pretty much OK with them too. Remember, catch and release (something they keep claiming they’re going to stop someday) applies to OTMs, not Mexicans.

42 posted on 05/25/2007 8:26:59 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: FredHunter08
Actually, they’re pretty much OK with them too. Remember, catch and release (something they keep claiming they’re going to stop someday) applies to OTMs, not Mexicans.

By saying "no can do", I didn't mean that the Feds actively prosecute OTMs, but they don't ignore them like they do the Mexicant's.

43 posted on 05/25/2007 8:37:49 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Hey Linda, read my tagline.
44 posted on 05/25/2007 8:58:05 PM PDT by WasDougsLamb (What part of "ILLEGAL" don't you comprehend?!)
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To: pawdoggie

“By saying “no can do”, I didn’t mean that the Feds actively prosecute OTMs, but they don’t ignore them like they do the Mexicant’s.”

I thought that was why they did the “catch and release” thing. Emphasis on “release”. Actual Mexicans, if actually apprehended, are often deported.


45 posted on 05/25/2007 9:03:28 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
this is what the current debate on immigration reform is all about. Fear of "the other" -- of those who look or sound different,

Great. More dimestore paperback sociology from a has-been.

46 posted on 05/25/2007 9:15:41 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: FredHunter08
Actually, they’re pretty much OK with them too. Remember, catch and release (something they keep claiming they’re going to stop someday) applies to OTMs, not Mexicans.

My understanding is that OTMs are not being "caught and released", whereas Mexicans are/were being allowed to go on their way (into the States). The announcements about "ending" the "catch and release" program (if I remember correctly) mainly concerned Mexicans who were issued a summons to appear in court (which was often ignored). I freely admit I could be wrong, but I know that the Bush Administration (and most of the preceding administrations since Eisenhower) has show an illegal immigrant bias in favor of Mexicans, as opposed to other nationalities.

47 posted on 05/25/2007 9:24:25 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: YellowRoseofTx
Not all of them, but way too many.

Not all of them, but the loudest ones.

48 posted on 05/26/2007 7:10:54 AM PDT by LantzALot
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“That is why immigrants — even those who look and sound different, from nearby and far away — come here, often with only the clothes on their backs but a fire in their bellies to succeed.”

It’s not about character or intentions-it’s about legality! Liberals love the letter of the law when the topic is abortion, but haven’t the slightest regard for it when it comes to illegal immigration. More Doublethink.


49 posted on 05/26/2007 9:53:41 AM PDT by Spok
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
What a bunch of crapola - anyone who disagrees is a racist.

____________________________________

Hey, there are freepers who are self-described 'patriots' who use the same leftist tactic. I wouldn't be surprised if they show up on this thread.

50 posted on 05/26/2007 10:03:23 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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