Posted on 05/26/2007 2:25:59 PM PDT by dennisw
April 13, 2007IRS Caters To Illegal ImmigrantsIllustrating a schizophrenic relationship between two major government agencies, a record number of illegal immigrants will file taxes with the Internal Revenue Service before next week’s deadline as they avoid a Homeland Security Department that supposedly strives to deport them. The bizarre contradiction among two federal agencies sends mixed messages about the U.S. Government’s seriousness in enforcing its own laws, with one agency threatening to crack down on illegal aliens and the other actually accommodating the same violators. About a decade ago the IRS created a special Individual Tax Identification Number (TIN) for “foreigners” who don’t qualify for a Social Security number but want to file taxes. The agency has so far issued 10.7 million TINs, including 1.5 million last year alone. Many illegal immigrants also use the numbers to apply for credit, open bank accounts and even buy houses. The IRS knows well that millions of illegal immigrants use TINs to file taxes annually. In fact, a few years ago the tax agency discovered 7.9 million W-2 forms with names that didn’t match a Social Security number. Not surprisingly, the majority of the forms were filed in states with large illegal immigrant populations such as Texas, California and Florida. This year tax preparers in several Border States are reporting a huge surge in the number of illegal aliens requiring tax filing services. One Phoenix Arizona company that caters to Hispanics is making a killing. The owner says that the majority of his 10,000 customers filing taxes are illegal immigrants without Social Security numbers. In Atlanta one tax preparer has seen an equally large increase in illegal immigrants filing taxes to document residency and good morale character in case U.S. lawmakers approve an amnesty bill. In Los Angeles a once-struggling tiny tax preparation office in the inner city is now booming with illegal immigrants racing to beat next week’s filing deadline. Illegal aliens across the country are openly speaking to the media about their newfound tax filings. Diggers Realm writes that illegal immigrants have learned that, since the IRS doesn’t cooperate with law enforcement and the Department of Homeland Security, they have little to fear.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if it was even higher than that. I’ve been telling people for a long time now that if they did give full amnesty to all illegals in the country, we’d all be utterly shocked at the numbers of them. I think even illegals would be shocked how many of them there are.
Hmmm... 36 Million, huh?
I always guess-timated 50 Million!
In any case, those 12 mil figures are bs, and they know it.
My 50 mil figure may still be closer to the truth—or...I may be on the low side!
Ha! Do you really think an illegal would file if he thought he might owe???
Our gubernut at work.
My guesstimated figure is around forty million. That's around forty million too many.
I have preached for years that we were closer to 40 million intruders than 12 million.
Friends won’t even spend time with me anymore over this topic. If we ride together, I am forbidden from bringing it all up.
I am about to gloat really strongly.
Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
There are some who believe that there are 12 million in California alone.
I’ve always felt at least 30 million have entered this country illegally.
I get a kick out of those who’ve been using the 12 million figure for years now.
Well, we know the pols and the MSM have about worn out the “12 Million” number. Seems like they’ve used it for too many years.
For sure. That figure has been bandied about for years. It was no doubt low when it first became the "official" pro-illegal talking point number.
“they even bother to pay taxes”
They don’t! A large percentage qualify for the EITC (earned income tax credit, a welfare program)
What’s an average EITC refund? What is it based on? Number of dependents?
Income and dependents.
BTT!
I’d rather have this issue wait till the next election. Let the next president decide.
They file to receive Earned Income tax credit funds, and not to actually PAY taxes...
A very informative thread on FR estimated between 35 and 65 million actual illegal aliens are within our borders. If this dreadful immigration bill passes, they can each bring in entire families, and they have large families!
We must keep up the calls to Washington in protest of this terrible bill.
Theodore Roosevelt’s ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.
“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American ... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag ... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language ... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
-— Theodore Roosevelt 1907
And we're STILL at 95.5% employment. Amazing.
“This report was prepared by the Subcommittee on Investigations of the House Committee on Homeland Security that is chaired by Representative Michael T. McCaul. The revelations in this report were no less than astounding and verify the worst concerns of those who have been complaining about the disastrous situation along our nation’s southwestern border. According to the report, it is estimated that anywhere from 4 million to 10 million illegal aliens entered the United States illegally in 2005.”
http://www.911fsa.org/articles/art2006oct22.html
UP TO 10 MILLION ENTERED JUST IN 2005
They file to receive Earned Income tax credit funds, and not to actually PAY taxes...
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Probably true in 90% of cases. Though some illegals want a legitimate tax history to point to for legalization purposes. Though if this bill passes they won’t need to be goody two shoes any more
"In 1996 the Internal Revenue Service created the Individual Tax Identification Number (ITIN) to enable it to collect taxes from non-resident foreign investors who earned taxable income in the United States, but who were not legal permanent residents or citizens, and thus did not qualify for a Social Security number. In an apparent attempt to increase tax revenue through increased tax compliance, the agency decided also to allow illegal immigrants to obtain ITINs, and has actively promoted their use in cooperation with immigrant advocacy groups. Although the agency maintains the numbers are to be used only for the purpose of filing an income tax return, other entities, including some state motor vehicle agencies, banks, and mortgage lenders, began accepting the ITIN in lieu of customary forms of identification, for the explicit purpose of providing services to illegal aliens, who often lack conventional identification.
"Since 1996 the IRS has issued more than 7.3 million ITINs, of which only two to three million have ever been used on a tax return. A number of experts, including the Treasury Department’s internal auditors, have raised concerns over the years about the ITIN, suggesting that the liberal ITIN issuance policy may be increasing the potential for fraud, enabling illegal immigrants to receive benefits to which they are not entitled, and creating law enforcement problems.
"The IRS has resisted pressure to cease issuing ITINs to illegal aliens, arguing that its top priority is to encourage tax compliance. This may be a result, but the practice apparently has not increased tax revenue, and so is of questionable value – in fact the IRS has issued more in tax refunds and credits than it has collected in taxes from illegal aliens.
"The Treasury Department’s auditors studied the use of ITINs in the tax year 2001.22 About 530,000 Form 1040s were filed that year by aliens not authorized to work and using ITINs. The total tax liability of these returns was $184 million, after deductions and credits on total taxes due of $495 million. More than half of the returns reported no tax liability, and $522 million in tax refunds were claimed on these returns. Typically, most of the tax collection from illegal aliens (and all taxpayers) occurs as a result of withholding by employers, not in voluntary tax filings. As one Arizona tax preparer put it, when ITIN-bearing tax filers learn that their bottom line will not be a refund, "they walk."
"More than half of the ITIN returns included W-2 forms listing someone else’s Social Security number, and one in four of the individuals failed to report other wages and compensation for which they should have paid taxes.
When we are rid of all the illegal aliens the employment will stll be 95.5%, as you say. 20 plus million aliens...we’re building and growing food and jailing, etc to accomodate them!
You are talking the equivalent of 17 states population dumped in a short time on our infrastructure, but that doesn’t seem to phase you.
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[snip] Do you realize if this AMNESTY happens we are in effect creating the equivilent of adding over 17 more states to this country? And that’s not even considering the chain migration that is in the Senate bill.
Please look at what giving amnesty to as many as 20,000,000 illegal alien foreign nationals actually represents. More than the population of 16 states and DC!
According to the 2000 census, 18,785,867 is the total populations combined of Wyoming, Dist. of Columbia, Vermont, Alaska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Delaware, Montana, Rhode Island, Hawaii, New Hampshire, Maine, Idaho, Nebraska, West Virginia, New Mexico and Nevada.
THINK about that.
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/states/population.shtml
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Basically what we’re talking about is building infrastructure on demand for the population of at LEAST 17 STATES!
You know all those jobs everyone keeps saying only aliens will do? We wouldn’t need to supply the JOBS if we didn’t have the ALIENS! It’s them we’re building schools, houses, clinics, Mosques, MEXICAN consulates on and on for. And there is about enough of them working agriculture to produce some of the food they eat.
Any one who says 20 plus million people is not a drain on your resources is hopelessly corrupt! But it won’t be only 20 million, it will result in 80 million if other amnesties show us anything.
I believe the economy would suffer without the cirulation of the illegal aliens' disposable income.
Small businesses are the backbone of our economy and that's not just a cliche. My goodness...Montgomery County Maryland....one of the most affluent ...percapita, would turn into that HBO town Deadwood. God forbid.
Even the people employed in the examples you cited above would lose their jobs and their homes...if the illegal disappeared.
Wouldn't they?
BTTT
12 million, what a joke, they've been using that for 4 years. Bears-Sterns estimate of 20 million was 2 years ago.
Mexico admits to 550,000 MEXICANS coming in last year alone. Add to that the 2.5 million legal entries we allow per year with the various visas, asylums, etc.
I live in So Cal and that's about right...
Many of the California illegals were not counted in the last census, and it was estimated then at 8 million.
There are at least 12 million in Cali alone. (Yes, I’ve been unbanned.)
I do hope you don't mind if I ping from your post, then...?
Welcome back Travis
A big ole BTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:)
It's really good to see you back posting again! :o)
I am damned glad to see you again.
Hey, wecome back abroad, Travis!
Welcome back!
Thanks. What a year it’s been, on the illegal invasion front.
Thanks everybody.
T. McGee!! WELCOME BACK!!
probably every penny they paid in too. If not more than they paid in.
they are lying to us. They know where they are, they just don’t have the need to get them deported.
I’ve been saying for the last couple of years the number is more like 30 million. I’ve read articles that say there are ghost towns and towns in Mexico with only very old and very young left. Their population has vacated and come up here to make a living. Siphoning off the US currency. Of course at taxpayers cost.
Travis, it is wild statements like this that more than likely were the cause of your shunning here. I too, once thought the government estimate was a trifle on the light side. However, I checked with Karl Rove who informs me that the government estimate of the number of illegal future Repoublicans in the country is quite accurate. After all, he pointed out, it is a government estimate and patriotic Americans would do well to accept it.
It turns out, that after going to the same optometrist Karl, W, and Chertoff use, I was seeing double. Maybe even triple. Try ordering new bifocals, and make sure you get the Mexican filter.
And do be a good boy in future.
What was fat Ted saying about bringing them out of the shadows?
They have become slaves and don’t even realize it.
Was/not was... and now you is. Welcome back!
Let’s say this 36 million number is true and they get legalized under the Ted Kennedy/George Bush immigration plan. Are you OK with that? Are you OK with this 36 million bringing in wives and children?
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All of the numbers from the Census Bureau are politicized - none of them can be trusted.
If The Gov't thinks it advantageous to underestimate the illegal population, then it will underestimate the illegal population
By contrast, one of the more interesting attempts to quantify the illegal presence is to count the number of duplicate FICA payments to the SSA [I believe that among the popular commentators, Neil Boortz is the one who has really been hammering home the importance of this approach].
The numbers I've heard are something like 9M duplicate payments on identical social security numbers, which would indicate AT LEAST 9M illegals in the "legitimate" economy.
I googled a little, and found this Judicial Watch article, which quotes 10M TIN's issued, and almost 8M known bad W2's:
http://www.corruptionchronicles.com/2007/04/irs_caters_to_illegal_immigran.html
Then the interesting question becomes: What percentage of illegals work in the legitimate economy, and what percentage work in the underground, cash-only economy [which makes no payments to the SSA - recall the failed Zoe Baird nomination].
Finally you ask yourself: Okay, what percentage of "illegals" are minor children? [And we'll throw their anchor babies into the pot, the legality of illegal anchor baby-ism still being largely undetermined at this point]. And that, in turn, begs the question: What percentage of adult illegals "work" in the first place? Surely some of them must stay at home to watch the kids - they can't all be in state-subsidized day care, can they?
Anyway, depending upon your assumptions, you could come up with all sorts of figures.
For instance:
1) Assume 9M adult illegals in the "legitimate" economy.
2) Assume 50% of adult illegals work the legitimate economy, and the other 50% either work the underground/cash-only economy, or else stay at home with the kids.
3) Assume a 1-1 ratio between adult illegals and their minor children.
Then that gets you to
(2 X [9M + 9M]) = 36 Million illegal aliens
which probably isn't that far off the actual number.