Posted on 05/27/2007 1:18:06 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
SUPPORT for the loopy 9/11 documentary "Loose Change" - which argues that the World Trade Center terror attack was part of a secret U.S. government conspiracy - is quickly losing steam.
A source tells us Charlie Sheen "is having second thoughts" about being involved in an updated version of the flick, which has a huge following on YouTube. As Page Six reported in March, Sheen had agreed to narrate the ridiculous flick, presumably to give it some needed Hollywood sizzle.
The conspiracy documentary got a further boost earlier this month when Virgin Atlantic announced it would offer the current, narration-free version as an in-flight movie choice. But just days later, it scrapped the idea. "After Virgin announced it, bloggers went nuts and there was so much negative feedback that [the airline] a few days later nixed it," the source said.
After we revealed Sheen's participation, the "Two and a Half Men" star told Extra: "It's a story that needs to be told. It's a story about the truth, and the truth needs to be exposed. It's not just me, not just the Hollywood community [that] is standing up saying what you have given us doesn't make sense. We just want better answers." As for Sheen now pulling his support, the star's flack, Stan Rosenfield, did not return calls over two days.
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I’m probably a minority of one, but something about Branson and his “Virgin” this and “Virgin” that turns my stomach. I don’t intentionally do business with them (yeah I can see it’s killing him...) and this bonehead idea doesn’t surprise me.
But for those who want sociopolitical commentary from a drug-addled, prostitute- and porn-addicted wife beater, I guess he's good to go.
The problem isnt science it’s politics. If Clinton was president on 9/11 no one would question anything. Do these morons question the 1 World Trade Center attack by the way ?
Didnt he ever wonder about how many people would have to be in on a plot that big.And after all this time not one of the many many people who would have to be part of the 9/11 plot can foward and confessed knowledge of what happened > What horsesh*t!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, Trump has reduced himself to nothing more than a money whore now, pretty close to being a grifter. Getting involved in wrestling pretty much ends that argument. How low will this guy go? Can you believe he`s got his kids involved now?
A few months ago I actually got a card in the mail inviting me to spend money to hear his kid (I believe it was Donald Trump Jr. who is about 25 years old) give a speech on how to make money in real estate! lol! Can you imagine having this guy as your father? The pressure on these kids must be insane. “Get out there and sell sell SELL!”
I must say though, his verbal assault on Rosie O`Donnell was classic. Only he could get away with calling a Hollywood radical leftist lesbian a “degenerate”. Anybody else would have had every gay and lesbian group in existence calling for their head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY174y5X6LE
Note that Virgin Atlantic reconsidered showing this movie after many (including yours truly) wrote them and told them they were boneheads.
Re: priceless... I concur... watching that Frankenstein with a bad haircut get OWNED was priceless (vs the Warriors this year and in last year's Finals vs the Heat).
Charlie should stick with things that he knows about, like blow, liquor and hookers and leave world affairs to people who have half a brain.
No you don’t have it right.
The leftists are wrong in immediately focusing on a government conspiracy. There are no facts that point to a conspiracy by government.
What is controversial is the manner in which WTC 7 fell. There were no airplanes flying into WTC 7. Scientific American attempted an engineering explanation but it is not perfect. There are other engineering explanations that point to a controlled demolition.
Insurers and their legal firms hired engineering firms to investigate the manner in which the WTC buildings failed. There was a large debate and argument over how the stuctures could fall as they did. They wanted to know how to contruct for the future as well and what might be done to other buildings that were insured. Insurers were worried that other high rises could fall or be attacked. Yhey want to know how to assess premiums and so on.
I know there was a great engineering argument because I happen to know an attorney that was on the claims case.
But where Sheen and others are wrong is to point to a ‘government’ conspiracy. There are no facts that I have ever seen or heard about that even hint at a government conspiracy.
Where Sheen is right is that we need an investigation into WTC 7. Much as we had an investigation for the Space Shuttle Challenger, we need a commission to investigate WTC 7, not because of any ‘conspiracy’ but because it is a mystery that has not been put into focus.
So there is an ongoing debate.
I do not recall the 9/11 Commission investigating WTC 7. In fact I am told the Commission failed to mention the total collapse of WTC 7.
Forget Rosie. She is a bad spokesperson for anything. If it were Richard Feynman (if he were still alive) saying that we need to investigate WTC 7, then many of us would be more united.
What facts do the left have? They have the same facts as the rest of us who have read up on the subject. Where they are wrong is in connecting the facts.
Here are some facts:
1. No steel-framed high-rise building has ever collapsed due to fires.
To melt steel, there has to be very high and intense heat, and it would have to be pervasive on all floors. This issue in regards to WTC 7 was addressed in an article in Scientific American but it is still speculative. They reason that the weight of one floor collapsing onto the floor underneath had a cascade effect that explains the collapse. On the other hand the collapse was very symmetric which gives creedence to a controlled demolition. Demolition engineers have seen a film of the collapse and have reviewed the engineering drawings, I am told they are skeptical of any conclusions, meaning the engineering jury is still out and may not be able to deliver a verdict.
2. There were prior to 9/11 several scheduled building evacuations in WTC 7 for hours at a time.
Those that claim there was never any time for demolition explosives to be placed without people seeing this activity are rebutted by the conspiracists that there was indeed time.
What it means to me is that a controlled demolition theory cannot be ruled out of the basis on time and opportunity. It does not mean there was any such explosives installed, it only means the explanation of ‘not enough time’ does not dismiss the conspiracy theory. It’s like an alleged murderer without an alibi, having no alibi does not mean the charged suspect is not innocent, it just means that it is harder to prove innocence without an alibi.
3. There was an abnormal amount of shorting of the stock market just prior to 9/11.
Actually there was an unusual amount of put option volume the week preceding 9/11 in UAL stock. This conspiracy theory has been pretty much put to bed but there are still some interesting leads that have not fully been vetted.
Here is a good rebuttal:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp
Snopes is sometimes a little too quick to jump to conclusions for my taste. But I happen to believe they are correct on this issue. The stock market has many strange associations generated every day. The unusual pattern of put volume in this case seems to be tied to reasonable explanations.
Besides, stock market transactions are very traceable in most every case. If Al Quaeda or anyone could find a way to make money in the market and not be traced, every mafiosi in the world would be beating a path to their doorstep.
There are many other issues that need to be vetted.
My point is that the 9/11 Commission Report was poorly crafted and researched. It was too politicized and it misled the public. For example, Sandy Berger.
So I think we should give Sheen a pass and say to him, “Ok, let’s get those questions investigated more officially” but at the sametime ask him to tone down all the conspiracy charges that have no sound basis.
Those on FR that posted that Sheen sees no further profit in associating with the film are I think correct.
Michael Moore made $55 million on ‘Fahrenheit 911’. Al Gore I believe made $60 million with his ‘An Inconvenient Truth’. I think others in Hollywood are looking for more ‘provocateur’ documentary film profits. I suspect Sheen and others were thinking they could cash in on WTC conspiracy peddling. But perhaps the public is already weary of such peddling especially as Gore’s global warming theory is crashing. So perhaps Sheen is seeing a change in the public mood for these kinds of political sensationalizing projects. He may be looking at a great backlash.
I just mostly find it funny that the same ones who call W stupid also think he masterminded some complicated plot on 9/11. Lastly as far as the shorting in the market. UAL was and still is in trouble and OBL probably made a few extra $$$ on the deal. I would if I was him. I just find it difficult to believe that the same people who give us a completely screwed up Government everyday can pull something this complicated off. Katrina anyone?
We’re not talking about the Twin Towers.
We’re talking about WTC 7.
WTC 7 is where the mystery is.
I believe WTC 7 will fall into the same category of mystery as the ‘magic bullet’ of the JFK assassination.
That’s why I think it needs to be investigated now.
That the 9/11 Commission failed to mention it is also a mystery.
FWIW I have no problem with the miracle bullet theory. When the angles are lined up correctly it is plausible.
did you read my entire last post?
Re: your tagline. Did you read Mark Furhman’s book on the assassination. I was interrupted in my reading, but up until I was... I thought he did a good job.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Cuban blamed the Mavericks playoff elimination “on the Zionists”...a lot of those Twoofers are clearly anti-Semitic.
We're talking about WTC 7.Yup; another case where the 'suspension of the laws of physics' had to take place in order for the building to fall ...
Malarkey.
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