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Sheen Rethinks Nutty 9/11 Film
New York Post ^ | May 27, 2007 | Richard Johnson

Posted on 05/27/2007 1:18:06 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

SUPPORT for the loopy 9/11 documentary "Loose Change" - which argues that the World Trade Center terror attack was part of a secret U.S. government conspiracy - is quickly losing steam.

A source tells us Charlie Sheen "is having second thoughts" about being involved in an updated version of the flick, which has a huge following on YouTube. As Page Six reported in March, Sheen had agreed to narrate the ridiculous flick, presumably to give it some needed Hollywood sizzle.

The conspiracy documentary got a further boost earlier this month when Virgin Atlantic announced it would offer the current, narration-free version as an in-flight movie choice. But just days later, it scrapped the idea. "After Virgin announced it, bloggers went nuts and there was so much negative feedback that [the airline] a few days later nixed it," the source said.

After we revealed Sheen's participation, the "Two and a Half Men" star told Extra: "It's a story that needs to be told. It's a story about the truth, and the truth needs to be exposed. It's not just me, not just the Hollywood community [that] is standing up saying what you have given us doesn't make sense. We just want better answers." As for Sheen now pulling his support, the star's flack, Stan Rosenfield, did not return calls over two days.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hoax; moonbabaiting; september11; sheen
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To: Always Right

I’m probably a minority of one, but something about Branson and his “Virgin” this and “Virgin” that turns my stomach. I don’t intentionally do business with them (yeah I can see it’s killing him...) and this bonehead idea doesn’t surprise me.


41 posted on 05/27/2007 2:41:55 PM PDT by Felis_irritable (Dirty_Felis_Irritable...)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Not everyone in Hollywood is a Truther

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I


42 posted on 05/27/2007 2:43:55 PM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
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To: Cicero
"Was his brain actually capable of having first thoughts? "

Apparently not.

But for those who want sociopolitical commentary from a drug-addled, prostitute- and porn-addicted wife beater, I guess he's good to go.

43 posted on 05/27/2007 2:47:44 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: MilesVeritatis

The problem isnt science it’s politics. If Clinton was president on 9/11 no one would question anything. Do these morons question the 1 World Trade Center attack by the way ?


44 posted on 05/27/2007 2:50:08 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: Bonaparte

Didnt he ever wonder about how many people would have to be in on a plot that big.And after all this time not one of the many many people who would have to be part of the 9/11 plot can foward and confessed knowledge of what happened > What horsesh*t!!!!!!!!!!!!


45 posted on 05/27/2007 2:58:51 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: REDWOOD99

Yeah, Trump has reduced himself to nothing more than a money whore now, pretty close to being a grifter. Getting involved in wrestling pretty much ends that argument. How low will this guy go? Can you believe he`s got his kids involved now?

A few months ago I actually got a card in the mail inviting me to spend money to hear his kid (I believe it was Donald Trump Jr. who is about 25 years old) give a speech on how to make money in real estate! lol! Can you imagine having this guy as your father? The pressure on these kids must be insane. “Get out there and sell sell SELL!”

I must say though, his verbal assault on Rosie O`Donnell was classic. Only he could get away with calling a Hollywood radical leftist lesbian a “degenerate”. Anybody else would have had every gay and lesbian group in existence calling for their head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY174y5X6LE


46 posted on 05/27/2007 3:30:12 PM PDT by Screamname (The only reason time exists is so everything doesn`t happen all at once - Albert Einstein)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Note that Virgin Atlantic reconsidered showing this movie after many (including yours truly) wrote them and told them they were boneheads.


47 posted on 05/27/2007 4:37:11 PM PDT by sgtyork (Liberalism worthy of the name emphasizes freedom of the individual, democracy and the rule of law.)
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To: REDWOOD99
Mark Cuban = douche b.

Re: priceless... I concur... watching that Frankenstein with a bad haircut get OWNED was priceless (vs the Warriors this year and in last year's Finals vs the Heat).

48 posted on 05/27/2007 4:47:36 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Charlie should stick with things that he knows about, like blow, liquor and hookers and leave world affairs to people who have half a brain.


49 posted on 05/27/2007 5:06:09 PM PDT by Libertarian444
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To: EGPWS
Charley...say goodbye to ever making another buck from me!

50 posted on 05/27/2007 5:39:05 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: mad_as_he$$; West Coast Conservative

No you don’t have it right.

The leftists are wrong in immediately focusing on a government conspiracy. There are no facts that point to a conspiracy by government.

What is controversial is the manner in which WTC 7 fell. There were no airplanes flying into WTC 7. Scientific American attempted an engineering explanation but it is not perfect. There are other engineering explanations that point to a controlled demolition.

Insurers and their legal firms hired engineering firms to investigate the manner in which the WTC buildings failed. There was a large debate and argument over how the stuctures could fall as they did. They wanted to know how to contruct for the future as well and what might be done to other buildings that were insured. Insurers were worried that other high rises could fall or be attacked. Yhey want to know how to assess premiums and so on.

I know there was a great engineering argument because I happen to know an attorney that was on the claims case.

But where Sheen and others are wrong is to point to a ‘government’ conspiracy. There are no facts that I have ever seen or heard about that even hint at a government conspiracy.

Where Sheen is right is that we need an investigation into WTC 7. Much as we had an investigation for the Space Shuttle Challenger, we need a commission to investigate WTC 7, not because of any ‘conspiracy’ but because it is a mystery that has not been put into focus.

So there is an ongoing debate.

I do not recall the 9/11 Commission investigating WTC 7. In fact I am told the Commission failed to mention the total collapse of WTC 7.

Forget Rosie. She is a bad spokesperson for anything. If it were Richard Feynman (if he were still alive) saying that we need to investigate WTC 7, then many of us would be more united.

What facts do the left have? They have the same facts as the rest of us who have read up on the subject. Where they are wrong is in connecting the facts.

Here are some facts:

1. No steel-framed high-rise building has ever collapsed due to fires.

To melt steel, there has to be very high and intense heat, and it would have to be pervasive on all floors. This issue in regards to WTC 7 was addressed in an article in Scientific American but it is still speculative. They reason that the weight of one floor collapsing onto the floor underneath had a cascade effect that explains the collapse. On the other hand the collapse was very symmetric which gives creedence to a controlled demolition. Demolition engineers have seen a film of the collapse and have reviewed the engineering drawings, I am told they are skeptical of any conclusions, meaning the engineering jury is still out and may not be able to deliver a verdict.

2. There were prior to 9/11 several scheduled building evacuations in WTC 7 for hours at a time.

Those that claim there was never any time for demolition explosives to be placed without people seeing this activity are rebutted by the conspiracists that there was indeed time.

What it means to me is that a controlled demolition theory cannot be ruled out of the basis on time and opportunity. It does not mean there was any such explosives installed, it only means the explanation of ‘not enough time’ does not dismiss the conspiracy theory. It’s like an alleged murderer without an alibi, having no alibi does not mean the charged suspect is not innocent, it just means that it is harder to prove innocence without an alibi.

3. There was an abnormal amount of shorting of the stock market just prior to 9/11.

Actually there was an unusual amount of put option volume the week preceding 9/11 in UAL stock. This conspiracy theory has been pretty much put to bed but there are still some interesting leads that have not fully been vetted.

Here is a good rebuttal:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp

Snopes is sometimes a little too quick to jump to conclusions for my taste. But I happen to believe they are correct on this issue. The stock market has many strange associations generated every day. The unusual pattern of put volume in this case seems to be tied to reasonable explanations.

Besides, stock market transactions are very traceable in most every case. If Al Quaeda or anyone could find a way to make money in the market and not be traced, every mafiosi in the world would be beating a path to their doorstep.

There are many other issues that need to be vetted.

My point is that the 9/11 Commission Report was poorly crafted and researched. It was too politicized and it misled the public. For example, Sandy Berger.

So I think we should give Sheen a pass and say to him, “Ok, let’s get those questions investigated more officially” but at the sametime ask him to tone down all the conspiracy charges that have no sound basis.

Those on FR that posted that Sheen sees no further profit in associating with the film are I think correct.

Michael Moore made $55 million on ‘Fahrenheit 911’. Al Gore I believe made $60 million with his ‘An Inconvenient Truth’. I think others in Hollywood are looking for more ‘provocateur’ documentary film profits. I suspect Sheen and others were thinking they could cash in on WTC conspiracy peddling. But perhaps the public is already weary of such peddling especially as Gore’s global warming theory is crashing. So perhaps Sheen is seeing a change in the public mood for these kinds of political sensationalizing projects. He may be looking at a great backlash.


51 posted on 05/27/2007 6:54:23 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Hostage
As a person that has worked with metal for over 40 years I can tell what happens to steel at 2,000F, it ain't pretty. At 1,000F steel loses 50% of it's strength. While no other buildings have collapsed due to steel failure, are there any that have had a few thousand gallons of kerosene poured on them? I don't know of any. The pancaking was perfectly natural to me over that large of area, considering that the fuel load was spread relatively evenly. Also, to believe controlled demo of the towers you have to believe that the "pilots" could hit in exactly the right spot for the charges to make it look good - oh and that the charges weren't destroyed in the initial crash, or the wiring damaged. Unless of course you believe the stealth missile theory with cloaking. As far as WTC7 goes, IF it was a CD then the number of people involved would be such that no secret could be kept. WTC7 could easily have been damaged to the point where it wasn't safe to work on or near it. The amount of air pressure from the towers collapse has been underestimated by many.

I just mostly find it funny that the same ones who call W stupid also think he masterminded some complicated plot on 9/11. Lastly as far as the shorting in the market. UAL was and still is in trouble and OBL probably made a few extra $$$ on the deal. I would if I was him. I just find it difficult to believe that the same people who give us a completely screwed up Government everyday can pull something this complicated off. Katrina anyone?

52 posted on 05/28/2007 6:50:40 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never insult small minded men in positions of power.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

We’re not talking about the Twin Towers.

We’re talking about WTC 7.

WTC 7 is where the mystery is.

I believe WTC 7 will fall into the same category of mystery as the ‘magic bullet’ of the JFK assassination.

That’s why I think it needs to be investigated now.

That the 9/11 Commission failed to mention it is also a mystery.


53 posted on 05/28/2007 8:33:23 AM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Hostage
I understand. There are many who think the towers were CD.

FWIW I have no problem with the miracle bullet theory. When the angles are lined up correctly it is plausible.

did you read my entire last post?

54 posted on 05/28/2007 8:54:01 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never insult small minded men in positions of power.)
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To: _Jim

Re: your tagline. Did you read Mark Furhman’s book on the assassination. I was interrupted in my reading, but up until I was... I thought he did a good job.


55 posted on 05/28/2007 9:09:06 AM PDT by carton253 (I've cried tears and stayed the same.)
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To: REDWOOD99

Wouldn’t surprise me if Cuban blamed the Mavericks playoff elimination “on the Zionists”...a lot of those Twoofers are clearly anti-Semitic.


56 posted on 05/28/2007 1:56:58 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis ("I'm not some candy-assed white liberal looking to turn you into better citizens." - Martin Querns)
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To: Hostage
We're talking about WTC 7.
Yup; another case where the 'suspension of the laws of physics' had to take place in order for the building to fall ...

Malarkey.

57 posted on 06/09/2007 8:02:53 PM PDT by _Jim (Highly recommended book on the Kennedy assassination - Posner: "Case Closed")
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