Skip to comments.Most loyal in Europe (work ethics is making Scandinavia rich)
Posted on 05/27/2007 3:21:00 PM PDT by WesternCulture
Norwegians have the highest job loyalty in Europe, and all of the Nordic countries are happy at work. The European Employee Index (EEI) survey carried out by Danish consultancy Ennova, covered 20 European nations. The EEI showed that besides being loyal, in terms of job enjoyment Norwegians were second only to Danes.
"We are part of a Nordic tradition of cooperative relations in the work place that is completely unique in an international context," said *Even Bolstad, head of HR Norway, Ennova's cooperative partner in the survey.
"The five Nordic nations are all in the top ten in all categories pertaining to quality of life and competitiveness. We thrive at home and at work, and are productive at the same time," Bolstad told management newspaper Ukeavisen Ledelse.
Bolstad told the newspaper that he believes the Nordic management style is special, both in a European and global context.
"Nordic bosses largely manage through trust and conduct, and not via learned techniques or by being authoritarian. Soft values create hard cash. It goes against all economic theory and is a management style that other countries can't make work. I meet Germans and Englishmen who shake their heads and cannot understand that it works at all," Bolstad said.
Swedish per capita income is about the same as Americans, black Americans per capita income that is. And the US does much better than that on on purchasing power basis.
- This is true. Personally, I’ve experienced the unique ‘Viking’ management culture during almost 20 years and it sure works well.
Scandinavian workers are even more reliable and productive than their German and Japanese counterparts.
“Swedish per capita income is about the same as Americans, black Americans per capita income that is. And the US does much better than that on on purchasing power basis.”´
- That was true some years ago when one dollar was worth about 11 SEK. Today, one dollar costs appr 6.83 SEK.
Average Swedish wages are way higher than those of US workers.
I recall reading articles that claimed that Norway and Sweden have very high absenteeism rates, so something doesn’t add up here.
Sounds like they have something going for them. The company I work for isn’t Nordic but it is run much the same way. We work in virtual offices and have a wide latitude to take responsibility for ourselves. There are rules of course but we schedule our own flights and make our own reservations and we are responsible for our contribution to the team. We also schedule our own training which is all paid for and we are expected to have a minimum number of hours a year on site and web based a year.
No one is looking over our shoulders and micromanagement is nonexistent. It was strange at first getting used to the idea of not being told what to do and actually having a choice. I’d always been independent minded and sometimes my forward thinking and willingness to make decisions did not always sit well with the bureaucrats I worked for but I always judged things by results and no one could ever question my results. This is the best company I’ve ever worked for and though there are gripes that can be made about anything having the sense of freedom and independence I have is invaluable.
Nope. I checked first and you are wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_capita_income#Some_national_per_capita_income_levels
Not very reproductive, however. They are not reproducing at replacement levels. Subtract the moslem births, and they are in a death spiral.
I wonder how they are going to thrive and produce when there aren't enough trustful, cooperative workers to sustain all those generous pensions and welfare benefits?
Hmm I suppose being so far North may mean they get sick more often. lol The proof is in the pudding. This could work better here if people would take more responsibility for themselves but too many look for the government to solve problems they should be solving themselves.
Maybe we should try that with government workers- har har!
People get paid good money for doing "studies" like this.
I can't make up my mind whether join a group like this or become an illegal alien in the USA.
I do think they should let more people in general work from home. It is a waste of time and just pretend having them come in to the office to do 2 hours of real work in an 8 hour day.
I think that Government would benefit from more at home workers. I wish they’d get rid of 60 percent of government managers. That would be an improvement too.
Swedish per capita income is about the same as Americans, black Americans per capita income that is. And the US does much better than that on on purchasing power basis.
But many Swedish men do manage to save enough to go on sex tourism jaunts to Thailand and related venues.
” think that Government would benefit from more at home workers”
I don’t know about that, but if they promised to stay off the roads during the time that they were “working”, the rest of us who do the actual work of the country would be able to spend less time commuting, and more time being productive.
- While this is true, it doesn’t necessarily hurt their employers much, especially not in the case of bigger companies (and many Scandinavians work for big companies contrary to, for instance, German and Italian employees).
If you call in sick and you’re away for one day or two in Sweden (where I live), you don’t receive any money from your employer or from anywhere else.
Furthermore, let’s compare two large European employers, namely Volkswagen and Volvo. Volkswagen employees recently worked a mere 28.8 hours a week (today, I think they work around 32-34 hours a week). Volvo employees are often forced to work around 50 hours a week (even though they are generously compensated for working more than the basic 40 hours). Now, let’s say an average Volvo worker is away from work 8-16 hours a month, he/she will still work more than an average VW employee. This ought to be remembered.
Scandinavians accept the fact that prosperity comes from hard work. Today, more and more continental Europeans are beginning to realize this as well.
Tell you how my former Swedish employee did it. He came to the states on an H1B visa, bought a Corvette (new), drove it for two years, went home and sold it for more than he paid for it. And no, he was a nice married guy who didn’t take the money and go to Thailand.
I’d rather they be at home doing nothing than at work doing something just to appear busy. I’ve seen so many projects born out of no need of the citizenry but simply out of the need of bureaucrats to justify spending more money and acquiring more personnel. I think DC would especially benefit from this. It isn’t hard to tell which workers are useless no matter if they are home workers or not. The only difference between a bureaucrat working at home and one working at the office is that he/she can be diligently observed wasting tax payers money. They still don’t do anything about it. Might as well save the money being wasted to lease expensive offices in DC. (Tell me why they have to lease office space in DC?)
“Nope. I checked first and you are wrong.”
- I’m talking average Swedish versus average US WAGES.
“In 2005 The median income for an individual age 25 or older in the labor force with earnings was $32,000”
The average wage, individuals BELOW the age of 25 INCLUDED, was around $39 000-40 000 in Sweden in the year of 2005.
The US GDP/capita at PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) is greater than that of Sweden, while the nominal GDP is about the same.
I claim the GDP by PPP/Capita measurement is an inadequate way of comparing US prosperity to Swedish wealth as this instrument doesn’t acknowledge the fact that Swedes get a lot of things for free that US citizens do not in the area of education, child care, health care and social security in general.
Anyone that has been to both Sweden and the US would probably admit the standard of living is very much the same.
The standard of living in Sweden is clearly higher than most other parts of Europe.
I’m married to a Swede. He’s a great multi-tasker. In fact, he takes phone calls and answers his e-mail while we’re having sex to save time, LOL!
Just kidding. (Well, his Mother DOES tend to call us at inopportune moments, but whose doesn’t?)
I think this study is slightly bogus. They might be doing fine right now, but the ‘lack-o-replacement-births’ in that part of the world is going to catch up with them quickly.
I work 60 hour weeks and run a small farm; tend animals and a large garden and orchard and STILL have time to Freep (and not ‘One Freeping Minute’ of it is at work!)
My own multi-tasking skills would put a Swede to shame. ;)
Individual freedom and individual responsibility goes hand in hand.
One of the most admired Swedish managers ever, Jan Carlzon - former president and CEO of Scandinavian Airlines System (SAS) - once said something like this:
“A person not entrusted with freedom will never act in a responsible way and a human being not expected to behave responsibly will, likewise, never act like a free individual”.
- People like you are truly worthy of admiration.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks. But I do it for the money, not the Glory, LOL!
“I cant speak about the rest of Scandinavia but Norway is rich because of oil.Period.”
- Venezuela, Iran and Libya have a lot of oil too. Why are these countries poor while Norway is not?
Per capita income is a better measure than “wages.” At least that’s what I learned in graduate level economics. Purchasing power parity (PPP) is even better than that.
- “Per capita income is a better measure than wages.
Average Swedes earn more money than average US Americans. Because of this, they drive better cars, have more living space and can afford to travel more etc, etc.
“Purchasing power parity (PPP) is even better than that.”
- GDP/Capita by PPP is a recalculation of nominal GDP/Capita. Again, this measurement does not acknowledge the fact that Swedes HAVE LESS EXPENSES THAN US AMERICANS (Swedes can use a larger percentage of their pay for sheer ‘consumption’ than US Americans). The GDP/Capita by PPP measurement make nations with comparatively low levels of taxation look rich in comparison to economies like the Scandinavian ones, basically because sales taxes are very high in the Nordic countries (around 25%). The GDP/Capita by PPP measurement fails to recognize that Scandinavians actually get something in return for paying high taxes (free university education, low cost health care and so on).
Of course, one might argue with the traditional Swedish stance on welfare and taxation issues out of ideological reasons, but this doesn’t alter basic economical facts.
Personally, I think most kind of taxes could be lowered in Sweden as our economy today is exceptionally strong. Fortunately, our present (Conservative led) government thinks so too.
what else is there to do with only 4 hours of sunlight
on dec 21st?
Simply put. Would you rather earn $50000/yr. in a place where homes cost $300,000 or $40000/yr. in a place where homes cost $200,000. That’s the difference in PPP.
on dec 21st?
- I won’t deny that, especially, November and a large part of December is a period of the year that is rather depressing here in Scandinavia.
The way we celebrate Christmas in our part of the world really compensates for this gloominess.
In this context however, what really ought to be remembered is the importance of Scandinavian Summers. During this time of year the sun actually never sets.
Nothing compares to experiencing a Swedish lake half past 3 a June/July/August morning. Nature at its best.
You are wasting your time trying to explain. Some people here believe that the US is richer/better/smarter/etc in every category than every country in the world without exception and that any data that disproves that is false.
“Simply put. Would you rather earn $50000/yr. in a place where homes cost $300,000 or $40000/yr. in a place where homes cost $200,000. Thats the difference in PPP.”
- Housing is more expensive in the US than it is in Sweden while wages are higher in the latter country.
On the other hand, things like gas and groceries are cheaper in the US.
Anyhow, let’s have a look at what kind of house an average family easily could afford in the Stockholm area (consisting of say, a car mechanic and a nurse and two children).
In Stockholm, wages are higher than in most other parts of Sweden and houses, hardly surprising, cost more. Admittedly, none of these houses has a nice kitchen, but I still deem them rather attractive.
Below, houses in the price range of $ 400 000 - 500 000 not very far from Stockholm (remember average wages are around $ 42 000-45 000 in Stockholm).
Funny you haven’t mentioned tax burden, have you? Sweden is definitely higher than the US, huh? Bottom line, right hand corner, purchasing power parity cuts through the bs. You STILL make more and keep more and can spend more in the US than in Sweden. Its a better deal overall.
“Funny you havent mentioned tax burden, have you?”
- I have.
Just look to what I wrote about sales taxes above.
Our high sales taxes is one of the major reasons why Scandinavians suffer from more of tax burdens than US Americans and they also explain why many everyday consumables are more expensive over here.
However, corporate taxes are much lower in Scandinavia and income taxes are more or less at the same level, from what I’ve understood (around 30%).
In one way it ought to be remembered here that a dollar will buy you more in the US than in Sweden, but it is also worth pointing out that an average Swedish family, apart from enjoying a high income, has very modest expenses for child care, health care and education.
Look you are giving anecdotal evidence and I am going with national economic statistics. I am sorry, but I am not going to buy unsubstantiated bits of data. The bottom line is that the average American is better off than the average Swede. Period. And what’s more, is given the difference in the growth rates between the two economies, the American standard of living is ahead of and pulling away from that of Sweden. Those are the facts homie.
“And whats more, is given the difference in the growth rates between the two economies, the American standard of living is ahead of and pulling away from that of Sweden.”
- You seem to be confusing Scandinavian/Swedish economic growth rates with those of Europe at large.
Sweden has enjoyed much healthier levels of growth than large European countries like France, Italy and Germany the last 15 years.
Presently, the Swedish GDP is growing at a pace well over 4% on an annual basis while the US economy is not.
All the same, the US economy is still looking very good despite the recent slowdown.
The world needs more Scandinavians. Why don’t you people produce more of them?
Corruption in Venezuela, Islam in Iran and Libya.
“The world needs more Scandinavians. Why dont you people produce more of them?”
- There is no excuse really.
Hopefully, a different attitude towards traditions and family issues is evolving in Scandinavia.
“Corruption in Venezuela, Islam in Iran and Libya.”
- Perhaps we can agree that Norwegians are:
1. Better businessmen
2. Better at engineering
3. Better at promoting true civilization.
Quit changing the subject. Americans make more on an absolute basis and on a purchasing power basis. The US growth rate is greater than that of the Swedish economy. Sweden’s economic situation is declining relative to Europe in general. It also turns out that the government cooks the books by grossly under reporting unemployment. http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2007/05/23/2655462.htm
“Quit changing the subject”
- You brought the subject of GDP growth rates up.
“The US growth rate is greater than that of the Swedish economy”
- How can a growth rate of 2-3% be higher than a growth rate of 4-4.5%????
Only 5 million people in the country compared to the population in those you are questioning!!!
“Only 5 million people in the country compared to the population in those you are questioning!!!”
- Libya has a population of 5.67 millions compared to the 4.69 million inhabitants of Norway. No big difference.
I’d say Norwegians are better at making the most out of their assets. Norwegians believe in education, technology and investment and they are also true patriots.
Many nations have a lot to learn from Norway.
If you more than doubled it to at least 65% you would be more correct. Then add the VAT (around 30%?). Housing in Denmark and Sweden are far higher than in the U.S.!!!
When I earned $5 500/month last year I paid a 27% income tax.
What is becoming of Scandinavia?
People aren’t listening to your arguments like I pointed out before. They are just listening to their emotions. Somehow they feel that a small country like Sweden or Norway (both with populations less than 10 million) are somehow a threat to the US model if they are somehow doing better in some economical aspect. This is silly. The US is an enormous country with many diverse economies. The economy of New Jersey with a $57K household income has little in common with the economy of Montana with a $34K household income. This doesn’t mean the Montana model is flawed with respect to a much more left leaning New Jersey. Nor does it mean that the US economy as a whole is flawed with respect to the Scandinavian countries.
“Id say Norwegians are better at making the most out of their assets. Norwegians believe in education, technology and investment and they are also true patriots.”
The oil rich nations like Saudi Arabia have and continue to squander their oil incomes, laying little groundwork for post oil economies.
After five decades of training, they still cannot engineer their oil industries, having to import technical workers, while their own countrymen sit around plotting terror.
Norway, on the other hand, will likely be well positioned for post oil competition, because as you say, they are smart and work hard.
The nordic nations do benefit from small, mostly homogenous populations, too.
Well, we only replaced ONE of us with a son...but he does the work of two. ;)
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