"Oh please let me appear to be smart in front of these military types!"
Posted on 05/28/2007 4:37:06 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
CHARLESTON, S.C. - Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani called for boosting the Army by another 35,000 troops, saying the nation must project strength and better handle the aftermath of war.
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Be careful what you post around here, people have been getting banned for their pro-Rudy sentiments. And banning people for thier position and defending it is a shame.
Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
I always felt that only honorable men should give commencement speeches at the Citadel.
There’s definitely a Speakeasy Ethos about it.
Just don’t bother: there’s a lot of time left until the first primaries.
“Be careful what you post around here, people have been getting banned for their pro-Rudy sentiments.”
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
71% of those Republicans polled in Iowa last week are unconmmitted or dissatisfied with the Rudy McRomney three-headed RINO.
That’s a VERY large vacuum left to fill.
But we’ve got a very large AND AUTHENTIC candidate to fill that 71% vacuum of dissatifaction.
Fred Dalton Thompson 2008
I caught part of this speech—very well done...and of course to a receptive audience. What surprised me is that C-SPAN aired it in prime time—interrupting their usual lineup of Democratic politicians and left-wing authors (Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and Douglas Brinkley were the other ones on last night whenever I flipped over to C-SPAN).
I bet they were "thrilled" to have a bald headed political opportunist with a speech impediment and a nervous tick (the eyes widening at odd intervals) come and speak to them. A guy that never served his country (not in any way like our military personnel, who put their lives on the line every day in training and on the battlefield) for ONE day, and, as mayor of a virtual NANNY/POLICE-state, was more interested in allowing and enabling the taking of innocent life (abortion) and RELIEVING people of their freedom and liberty (gun control).
Those men and women at the Citadel should be allowed to hear the speeches of REAL heroes and leaders, NOT posing politicians like RINO-rudy who "talks the talk", but has never "walked the walk".
Just give a resounding NO to this liberal, northeastern-corridor, BLUE-state RINO, whether it be as speaker to the latest "greatest generation", or as President of the United States.
Whining, bleating, hand-wringing, and bed-wetting with the best of them, I see.
You can always start your own site named, "RU" (RINO Underground).
They think, and for the most part they are right, that we don't see the Obama VP and the other little things that they are orchestrating for the public......but there are many who do.....
Have at it...Rudy will be a great President and will go down in history....you betcha.
"Man, I love photo ops that make me look commanding."
NY POST by CATHY BURKE April 15, 2007
For a man intent on moving into the White House, Rudy Giuliani carries a lot of baggage - but it’s his draft-dodging past that may prove the biggest drag in the campaign, prominent veterans tell New York magazine in tomorrow’s issue. Speaking about terrorism and the Iraq war last week, Giuliani boasted, “It is something I understand better than anyone else running for president.” But it was draft deferments that kept Giuliani, 62, out of Vietnam while he attended law school.
He was granted a 2-A occupational deferment for his job as a law clerk in 1969 after his boss, the late Manhattan federal Judge Lloyd MacMahon, wrote a letter to the local draft board - a move criticized years later as rare and questionable.
Law clerks were not on the 1968 list of critical jobs that qualified for occupational deferments.
When the deferment expired in 1970, Giuliani became susceptible again - but lucked out with such a high draft number that it would have been unnecessary to attempt to continue his exemption. He was never called. —SNIP—
AND GET THIS ROOTY SPIN: “Giuliani was opposed to the war in Vietnam on “strategic and tactical” grounds......” his spokesman added, although she wouldn’t offer specifics.
Yeah, sure. NOW he's againt the war (that's why Rooty got a fishy occupational deferment).
Seems the Citadel thought enough of Rudy to invite him to give the speech. Always liked the guys at the Citadel.
Did it ever occur to you that, like most colleges, the STUDENTS decide who the commencement speaker is that they want? God forbid they actually CHOSE to hear him. Can’t have that, can we?
I keep wondering when conscription will return. It will . . sooner or later.
Having the draft ‘evading’ Rooty Julie-Annie give a speech at The Citadel is like having Bill Clinton give a speech at a convent.
btw, Keep your Rudy files on a USB flash drive or something similar. I'm on a new pc now and 'lost' everything. Sheesh what a pain, I'm still setting up programs, applications and a little 'tweaking' here and there (that's why Ive been absent and sporadic :-), please put me back on your ping list).
We don't need any liberal "Trojan Horses" (in the form of liberal RINOs like RINO-rudy) undermining our party, and bringing it down any more than it has already been.
F RINO-rudy and the horse he rode in on.
Hopefully, a Republican leader, like Fred Thompson, who is 90+ percent TRUE CONSERVATIVE will run and win, rather than the likes of RINO-rudy, who is 90+ percent LIBERAL on most issues.
He did give a good speech however, Bill Clinton gives good speeches too.
Guiliani is just doing what any half way decent lawyer will do in a trial. Play the strength to the jury and play down the weakness of your case.
Guiliani is a lieberman republican. A liberal who gets the war.
I think the banning supporters thing is overblown because we still DO have Guiliani supporters here. We just don’t have the paid volunteers, the obnoxious rude people, or the left wing trolls who see Guiliani as Hillary in a Dress instead of pantsuit.
Seems the Citadel must have lowered their standards. I wonder what they paid Giussolini?
That’s your style, all right: immediately impugn ANYONE who differs with you. I stand with the fine men and women of the Citadel. Seems they have more class, and sense, than you.
So you are actually defending the Citadel’s decision to invite Rudy Giuliani to give a political speech? I just hope the graduates at the Citadel can see through his phony lies.
Excuse me, but Fred Thompson doesn’t seem to have served in the military. According to his congressional biography, Fred, like Rudy, attended college and then law school. After this, he served as an assistant U.S. attorney.
http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=T000457
Is there a reason why some people get a pass on military service, and others are castigated for it?
In my book, John McCain and Rudy Giuliani have the strongest bone fides in the national security area among the front runners; Senator McCain, most obviously, because he is a true hero of the Vietnam War, having been tortured, broken, and then - with the help of comrades - recovered his honor while still in captivity; and, Mayor Giuliani, for his heroism in the face of the attack on our nation on 9-11 and also because of his fight against corporate crime, organized crime and street crime as a U.S. Attorney and as Mayor. Rudy has been taking it to the enemies of our country, foreign and domestic, for years, including in ways that required the kind of physical courage we need at this time. I should also mention that Senator McCain has two boys in the armed services, one in the Marines and another at Annapolis.
(Among the seven other candidates, I’d mention Duncan Hunter.)
Our country is on the line, and if we fail, there is no other country can take our place. This is as true in the war on terror as it was true when we faced international communism. We need to win in this war, of which the war in Iraq is only a part, and this means that we need to win next year’s elections against the McGovernized Democratic Party. As long as we do not surrender, we will win. But, losing next year’s elections means surrendering. Then, what choices will our allies in the Middle East have but to accomodate themselves to Islamic fundamentalists? To paraphrase General Schwarzkopf, we’ve got to think tactics, strategy, economics AND politics.
I never realized that Rudy considers himself an expert at armies now. Where did he receive his military education?
Rudy is a liberal. The site doesn't promote or support liberalism.
Opposing Rudy doesn't mean we are in bed with Hillary.
Have at it...Rudy will be a great President and will go down in history....you betcha.
Rudy will drop out during the primaries, and blame "the far right" for "holding the GOP hostage." Mark my words.
Just an observation, here. Giuliani's got broad appeal to a lot of folks who don't fit the cookie-cutter conservative/liberal label. Like the military, for instance.
Rudy may be persona non grata on FR, but he'd find a warm welcome at any military gathering, as evidenced by his reception at the Citadel. He'd do just as well at Fort Bragg or Annapolis. I'd speculate as to why that is, but it may run afoul of the heresy guidelines.
I am really disgusted. Coming from a man who did all he could to keep from serving and has no American moral principle he thinks is worth standing for, I am embarrassed that our party has sunk so low as to push Rooty the way they have.
If this speaker at the Citadel would have been Duncan Hunter, I would feel proud.
Rooty has abandoned loyalty to his kids, supported abortion and Naral, backed up Nambla, has married three times, for better or worse, and supported and protected illegal immigration. He has always been a very ardent supporter of liberal causes.
The GOP has become an embarrasment to me.
I have a son in the military, a military evader is now the hero of the Beltway Republicans.
This is a very shameful candidate for the party of Ronald Reagan!
Until they discover that he avoided the draft in Vietnam and opposed that war.
Rooty's the lapdog of an elite cadre who are not Repubs----they're globalists---the globals pull the strings, and Rooty jumps.
These "Everything-For-US-Nothing-For-You global types" are control freaks and view the Repub party as a way to take total control----these disturbed individuals lust after the power to control every facet of the US government.
But the global freakazoids had one big obstacle---Repub social conservatives.
So the globals colluded in the Big Plan----to throw conservatives off the Repub party lifeboat........they instruct Rooty to bob and weave on conservative issues.
Unfortunately, the dumdums based the Big Plan on the ignorant assumption that conservatives would roll over and play dead.
Ain't happening.
The difference is, Fred is not trying to ACT and SPEAK like something he is not. He's not a consumate poser/liar, nor a domestic enemy of our Constitutional rights and freedoms like RINO-rudy.
By the way, the term "heroism", should be reserved for those who actually sacrifice and put their lives on the line for others, NOT those life-long political opportunists who are living the good life at taxpayers expense.
Something else, you rinomites/rinophiles seem to think that RINO-rudy is one of the select few that can prosecute the WOT, important to be sure, but why so important? Is it because terrorists have murdered THOUSANDS?
What about a so-called "Republican" who thinks abortion, and the killing of MILLIONS of innocents, is O.K., just like his liberal demonRAT counterparts?
RINO-rudy is NOT "America's mayor", he's no "conservative", and he's certainly no "hero".
He needs to run as a liberal demonRAT, a liberal independent, OR, he needs to pack it in (perhaps, not the best term to use for a man that is so fond of the gay agenda).
That's most of our presidential candidates, isn't it?
Oh Yeah? OH YEAH?
Well Rudy was an Airborne Ranger Captain and fought bravely in Viet Nam, AND received decorations for his combat service.
So there Wiseass.
Oh wait,...that was Duncan Hunter.
NEVERMIND!!!
Oops-——gotta watch that stuff——LOL.
How do you know that Fred Thompson is not trying to act and speak like something he is not.
I think he’s a very good actor. I mean, who’d believe that a Tennessean could be the District Attorney for New York County?
Kind of reminds me of when my brother, a professional actor, who doing some time in the Los Angeles County jail, at the same time that another person there walked out pretending he was Eddie Murphy.
Phil, I said, why didn’t you do that?
He said, Redmen4Ever, I’m white.
What should that mean, I replied, for a professional actor.
There’s a difference between political OPPORTUNISTS (read that, “scumbags”), that will say or do ANYTHING (ala RINO-rudy) to get elected and stay in power, and regular, garden-variety politicians.
I'm talking about a scumbag political opportunist willing to say, do, or act as ANYTHING to get elected.
You know...
A scumbag like RINO-rudy.
Rudy's right on.
Rudy’s a RINO. He’s made in toe mold of every New York politician. Facts or Lies, tell them whatever it takes to get elected.
The man may have come through at the 9/11 site, but that doesn’t mean he’s predidential material.
IMHO, 35,000 isn’t enough.
It’s not enough to replace what Clinton’s “peace dividend” military cuts took.
Feel better?
ping
FDR was a good war president, and he never served. He was asst. secretary of the navy under Wilson, That was because his name was Roosevelt and he was married to TR’s niece, but he came from the Democratic branch of the family.
thank you, Gideon Reader.
Back in the days of the draft, anybody who didn’t actually serve in Vietnam was suspected to be some kind of draft-dodger. The truth is, as you point out, except for a specific period of time, deferments for college and for dependents, and for many other reasons were relatively easily to obtain. Our Vice President comes to mind as somebody who did what many people of his age group did, and served his country honorably in ways other than the military. Same thing with Fred Thompson. As an assistant U.S. Attorney and in other ways, he served the country.
Rudy is more like me, in his age, than like Dick Cheney or Fred Thompson. Rudy got a college deferment and then, while he was in college, got a draft number through the lottery. It was a high number (not quite as high as my number, which was 365), and he chose not to serve in the military. But as a U.S. Attorney and in other ways he, too, served the country.
The term draft dodger should be reserved for people like Bill Clinton, who actually got a draft notice (not merely notice of a 1A classification) and then lied and pulled strings to get out of having been drafted. Many people got notice of a 1A classification and then did things like join the National Guard or join the Air Force (to at least avoid the front lines), or join ROTC (thinking the war would be over within four years), or apply for a new deferment status. These things were routine and entirely honorable, although for the guys on the front lines, it might not have seemed fair.
Being in the infantry, I remember being told that there were 14 men behind every infantryman in combat, and thinking “and who do I get behind?”
The draft lottery was a reform of the draft enacted by the Republicans because of the inequities in the former selective service system. The Democrats, who covet being in charge of the life boat and deciding who shall live and who shall die, liked the idea that the almighty government would decide who got drafted. The Republicans, who want to maximize freedom, say, if you’re going to have a draft, let it be as objective as possible. But, Republicans really prefer a voluntary military.
Nowadays, with a voluntary military, nobody would dare say that people who join the National Guard are cowards, or people who go into law enforcement are yellow-bellies.
I used to be so proud of myself, for volunteering when I had the number 365. But, by the time I got my commission, and then went through Infantry Officers Basic School at Ft. Benning, they had Vietnam’ized the war. I got sent to Ft. Hood, Texas, and not to Vietnam. There are times that I think that I had, myself, avoided service. I have no problem with Fred Thompson or Rudy Giuliani or any of the other candidates for the Republican nomination.
,...to say nothing of being severely disabled and wheelchair bound.
I have my own problems with FDR, but military service to the USA is NOT one of them.
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