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David Crockett, Charity, and Congress
http://www.theadvocates.org/library/christian-crockett.html ^

Posted on 05/28/2007 7:20:15 AM PDT by thebaron512

I was one day in the lobby of the House of Representatives when a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support, rather, as I thought, because it afforded the speakers a fine opportunity for display than from the necessity of convincing anybody, for it seemed to me that everybody favored it. The Speaker was just about to put the question, when Crockett arose. Everybody expected, of course, that he was going to make one of his characteristic speeches in support of the bill. He commenced:

(Excerpt) Read more at theadvocates.org ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: mustread; sockdologer
Interesting article I came across today.
1 posted on 05/28/2007 7:20:15 AM PDT by thebaron512
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To: thebaron512

Do a search on the internet for “sockdologer” and there are many hits. Great story, wish modern politicians were like that.


2 posted on 05/28/2007 7:25:34 AM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: thebaron512

One of my favorites. I like Horacio Bunce.


3 posted on 05/28/2007 7:25:51 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: thebaron512

A lot of libs don’t understand that the government must not be in the charity business.

When a government office funnels money to do “good deeds” you have more money bleeding off than you have getting where it’s needed. Even if you don’t like what they’re dong you can’t “opt out” of donating.

When a private charity stops doing things as they should you can stop giving them your money.


4 posted on 05/28/2007 7:26:55 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear

Whether government charity is a “good idea” is irrelevant. The states never gave that power to the federal government in the first place.
“The Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.” P.J. O’Rourke.


5 posted on 05/28/2007 7:34:59 AM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: thebaron512

Wow!! Great post. Never seen this one before.


6 posted on 05/28/2007 7:36:33 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Sorry Sir, but I must take issue with the “don’t understand” portion of your post.

Libs understand perfectly that if it were not for their ability to take money from the productive to give to the un-productive, the un-productive would not vote for them and keep them in power.

Libs need conservatives to create the wealth that they redistribute. Conservatives don’t need libs for anything.


7 posted on 05/28/2007 7:36:59 AM PDT by Philistone (Your existence as a non-believer offends the Prophet(MPBUH).)
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To: thebaron512

Man...I just finished reading it and was OVERWHELMED by the convictions of Horatio Bunce and how he was able remind Col. Davy Crockett about what the Acts of Congress could do to the Moral Fiber of the USA...as we can all see today how far Our Nation has fallen from those old times of conviction, integrity and discernemnt.


8 posted on 05/28/2007 7:39:27 AM PDT by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: Philistone
Sorry Sir, but I must take issue with the “don’t understand” portion of your post.

Libs understand perfectly that if it were not for their ability to take money from the productive to give to the un-productive, the un-productive would not vote for them and keep them in power.


I think the majority of lib-dems (especially the “progressives”) live up to the name “Useful Idiot.”

They want the government to “take care of them.” When confronted with the facts about how previous socialist/communist governments “took care of their people” they go into serious denial.

Look at how few understand that "free healthcare" is not free!

9 posted on 05/28/2007 7:49:06 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: thebaron512

I could NOT stop reading this piece. Thanks!

(Davey Crockett was one of my heroes even 50 years ago)


10 posted on 05/28/2007 7:51:05 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
All: While this story is a classic, most people think it is just that, one of Crockett's "stories" that never really occurred. (I just did a Liberty Fund Seminar in Cleveland on this very story six months ago).

Moreover, while Crockett was a great hero and, in this case (if true) had the right response, do not forget he was a Whig, he supported the Whig program, and as such he did favor helping businesses in the form of roads, harbor improvements, canals built at public expense, and so on.

11 posted on 05/28/2007 7:59:30 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: thebaron512

A few years ago, several of us went together, and got 535 copys of this story, and sent it to every member of the House, and Senate.


12 posted on 05/28/2007 8:04:25 AM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: ExcursionGuy84

Yesterday, I saw the beginning of a hearing about $10b for homeowners in NO who suffered flood damage. The coordinator testified to corruption, whereupon Mary Landrieu declared that the amount should be $30b.


13 posted on 05/28/2007 8:07:23 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: ClaireSolt
Yesterday, I saw the beginning of a hearing about $10b for homeowners in NO who suffered flood damage.

Did they also testify as to how many of them had flood insurance and what the proceeds of same were?

14 posted on 05/28/2007 8:15:16 AM PDT by Felis_irritable (Dirty_Felis_Irritable...)
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To: ExcursionGuy84

Horatio Bunce could predicted the results of Hurricane Katrina and the Federal government’s role in all of that.. Both men could turn in their graves over the of the current state of personal responsibility.


15 posted on 05/28/2007 8:22:39 AM PDT by oyez
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To: thebaron512

This has appeared on FR many times. It apparently illustrates the Conservatice ideal.


16 posted on 05/28/2007 8:29:10 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: LS
do not forget he was a Whig, he supported the Whig program, and as such he did favor helping businesses in the form of roads, harbor improvements, canals built at public expense, and so on.

Sounds just like the 'greatest' Republican of the 19th century...Just because Crockett called himself a Whig doesn't mean he was Clay's lap dog just like the 'greatest' Republican of the 19th century

17 posted on 05/28/2007 8:32:42 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears

Lessee, in his short term in Congress, Crockett voted repeatedly for canals, harbors, roads, and above all, cheap public land . . . just like the greatest AMERICAN of the 19th century, Abraham Lincoln.


18 posted on 05/28/2007 8:38:24 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: thebaron512

Powerful stuff, worthy of bookmarking and revisiting - often. I hope my Congressman and Senators like their copies, heading their way soon :) Thank you so much for posting it!


19 posted on 05/28/2007 8:42:45 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Fred Thompson in 2008 - there is no doubt about it!)
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To: ClaireSolt

Ain’t socialism great? [uber-heavy, molasses-grade sarcasm off]


20 posted on 05/28/2007 12:06:43 PM PDT by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: LS
Lessee, in his short term in Congress, Crockett voted repeatedly for canals, harbors, roads, and above all, cheap public land

Didn't say he was perfect, just that he wasn't Clay's lap dog.

Abraham Lincoln.

Course as long as he or one of his cronies got a cut in the development of said project

21 posted on 05/28/2007 12:37:27 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: thebaron512
Definitely worth reading.

It sums up my feeling that any leeway taken with constitution (even if I AGREE with it) is supremely dangerous.

It is like the newer powers given to Bush - you may like that he has supreme power, but guess what, at some point some socialist liberal will have those SAME powers, and once the precedent is set, and those powers used - we conservatives will be SCREWED!

Which is why the constitution being held to is our ONLY HOPE and PROTECTION.

We need to vote for only those politicians who hold the constitution in respect (which most DO NOT). That is our only real protection. By giving government politicians (even the ones we like) more and more power, we are also giving politicians we despise (Clnton, Obama, etc.) that same power to be used in the future against us.

If you don't think Presidential Executive Orders, the Patriot Act and other infringements of our constitutional liberties can be used against chriistians, conservatives, and other dedicated REAL patriots - you really ARE stupid. Let me say it again - If you don't think Hilary or Obama (or some future socialist) will use these new powers against us - you really ought to wake up!

Think about this very seriously.

22 posted on 05/28/2007 1:30:59 PM PDT by nyrenegade (fighting the tidal wave of socialism - and I live in New York!)
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To: Felis_irritable

Apparently, the feds accepted liability for flood losses based on their responsibility to maintqin the levees.


23 posted on 05/28/2007 4:36:59 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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