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FL lawyer says Giuliani, Romney, McCain wrong on Schiavo case
OneNewsNow ^ | 5/28/07 | Jim Brown

Posted on 05/28/2007 9:33:12 AM PDT by wagglebee

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Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, said he thought it "was a mistake" for Congress to get involved and the matter should have been left at the state level. Senator John McCain said Congress "probably acted too hastily." And former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani called the case a "family dispute."

And the end result was that an innocent woman was MURDERED and any of these candidates would allow it to happen again.

1 posted on 05/28/2007 9:33:14 AM PDT by wagglebee
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To: cgk; Coleus; cpforlife.org; narses; Mr. Silverback; 8mmMauser

Pro-Life Ping


2 posted on 05/28/2007 9:33:47 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: T'wit; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; bjs1779

Terri Ping


3 posted on 05/28/2007 9:34:37 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 05/28/2007 9:35:03 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Spiff; Reagan Man; dirtboy; Ultra Sonic 007; NapkinUser; jedward

Stop Rudy Ping


5 posted on 05/28/2007 9:39:44 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Terri was tap dancing and juggling 6 oranges when her scurrilous husband shot her in the back of the head. At least that’s what I pieced together from reading these threads.


6 posted on 05/28/2007 9:40:11 AM PDT by DManA
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To: wagglebee

I’m going to get blasted for saying this, but this should have been left at the state level. It’s unfortunate. I’m not wholly happy with how it turned out. But individual states have traditionally dealt with this issue.

I’m going to leave politics wholly out of it, as this case has a way of setting people off in all number of directions.


7 posted on 05/28/2007 9:42:18 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: DManA
Terri was tap dancing and juggling 6 oranges when her scurrilous husband shot her in the back of the head. At least that’s what I pieced together from reading these threads.

"I wouldn't want to live like that so let's kill her" PING!

8 posted on 05/28/2007 9:42:45 AM PDT by frogjerk (If ignorance was bliss, liberals would be happy.)
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To: wagglebee

Romney’s position should come as a surprise to no one.

After all, he used his executive power to implement gay marriage in Massachusetts, even though there was no law or constitutional provision that allowed him, much less compelled him, to do so.

He’s a judicial supremacist, the most dangerous breed of elected official loose in the land today.


9 posted on 05/28/2007 9:43:31 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Romney seems to be Giuliani-lite, only slicker. No thanks." - Jim Robinson)
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To: wagglebee

10 posted on 05/28/2007 9:44:32 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper (It looks like one of those days when one nuke is just not enough-- Lt. Col. Mitchell, SG-1)
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To: wagglebee
Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, said he thought it "was a mistake" for Congress to get involved

He is right that it was a political mistake, mostly in how it was executed. The GOP's chronic problem is am inability to articulate what it is doing, why it is doing it, and why it's good.

The Schiavo case was a classic example of what happens when they fail to do this: someone else (political opponents) fill in the blanks in a self serving way, and the GOP loses public confidence. Soon after, they lose political influence.

11 posted on 05/28/2007 9:44:51 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("5 Minute Penalty for #40, Ann Theresa Calvello!" - RIP 1929-2006)
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To: wagglebee
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


12 posted on 05/28/2007 9:45:22 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: CheyennePress

Should it have been left at the state level when the court was in clear violation of the Florida Constitution?

Did you support federal court involvement in the 2000 election when Florida courts violated their own Constitution?

Should state probate judges have the authority to ignore a Congressional subpoena?


13 posted on 05/28/2007 9:47:18 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
And former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani called the case a "family dispute."

Let's see if you still think it's a family dispute when one of our wives decides she wants your money instead of you. Oh, never mind.

14 posted on 05/28/2007 9:50:02 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: wagglebee

If we are going to start deciding whose daily existence is pathetic and needs his/her miserable life ended by court-ordered starvation, I have a long list of candidates.


15 posted on 05/28/2007 9:52:00 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: DManA

Don’t worry about it. Try taking a class in reading comprehension. It really helps to understand the written word.

They offer night classes for adults in our area.


16 posted on 05/28/2007 9:52:35 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: wagglebee
"And the end result was that an innocent woman was MURDERED"

Not just MURDERED It was worse than that. The poor Girl was starved to DEATH! ! ! !
We treat DOGS & CATS better than that.

17 posted on 05/28/2007 9:56:02 AM PDT by DeaconRed (If it weren't for the United States Military-There would be NO United States of America.)
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To: 8mmMauser

LMFAO!


18 posted on 05/28/2007 9:56:54 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Voter#537; All

Well, it won’t be long before we are informed that we “don’t understand” because she was “brain dead” and had repeatedly stated that she would “want” to be starved and dehydrated to death and that the fact that her husband was legally estranged from her, living with another women who had his children, is not important because it was the “loving” thing to do.


19 posted on 05/28/2007 9:59:42 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 8mmMauser

It’s just a mattter of time before the other assorted trolls show up here.


20 posted on 05/28/2007 10:00:53 AM PDT by Deo volente
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To: wagglebee

Maybe not murdered, but certainly executed, because the state was the instrument of death.


21 posted on 05/28/2007 10:02:01 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: wagglebee

Thing is, if Terri Shaivo was murdered, than it’s up to the state. The Federal government has no say over state criminal statutes.

It is possible to do the right thing in the wrong way, and that was the case in Congress involving itself in this case.

Also not helping is that in most of the nation, the laws aren’t clear in these kinds of cases.


22 posted on 05/28/2007 10:02:50 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: wagglebee
Rudy, McCain, and Romney have one disturbing characteristic in common: all three operate on the premise that they can get away with saying one thing when visiting a state (when in Florida for instance, in the Terri Schiavo case), then change their tune in such a way as to alter the public perception of their position to make it ambiguous. This is slick politics, but when it is applied to issues that are life and death, slick is deadly and the candidates show they have no deeply held pro-life values with such slickness.

I was ready to give Mitt the benefit of reconsideration with his proclamation regaridng cloning, etc reshaping his beliefs, but the more I read of this man's slick responses to pro-life issues, the more I consider his responses to be slick, not fundamental values. Slick is deceitful in the main.

23 posted on 05/28/2007 10:03:02 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: DManA

With your dead soul perspective, I’m surprised you even bother to read Terri threads. But then MN is firmly liberal.


24 posted on 05/28/2007 10:05:40 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: wagglebee

25 posted on 05/28/2007 10:05:48 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: MHGinTN

You got that right.


26 posted on 05/28/2007 10:06:33 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper (It looks like one of those days when one nuke is just not enough-- Lt. Col. Mitchell, SG-1)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Terri’s rights as a disabled person were protected under the Florida Constitution and under the American’s with Disabilities Act. The federal government has every right to involve itself when civil rights are violated.


27 posted on 05/28/2007 10:06:54 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Deo volente; 8mmMauser
It’s just a mattter of time before the other assorted trolls show up here.

I'm sure the WAckos will have fun discussing it on their new anti-FReeper site.

28 posted on 05/28/2007 10:09:02 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; frogjerk
"If the government can kill you, you have no true liberty."

If the government can force the artificial prolonging of life, based upon the religious beliefs of others, you have no true liberty.

Also, in this case the government killed no one. The closest family member decided to stop the artificial prolonging of life which had dragged on for several years.

29 posted on 05/28/2007 10:09:16 AM PDT by Semper
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To: MHGinTN
Rudy, McCain, and Romney have one disturbing characteristic in common: all three operate on the premise that they can get away with saying one thing when visiting a state (when in Florida for instance, in the Terri Schiavo case), then change their tune in such a way as to alter the public perception of their position to make it ambiguous.

It reminds me of the Clintons.

30 posted on 05/28/2007 10:09:50 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Semper
If the government can force the artificial prolonging of life, based upon the religious beliefs of others, you have no true liberty.

So, food and water are "artificial life support"?

The closest family member decided to stop the artificial prolonging of life which had dragged on for several years.

You mean the estranged and probably abusive husband who decided to starve and dehydrate Terri so he could spend Terri's money on his girlfriend and the illegitimate children they had together?

31 posted on 05/28/2007 10:12:35 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Semper

Nice try ... the ‘closest family member’ was living with and raising a child with another female yet the Florida greerghoul refused to remove the adulterous husband from control over Terri’s life. You strike me as the type who thinks that’s just peachy. Says a lot about you and nothing about the case you fail to comprehend.


32 posted on 05/28/2007 10:14:15 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: wagglebee

The whole Terri Schiavo case was surreal. The courts literally thumbed their noses at congress and didn’t allow a reprieve or review of the case..just a hasty march to killing an innocent patient like she was a convicted felon. Terri’s family was ignored and devastated too.
“Vengeance is mine, I will repay saith the Lord”. Romans 12:19b


33 posted on 05/28/2007 10:19:47 AM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: tflabo

Very true.


34 posted on 05/28/2007 10:20:36 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Semper
Also, in this case the government killed no one. The closest family member decided to stop the artificial prolonging of life which had dragged on for several years.

Actually the government helped hold Terri still so she could be killed. They helped a lot with a complicit judge and police and SWAT teams so she could die according to the judge's order.

Meanwhile, I just finished my own artificial life support, a sandwich, which included a drink of water. The LE's guarding Terri at that time did not allow her a drop, not one drop of water for that thirteen days.

Glad you brought this up. Maybe some new visitors will find out what really happened. The "closest family member" wanted her dead many years ago, just kept at it until with help from friends he could get the job done.

35 posted on 05/28/2007 10:24:10 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: CheyennePress
I’m going to get blasted for saying this, but this should have been left at the state level. It’s unfortunate. I’m not wholly happy with how it turned out. But individual states have traditionally dealt with this issue.

Hey, watch it! If such things were kept at the state level, then there might be some consistency in pro-life arguments over Roe v. Wade and there might be some hope of making abortion illegal in some states. And that might put some anti-abortion activists out of a job, so just hush!

36 posted on 05/28/2007 10:29:40 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: MHGinTN
The parents dragged things on for years, denying her rights. When that started, he was not with another woman, so it’s disingenuous to imply that was part of Mr. Schiavo’s motive for seeing her wishes carried out.
37 posted on 05/28/2007 10:31:40 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: tflabo
The courts literally thumbed their noses at congress

Did you get a picture of that? I've never seen one!

38 posted on 05/28/2007 10:32:18 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: DManA
Terri was tap dancing and juggling 6 oranges when her scurrilous husband shot her in the back of the head. At least that’s what I pieced together from reading these threads.

You forgot the part about how all these FReepers knew her better than her husband.

39 posted on 05/28/2007 10:33:03 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: wagglebee

That’s right. This woman was allowed to be murdered by the cowards of our system; not by our Constitution. They also allowed that worthless sack of you know what husband and his attorneys to get away with murder.

Remember, Michael, what goes around comes around 10 fold and I have never seen it fail.


40 posted on 05/28/2007 10:35:13 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: MHGinTN

Whether he did was living with this other person in the beginning or not does not matter. He did and still maintained control over Terri which is probably a conflict of interest. He should have relinquished control. I do have a question though, how can you expect an immoral person to make a moral decision?


41 posted on 05/28/2007 10:40:47 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: MHGinTN
You strike me as the type who thinks that’s just peachy. Says a lot about you and nothing about the case you fail to comprehend.

I comprehend that this was a difficult and controversial case, influenced by particular religious beliefs and legal opinions - both of which being not always the best way to solve a problem.

Our medical technology is developing to the point of keeping a great many brain injured, etc. patients alive for extended periods of time. The consideration here is that the cost of doing this will prevent medical care from being available to those who could use it more practically. How do you decide who rates the excessive cost of staying alive with no normal life activity and who gets healed and returns to a normal productive life. At some point that decision will have to be made. The more the government gets involved in this, the more socialized medicine will result. If this is what you want, Hillary is your candidate. Try comprehending that.

42 posted on 05/28/2007 10:41:16 AM PDT by Semper
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To: wagglebee
WAckos

ROFL

43 posted on 05/28/2007 10:41:28 AM PDT by Fudd Fan ("Of course you know this means WAR.")
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To: Fudd Fan

I don’t know what the newest anti-FReepers are calling themselves, nor do I really care, but WAckos seems appropriate.


44 posted on 05/28/2007 10:42:38 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Semper
The closest family member decided to stop the artificial prolonging of life

My mother had the same argument, and my husband agreed with it. I told them both that if the only things keeping me alive were food and water (like right now), they'd better not decide that I don't need 'em.

45 posted on 05/28/2007 10:43:08 AM PDT by Fudd Fan ("Of course you know this means WAR.")
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The parents dragged things on for years, denying her rights. When that started, he was not with another woman ... Gondring

Um, you're facts are in error. You need only check for how long the adulterous husband has known Jodie to see that you are spreading a false premise. [HINT: as soon as the monies form the court case were awarded, the sleazy husband had an 'investment' arrangement with a Jodie connected insurance/annuity program.]

Your willingness to post such a false notion is disturbing. If you don't know the fatcs, just read along without posting.

46 posted on 05/28/2007 10:43:32 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Semper; MHGinTN
Our medical technology is developing to the point of keeping a great many brain injured, etc. patients alive for extended periods of time.

I've got a newsflash for you, FOOD AND WATER IS NOT "MEDICAL TECHNOLOGY" AND WE ALL NEED IT.

47 posted on 05/28/2007 10:45:00 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I tend to agree, hence my ROFL.


48 posted on 05/28/2007 10:45:11 AM PDT by Fudd Fan ("Of course you know this means WAR.")
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To: Gondring
You forgot the part about how all these FReepers knew her better than her husband.

But that doesn't count because her husband actually went on with his life and neglected to sit by her side and grieve over her condition for years on end, expecting that any minute she would regain consciousness.

49 posted on 05/28/2007 10:46:41 AM PDT by Semper
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To: wagglebee
Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, said he thought it "was a mistake" for Congress to get involved and the matter should have been left at the state level.

I had just volunteered on the Romney for President website the day before he made these remarks. He lost my vote in the primary and my active support if he makes it to the general election. Liberals and RINO's don't comprehend the depth of this issue or it's lasting implications for the disabled and our nation, or for their own political futures.

50 posted on 05/28/2007 10:50:45 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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