Skip to comments."AN ENORMOUS CRIME" THE DEFINITIVE ACCOUNT OF AMERICAN POWS ABANDONED IN SOUTHEAST ASIA
Posted on 05/30/2007 5:12:16 AM PDT by kellynla
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Heard the Coast presentation. The link to Castro was surprising. Also, the news on the hour following the show was about the tourist resort being built at China Beach—world class. How long can they keep the POWs hidden with tourists all over the country?
“Heard the Coast presentation. The link to Castro was surprising?”
I didn’t hear the program. What was the Castro link?
Castro held some Bay of Pigs POWs back for negotiation purposes and suggested N Vietnam do the same. Nixon promised $4.75 billion to N Vietnam for reconstruction if they would turn over the POW hostages, but that fell through because of the impeachment—deal was broken (those who celebrated the impeachment probably don’t know about this part) and the hostage POWs sit wherever they are 30 years later.
Oh, okay. Thanks for the info.
I didn’t hear the radio program.
Umm, why would RR agree to cover up something like this?
vile Slander against our vice president.
Have you read the book, and examined all the evidence?
I am merely telling what the book and the radio interview included. If it turns out to be slander, the writers and publishers can be held accountable. Menwhile, why haven't our government leaders addressed these mountains of evidence? Why did they feel the need to shred documents that would have proven the whereabouts of the missing POWs?
I'm as patriotic as anyone else, but government officials should never lie to us, no matter what label of their party.
I don’t need to read it to know it’s a lie.
These guy's lie to the sheeple all the time..and justify it their minds.
"It's for the good of the country"
"The people cannot understand the truth"
"We cannot have the people lose confidence in their government"
"We can't let the people know their CIC is a rapist"
"I can't go forward with this info, or my F.B.I. file will be made public."
I question the timing of this. Most of the people they accuse are dead. McCain and Kerry are irrelavant. The only one that matters is Dick Cheney, and that’s who they’re after. Make no mistake, this is just another attack on the Administration.
Actually it is an indictment of John Kerry and John McCain more than anyone. They were given the evidence for their hearings, and the investigator was fired for doing his job too well. I understand Kerry’s cousin did get a sweetheart business deal from Vietnam, however.
But I heard they were accusing Cheney of being involved in it when he was Defense Secretary.
“The only one that matters is Dick Cheney?”
Excuse me! But the ones “who really matter” are the
UNACCOUNTED FOR POW’S & MIA’S and their families!
Dick Cheney didn’t even serve in the military much less go to Nam.
Now it is time for the Bush administration & Congress to step up and DEMAND that Communist Viet Nam come forward with a FULL ACCOUNTING of these men OR normal trade relations will cease.
Cheney allowed the evidence suppressed. So did Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton and GWB. Cheney was Defense Secretary when the hearings were being held, and McCain and Kerry were destroying documents. So yes, the buck did go up the chain to the Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney. All he needs to do is explain.
It’s a true national disgrace.
I doubt he did. Most likely the heritage members of the Alger Hess club toropedoed anyone that could get the info and push it that high. We know the CIA and State dept are off the reservation.
Your "Congressmen" have abandoned you as well. Do you really think that they are concerned about this?
couldn’t care less who you are with...
I don’t even own a white flag and I will continue to make public this issue.
what needs to be done is for EVERYONE to contact their representatives and DEMAND a FULL ACCOUNTING OF THESE POW’S & MIA’S and NOW!
A different approach might have more success. Think about it.
Have a nice day.
Thats a mighty big assumption on your part.
POW/MIA Update: April 13, 2007
AMERICAN ANNOUNCED AS ACCOUNTED FOR THIS WEEK: There are now 1,786 US personnel listed as missing and unaccounted for by the Department of Defense. The identification of the remains of one American previously KIA/BNR from the Vietnam War was released on April 11th. LT Michael R. Newell, USN, from Ellenville, NY, was reported killed in action on December 14, 1966, in an F8E on a mission over North Vietnam. His remains were repatriated August 15, 2005, identified November 27, 2006, and his name was released April 11th. The accounting for LT Newell brings to 797 the number of US personnel accounted for since the end of the Vietnam War in 1975. Over 90% of the 1,787 still listed as missing were lost in Vietnam or in areas of Laos and Cambodia under Vietnams wartime control.
U.S. NAVY SHIP NOT PARTICIPATING IN UNDERWATER OPERATIONS: After more than a decade of consistent League efforts, reinforced by former Commanders of the US Pacific Command, Vietnams leaders approved using US Navy vessels just before the Presidents visit last November. The detailed process required for approval is reportedly still being worked, but was not completed in time for the underwater survey/investigation now ongoing. This US Navy asset was not required for the current operations or even most shallow-water recoveries, but commitment from both governments to support the process was a significant and welcome policy change by Vietnams leadership. The League was pleased that ADM Gary Roughead, Commander of the US Pacific Fleet, raised the issue during his January visit to Vietnam as part of the improving military-to-military relationship, as did Ambassador Charles Ray, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense (DASD) for POW/MIA Affairs. Comment: Despite high level emphasis and agreement, including during Deputy Prime Minister/Foreign Minister Khiems recent visit to Washington and talks with Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon England, Vietnams bureaucracy was reportedly unable to move quickly enough to implement the high level agreement, at least on the POW/MIA accounting agenda. Perhaps by the time Vietnams President Triet visits Washington in early summer bureaucratic hurdles will have been removed.
MEMBERS OF HOUSE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE VISIT VIETNAM: A delegation of US House Members, led by Representative Solomon Ortiz (D-TX), Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee’s Subcommittee on Readiness, visited Vietnam April 5-7th. Reportedly, the delegation discussed matters relating to bilateral relations, the search for Americans Missing in Action (MIA), economy and trade.” The delegation also met with the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Commands Detachment II in Hanoi and counterpart officials in the External Relations Committee of Vietnams National Assembly. During the meetings, the Vietnamese were positive concerning recent development of bilateral relations with the US, including improved military to military relations. This was the first delegation to Vietnam from the new Democratic-led 110th Congress, and its House Armed Services Committee.
UPDATE ON OPERATIONS: The 98th period of Joint Field Activities (JFA) in Laos, the second 30-day JFA this year, took place March 6th to April 8th. Two members from the League-organized POW/MIA family delegation visited incident sites in Northeastern Laos on March 23rd. Semi-annual POW/MIA consultations were conducted in between the two JFAs; the Lao reportedly responded with flexibility to US requests, urging expanded efforts to build on successes and a review of the past several years cooperation.
On March 21st, two family members visited one area of the 88th JFA in Vietnam that began March 8th and is scheduled to conclude about April 21st. Such operations in Vietnam are on a much larger scale and for a longer period of time (45 days) than in Laos or Cambodia. The underwater survey/investigation team, comprised of US members from JPAC and the Navys Mobile Diving Salvage Unit #1 (MDSU#1) began work this week along the coast of North Vietnam and plan to conclude in early May, though as noted above, without participation by the USN ship.
There is widespread disappointment DPMO, JPAC and the League in responses to the US Government-funded archival research programs, especially with Vietnam. This program has been ongoing for several years, but archival records known to exist have not yet been provided, thus the continued calls for unilateral actions by Hanoi, including by President Bush last November. It is hoped bilateral talks with each of the Indochina governments that will occur over the summer will focus on renewing viable multilateral archival cooperation, among other presumed initiatives.
TANKS for the ping,,,Some day the whole truth will be known
to all the people in the US,,,gunna be hell to pay...
Lord, I bring before you now our soldiers who have been captured, and ask that You would uphold them with Your right hand.Be their rock in the midst of uncertainty and their light in the midst of darkness. Guard their hearts from fear and strengthen them according to Your Word. Cause them Lord, to lie down and sleep in peace for You alone are their safety.
Surround them Lord with Your favor as a shield. Soften the hearts of those who watch over them and cause them to show compassion and mercy. Keep the hearts of our soldiers filled with hope, and guard them from despair.Be near to them Lord, for Your nearness is their good, and bring them back safely to their families. In Jesus mighty name, Amen.
Psalm 27:5-6 "For in the day of trouble he will keep me safe in his dwelling; he will hide me in the shelter of his tabernacle and set me high upon a rock. Then my head will be exalted above the enemies who surround me; at his tabernacle will I sacrifice with shouts of joy; I will sing and make music to the Lord."
I hope I am behind a politician on Judgement Day so the Lord will be so tired he will just say “Come on in”. Most of these politician bastards are going to answer for a lot.
I am not going to very popular here on FreeRepublic when I say this. I am sure that there may have been some isolated incidents of some POW’s left behind but I don’t think there were that many. I think most of the sightings after the war were American deserters.
I was in Saigon when the cease fire was signed and immediately hundreds of deserters were lined up in the streets of Saigon trying to get on American installations. I saw the front of the line and could not see the back of the line.
The vast majority of Americans left there, were these people. When the communists took over two years later, they got what they deserved.
“The vast majority of Americans left there, were these people?”
I have neither the time or the inclination to educate you on the hundreds of unaccounted for POW’s & MIA’s in Southeast Asia. The 700 I’m talking about were P O W’s...not deserters! Many of whom were fliers who crashed in North Viet Nam...not Saigon. I’ll just direct your attention to the picture posted on post 2 which was taken in 1988 in Laos. And suggest you read the book reference in this thread.
Finally, as I have repeatedly said, Viet Nam should have been required to account for ALL POW’s before being given normal trade relations with the USA!
Here is a list of 324 who were shot down, for whom there are reasonable indications that they reached the ground alive and in reasonably good condition.
What happened to them?
POW Prayer Bump. Amen. God bless them, and their families.
I cannot express the anguish I feel for these true heroes, and their families, and the anger I feel toward those in our gov’t who are responsible for not doing all in their power to fight for them as they fought for us.
I’m hearing a lot about respect, and compassion, these days. How about showing a little respect and compassion for these American heroes, and their families?!
I am sure we are both right. All I can tell you is what I personally saw.
I suspect most of them were killed shortly after they were captured, especially in Laos.
I hope you are right about those who were left behind.
See also post 35. I had not read this before I made my post. I am sure some men were captured but killed shortly afterwards if they were in the hands of local units.
Read “Five Years to Freedom” by James Rowe sometime.
I’ve never much cared for McCain, but his sellout of the POW/MIA’s and their families with john kerry was the last straw for me.
In my opinion, neither will see the inside of the White House except as guests.
Yes, I agree....men who I knew that did cross-border recon held little hope if they were captured....the Pathet Lao were particularly ruthless....it was felt that a man had a better chance if he were in the hands of a regular NVA unit....the political officers attatched to those formations saw value in American prisoners.
When John Kerrys Courage Went M.I.A.
Senator covered up evidence of P.O.W.s left behind
February 24th, 2004
Senator John Kerry, a decorated battle veteran, was courageous as a navy lieutenant in the Vietnam War. But he was not so courageous more than two decades later, when he covered up voluminous evidence that a significant number of live American prisonersperhaps hundredswere never acknowledged or returned after the war-ending treaty was signed in January 1973.
The Massachusetts senator, now seeking the presidency, carried out this subterfuge a little over a decade ago shredding documents, suppressing testimony, and sanitizing the committees final reportwhen he was chairman of the Senate Select Committee on P.O.W./ M.I.A. Affairs.
Over the years, an abundance of evidence had come to light that the North Vietnamese, while returning 591 U.S. prisoners of war after the treaty signing, had held back many others as future bargaining chips for the $4 billion or more in war reparations that the Nixon administration had pledged. Hanoi didnt trust Washington to fulfill its pro-mise without pressure. Similarly, Washington didnt trust Hanoi to return all the prisoners and carry out all the treaty provisions. The mistrust on both sides was merited. Hanoi held back prisoners and the U.S. provided no reconstruction funds.
What we have here folks is a General of the Vietnamese Army made a report to the Vietnamese Central Committee, a closed session of that Committe and he was reporting on, in part, the fact that in September, 1972 the Vietnamese were holding 1,205 Americans as Prisoner of War. As we know only 591 came home.
I am reading this extremely interesting old topic in Sam Neua, in Laos, the capital of the province where that USA Walking K sign was photographed in 1988. It took me ten hours of rough, uncomfortable travel to reach here today, and the whole journey was over jungle-clad mountains, with only one road in and out.
We might have passed only twenty villages en route. It is that remote.
It is possibly the most remote place I have ever been to, and it is close to the border with North Vietnam.
I am here doing some research into POWs/MIAs in Laos for a novel I’m writing, and just nosing around both here and down South in the tri-border area, near Attapeu.
I think it is beyond doubt that people were left behind here after 1973, and not just a handful. I have been told that many times by Laos people, who also believe the POWs were taken off to North Vietnam, and than none now remain in Laos.
Who knows, but it strikes me as an awful way to end ones’ life after fighting for your country, to be turned into an agricultural slave, to be forgotten about then quietly killed in the jungle years later.
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