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"AN ENORMOUS CRIME" THE DEFINITIVE ACCOUNT OF AMERICAN POWS ABANDONED IN SOUTHEAST ASIA
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Posted on 05/30/2007 5:12:16 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: kellynla

Heard the Coast presentation. The link to Castro was surprising. Also, the news on the hour following the show was about the tourist resort being built at China Beach—world class. How long can they keep the POWs hidden with tourists all over the country?


51 posted on 05/30/2007 8:17:13 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: RightWhale

“Heard the Coast presentation. The link to Castro was surprising?”

I didn’t hear the program. What was the Castro link?


52 posted on 05/30/2007 8:19:45 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Roselani

ping


53 posted on 05/30/2007 8:23:33 AM PDT by Mrs.Liberty (Anyone who is more afraid for his own safety over the life of an unborn child is a coward)
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To: kellynla

Castro held some Bay of Pigs POWs back for negotiation purposes and suggested N Vietnam do the same. Nixon promised $4.75 billion to N Vietnam for reconstruction if they would turn over the POW hostages, but that fell through because of the impeachment—deal was broken (those who celebrated the impeachment probably don’t know about this part) and the hostage POWs sit wherever they are 30 years later.


54 posted on 05/30/2007 8:24:40 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: RightWhale

Oh, okay. Thanks for the info.
I didn’t hear the radio program.


55 posted on 05/30/2007 8:33:32 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: 8mmMauser

bttt


56 posted on 05/30/2007 8:42:37 AM PDT by southland (Matt: 7-16)
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To: kellynla

Umm, why would RR agree to cover up something like this?


57 posted on 05/30/2007 8:49:59 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: TommyDale

vile Slander against our vice president.


58 posted on 05/30/2007 8:53:10 AM PDT by balch3
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To: balch3

Have you read the book, and examined all the evidence?


59 posted on 05/30/2007 8:55:25 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: balch3
"vile Slander against our vice president."

I am merely telling what the book and the radio interview included. If it turns out to be slander, the writers and publishers can be held accountable. Menwhile, why haven't our government leaders addressed these mountains of evidence? Why did they feel the need to shred documents that would have proven the whereabouts of the missing POWs?

I'm as patriotic as anyone else, but government officials should never lie to us, no matter what label of their party.

60 posted on 05/30/2007 9:00:05 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: TommyDale

I don’t need to read it to know it’s a lie.


61 posted on 05/30/2007 9:07:23 AM PDT by balch3
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To: balch3
"I don’t need to read it to know it’s a lie." Oh, I didn't realize you were all-powerful and all-knowing. Trust me, if you read the documents and heard the interviews, you would have some serious concerns. These people have spent years in research and have tons of documents to back up their claims. But don't believe it, we really don't care whether you believe it or not.
62 posted on 05/30/2007 9:16:33 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: TommyDale
I'm as patriotic as anyone else, but government officials should never lie to us, no matter what label of their party.

These guy's lie to the sheeple all the time..and justify it their minds.

"It's for the good of the country"

"The people cannot understand the truth"

"We cannot have the people lose confidence in their government"

"We can't let the people know their CIC is a rapist"

"I can't go forward with this info, or my F.B.I. file will be made public."

Etc....etc...

63 posted on 05/30/2007 9:20:24 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Ignore your rights, and they will go away...........................)
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To: Osage Orange

Exactly.


64 posted on 05/30/2007 9:22:24 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: TommyDale

I question the timing of this. Most of the people they accuse are dead. McCain and Kerry are irrelavant. The only one that matters is Dick Cheney, and that’s who they’re after. Make no mistake, this is just another attack on the Administration.


65 posted on 05/30/2007 9:28:17 AM PDT by balch3
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To: balch3

Actually it is an indictment of John Kerry and John McCain more than anyone. They were given the evidence for their hearings, and the investigator was fired for doing his job too well. I understand Kerry’s cousin did get a sweetheart business deal from Vietnam, however.


66 posted on 05/30/2007 9:34:43 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: TommyDale

But I heard they were accusing Cheney of being involved in it when he was Defense Secretary.


67 posted on 05/30/2007 9:37:36 AM PDT by balch3
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To: balch3

“The only one that matters is Dick Cheney?”

Excuse me! But the ones “who really matter” are the
UNACCOUNTED FOR POW’S & MIA’S and their families!

Dick Cheney didn’t even serve in the military much less go to Nam.

Now it is time for the Bush administration & Congress to step up and DEMAND that Communist Viet Nam come forward with a FULL ACCOUNTING of these men OR normal trade relations will cease.


68 posted on 05/30/2007 9:37:50 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: balch3

Cheney allowed the evidence suppressed. So did Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton and GWB. Cheney was Defense Secretary when the hearings were being held, and McCain and Kerry were destroying documents. So yes, the buck did go up the chain to the Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney. All he needs to do is explain.


69 posted on 05/30/2007 9:40:31 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: kellynla

It’s a true national disgrace.


70 posted on 05/30/2007 9:42:11 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Obadiah

bttt


71 posted on 05/30/2007 9:43:50 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: gracesdad

I doubt he did. Most likely the heritage members of the Alger Hess club toropedoed anyone that could get the info and push it that high. We know the CIA and State dept are off the reservation.


72 posted on 05/30/2007 9:44:10 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: kellynla; silverleaf
Sorry, but Im with Silverleaf on this one.

Your "Congressmen" have abandoned you as well. Do you really think that they are concerned about this?

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

73 posted on 05/30/2007 9:47:01 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: expatguy

couldn’t care less who you are with...
I don’t even own a white flag and I will continue to make public this issue.

what needs to be done is for EVERYONE to contact their representatives and DEMAND a FULL ACCOUNTING OF THESE POW’S & MIA’S and NOW!


74 posted on 05/30/2007 9:54:41 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
No need to get snotty with me FRiend, Im just saying that you might as well be pissing in the wind on this one if you are expecting the gubmint to do anything on this.

A different approach might have more success. Think about it.

Have a nice day.

75 posted on 05/30/2007 10:03:36 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: expatguy
well you may think I’m “pissing in the wind” as you so eloquently put it; but I’m doing a hellofalot more than you are to try and get these men and/or their remains returned to their families.
76 posted on 05/30/2007 10:09:11 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Thats a mighty big assumption on your part.


77 posted on 05/30/2007 10:14:28 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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POW/MIA Update: April 13, 2007

AMERICAN ANNOUNCED AS ACCOUNTED FOR THIS WEEK: There are now 1,786 US personnel listed as missing and unaccounted for by the Department of Defense. The identification of the remains of one American previously KIA/BNR from the Vietnam War was released on April 11th. LT Michael R. Newell, USN, from Ellenville, NY, was reported killed in action on December 14, 1966, in an F8E on a mission over North Vietnam. His remains were repatriated August 15, 2005, identified November 27, 2006, and his name was released April 11th. The accounting for LT Newell brings to 797 the number of US personnel accounted for since the end of the Vietnam War in 1975. Over 90% of the 1,787 still listed as missing were lost in Vietnam or in areas of Laos and Cambodia under Vietnam’s wartime control.

U.S. NAVY SHIP NOT PARTICIPATING IN UNDERWATER OPERATIONS: After more than a decade of consistent League efforts, reinforced by former Commanders of the US Pacific Command, Vietnam’s leaders approved using US Navy vessels just before the President’s visit last November. The detailed process required for approval is reportedly still being worked, but was not completed in time for the underwater survey/investigation now ongoing. This US Navy asset was not required for the current operations or even most shallow-water recoveries, but commitment from both governments to support the process was a significant and welcome policy change by Vietnam’s leadership. The League was pleased that ADM Gary Roughead, Commander of the US Pacific Fleet, raised the issue during his January visit to Vietnam as part of the improving military-to-military relationship, as did Ambassador Charles Ray, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense (DASD) for POW/MIA Affairs. Comment: Despite high level emphasis and agreement, including during Deputy Prime Minister/Foreign Minister Khiem’s recent visit to Washington and talks with Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon England, Vietnam’s bureaucracy was reportedly unable to move quickly enough to implement the high level agreement, at least on the POW/MIA accounting agenda. Perhaps by the time Vietnam’s President Triet visits Washington in early summer bureaucratic hurdles will have been removed.

MEMBERS OF HOUSE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE VISIT VIETNAM: A delegation of US House Members, led by Representative Solomon Ortiz (D-TX), Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee’s Subcommittee on Readiness, visited Vietnam April 5-7th. Reportedly, the delegation discussed matters relating to bilateral relations, the “search for Americans Missing in Action (MIA), economy and trade.” The delegation also met with the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command’s Detachment II in Hanoi and counterpart officials in the External Relations Committee of Vietnam’s National Assembly. During the meetings, the Vietnamese were positive concerning recent development of bilateral relations with the US, including improved military to military relations. This was the first delegation to Vietnam from the new Democratic-led 110th Congress, and its House Armed Services Committee.

UPDATE ON OPERATIONS: The 98th period of Joint Field Activities (JFA) in Laos, the second 30-day JFA this year, took place March 6th to April 8th. Two members from the League-organized POW/MIA family delegation visited incident sites in Northeastern Laos on March 23rd. Semi-annual POW/MIA consultations were conducted in between the two JFAs; the Lao reportedly responded with flexibility to US requests, urging expanded efforts to build on successes and a review of the past several years’ cooperation.

On March 21st, two family members visited one area of the 88th JFA in Vietnam that began March 8th and is scheduled to conclude about April 21st. Such operations in Vietnam are on a much larger scale and for a longer period of time (45 days) than in Laos or Cambodia. The underwater survey/investigation team, comprised of US members from JPAC and the Navy’s Mobile Diving Salvage Unit #1 (MDSU#1) began work this week along the coast of North Vietnam and plan to conclude in early May, though as noted above, without participation by the USN ship.

There is widespread disappointment – DPMO, JPAC and the League – in responses to the US Government-funded archival research programs, especially with Vietnam. This program has been ongoing for several years, but archival records known to exist have not yet been provided, thus the continued calls for unilateral actions by Hanoi, including by President Bush last November. It is hoped bilateral talks with each of the Indochina governments that will occur over the summer will focus on renewing viable multilateral archival cooperation, among other presumed initiatives.

http://www.pow-miafamilies.org/update.html


78 posted on 05/30/2007 10:23:42 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

TANKS for the ping,,,Some day the whole truth will be known
to all the people in the US,,,gunna be hell to pay...


79 posted on 05/30/2007 11:29:26 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 91B; HiJinx; Spiff; MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; clintonh8r; TEXOKIE; windchime; Grampa Dave; ...

Lord, I bring before you now our soldiers who have been captured, and ask that You would uphold them with Your right hand.Be their rock in the midst of uncertainty and their light in the midst of darkness. Guard their hearts from fear and strengthen them according to Your Word. Cause them Lord, to lie down and sleep in peace for You alone are their safety.

Surround them Lord with Your favor as a shield. Soften the hearts of those who watch over them and cause them to show compassion and mercy. Keep the hearts of our soldiers filled with hope, and guard them from despair.Be near to them Lord, for Your nearness is their good, and bring them back safely to their families. In Jesus mighty name, Amen.

Psalm 27:5-6 "For in the day of trouble he will keep me safe in his dwelling; he will hide me in the shelter of his tabernacle and set me high upon a rock. Then my head will be exalted above the enemies who surround me; at his tabernacle will I sacrifice with shouts of joy; I will sing and make music to the Lord."

80 posted on 05/30/2007 4:12:05 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: silverleaf

I hope I am behind a politician on Judgement Day so the Lord will be so tired he will just say “Come on in”. Most of these politician bastards are going to answer for a lot.


81 posted on 05/30/2007 4:19:03 PM PDT by unkus
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To: kellynla; All

I am not going to very popular here on FreeRepublic when I say this. I am sure that there may have been some isolated incidents of some POW’s left behind but I don’t think there were that many. I think most of the sightings after the war were American deserters.

I was in Saigon when the cease fire was signed and immediately hundreds of deserters were lined up in the streets of Saigon trying to get on American installations. I saw the front of the line and could not see the back of the line.

The vast majority of Americans left there, were these people. When the communists took over two years later, they got what they deserved.


82 posted on 05/30/2007 4:56:58 PM PDT by U S Army EOD
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To: U S Army EOD

“The vast majority of Americans left there, were these people?”

I have neither the time or the inclination to educate you on the hundreds of unaccounted for POW’s & MIA’s in Southeast Asia. The 700 I’m talking about were P O W’s...not deserters! Many of whom were fliers who crashed in North Viet Nam...not Saigon. I’ll just direct your attention to the picture posted on post 2 which was taken in 1988 in Laos. And suggest you read the book reference in this thread.

Finally, as I have repeatedly said, Viet Nam should have been required to account for ALL POW’s before being given normal trade relations with the USA!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


83 posted on 05/30/2007 5:12:46 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: U S Army EOD
There were 600 guys who disappeared in Laos and Cambodia; not a single one of them was repatriated. One former POW (Col. Ted Guy?) stated that from the time he was taken into captivity until he finally arrived in Hanoi, it was obvious he was "expected" at every stop along the way, and that there is no way every single one of those 600 could have disappeared without a trace.

Here is a list of 324 who were shot down, for whom there are reasonable indications that they reached the ground alive and in reasonably good condition.

What happened to them?

84 posted on 05/30/2007 5:21:12 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SandRat

POW Prayer Bump. Amen. God bless them, and their families.

I cannot express the anguish I feel for these true heroes, and their families, and the anger I feel toward those in our gov’t who are responsible for not doing all in their power to fight for them as they fought for us.

I’m hearing a lot about respect, and compassion, these days. How about showing a little respect and compassion for these American heroes, and their families?!


85 posted on 05/30/2007 5:27:14 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: kellynla

I am sure we are both right. All I can tell you is what I personally saw.


86 posted on 05/30/2007 5:30:34 PM PDT by U S Army EOD
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To: DuncanWaring

I suspect most of them were killed shortly after they were captured, especially in Laos.


87 posted on 05/30/2007 5:32:22 PM PDT by U S Army EOD
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To: Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi

MIAs.


88 posted on 05/30/2007 5:46:42 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: U S Army EOD

I hope you are right about those who were left behind.


89 posted on 05/30/2007 5:48:48 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: LucyJo

See also post 35. I had not read this before I made my post. I am sure some men were captured but killed shortly afterwards if they were in the hands of local units.

Read “Five Years to Freedom” by James Rowe sometime.


90 posted on 05/30/2007 5:54:09 PM PDT by U S Army EOD
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To: U S Army EOD

Thank you.


91 posted on 05/30/2007 5:56:50 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: Freee-dame
Good afternoon.
“I have disliked (to say the least) McCain ever since this sell out.”

I’ve never much cared for McCain, but his sellout of the POW/MIA’s and their families with john kerry was the last straw for me.

In my opinion, neither will see the inside of the White House except as guests.

Michael Frazier

92 posted on 05/30/2007 5:57:20 PM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender, no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: U S Army EOD

Yes, I agree....men who I knew that did cross-border recon held little hope if they were captured....the Pathet Lao were particularly ruthless....it was felt that a man had a better chance if he were in the hands of a regular NVA unit....the political officers attatched to those formations saw value in American prisoners.


93 posted on 05/30/2007 7:53:30 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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This was posted on another thread by calcowgirl

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0408,schanberg,51276,1.html

When John Kerry’s Courage Went M.I.A.
Senator covered up evidence of P.O.W.’s left behind
February 24th, 2004

Senator John Kerry, a decorated battle veteran, was courageous as a navy lieutenant in the Vietnam War. But he was not so courageous more than two decades later, when he covered up voluminous evidence that a significant number of live American prisoners—perhaps hundreds—were never acknowledged or returned after the war-ending treaty was signed in January 1973.

The Massachusetts senator, now seeking the presidency, carried out this subterfuge a little over a decade ago— shredding documents, suppressing testimony, and sanitizing the committee’s final report—when he was chairman of the Senate Select Committee on P.O.W./ M.I.A. Affairs.

Over the years, an abundance of evidence had come to light that the North Vietnamese, while returning 591 U.S. prisoners of war after the treaty signing, had held back many others as future bargaining chips for the $4 billion or more in war reparations that the Nixon administration had pledged. Hanoi didn’t trust Washington to fulfill its pro-mise without pressure. Similarly, Washington didn’t trust Hanoi to return all the prisoners and carry out all the treaty provisions. The mistrust on both sides was merited. Hanoi held back prisoners and the U.S. provided no reconstruction funds.

94 posted on 05/30/2007 8:13:28 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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The Authentication Of the Quang 1205 Document

What we have here folks is a General of the Vietnamese Army made a report to the Vietnamese Central Committee, a closed session of that Committe and he was reporting on, in part, the fact that in September, 1972 the Vietnamese were holding 1,205 Americans as Prisoner of War. As we know only 591 came home.

95 posted on 05/30/2007 8:18:55 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
http://www.eaglesnest-2.net

Look under forums:

John McCain
McCain has said again and again that he has seen no "credible" evidence that more than a tiny handful of men might have been alive in captivity after the official prison return in 1973, yet all deny any were left behind. Col. Guy was branded a loony for braking rank after he did his homework and discovered we had in fact "abandoned" live PoW's in SEA.

Hanoi John Kerry
Kerry now slides past all the radio messages, satellite photos, live sightings, and boxes of intelligence documents—all the evidence. In his comments for this piece, this candidate for the presidency said: "No nation has gone to the lengths that we did to account for their dead. None—ever in history." Of the so-called "possibility" of a "small number" of men left behind, the committee report went on to say that if this did happen, the men were not "knowingly abandoned," just "shunted aside." How do you put that on a gravestone?

PoW/MIA All Era's
Were POWs Abandoned?
by: SRO Ted Guy

Until 1990, I believed that all the POWs were released during Operation Homecoming in 1973. I maintained this belief until 1990. In fact, I gave many, many talks around the country about the POW issue. My closing remarks were always the same: "All the POWs are home that are coming home and the rest (MIAs) are dead".

You see, I firmly believed that my government would not lie to me. In early 1990, after talking to many family members of POWs and MIAs, I began having doubts. What followed was a thorough re-examination of the whole issue. The more I listened instead of talking, the more I read, then the more the odds swung towards the fact that YES, there were POWs left behind (abandoned) and YES, there was evidence that some might still be alive. Since that time I have spoken repeatedly of the need to learn the truth and my position has been published and/or quoted by the media.

Hello fellow Internet surfer and welcome to The Hanoi Hilton. I'm very glad that you made it this far . . . and I hope that you'll stick around long enough to get to know just a little bit more about the prison camps and some POW's confined within. These days, acquaintances that begin in cyberspace are often the most real, vivid, and long-lasting - and maybe that will be true of us.

I am a retired Air Force fighter jock, with over two hundred and fifty combat missions, both in Korea and Vietnam. On March 20, 1968, while on a mission in Southern Laos, I was zapped by the North Vietnamese Communists and became their guest in the various resorts in Laos and in and around Hanoi, North Vietnam. Apparently, I complained too much about the service, or lack thereof, and spent almost four of the next five years in solitary confinement. During this time, I had the honor of being the commander (Senior Ranking Officer) of those captured in South Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. In our group we had State Department employees, members of all service branches, and even two West German nurses, one of which was a lovely young lady named Monika. You must admit, this was a very unusual and diverse group, but let me say it was the finest command I ever had in my 26 years of service. We were known as "Hawk's Heros."

After your tour here visit my homepage at: Col. Ted W. Guy, 4-18-29 to 4-23-99 - Never Forgotten

http://www.soft-vision.com/we-remember
http://www.soft-vision.com/hanoi

McCain Brainwashed?
http://eagles.soft-vision.com/node/161

"Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free."

'Was John McCain Brainwashed By His North Vietnamese Captors To Destroy This Nation?' By Dave Gibson on May 22, 07

It is amazing that a combat veteran who has claimed to be a conservative Senator is now leading the fight to reward with amnesty, the millions of Mexican and Central American criminals who have invaded our nation. While the betrayal of the American people on behalf of foreign invaders by Sen. John McCain may be puzzling to most, the former POW has a history betraying his fellow citizens in favor of a foreign enemy. In light of the looming vote to turn this country into a Third World nation, the question of McCain’s true motives should be examined.

On October 26, 1967, U.S. Navy Lt. John McCain was shot down over North Vietnam by a Soviet-made surface-to-air missile. As a result of ejecting from his plane, McCain suffered two broken arms and a broken leg. He was immediately captured by an angry mob and turned over to NVA soldiers, who broke his shoulder with a rifle butt and stabbed his foot with a bayonet. He was then taken to the infamous ‘ Hanoi Hilton.’

Once in a cell, he was beaten and interrogated daily. Still being refused medical treatment and in severe pain, McCain agreed to talk in exchange for medical treatment. He was then taken to a nearby hospital. McCain described the events in his 1999 book Faith of My Fathers, in which he said: “Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate any medical treatment if I did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship’s name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant.”

Kill Political Speech

Maximizing prosperity requires sound government policies. When the government strays from these policies, citizens must be free to exercise their constitutional rights to petition and criticize those policies and the politicians responsible for them.

Nowhere is Senator McCain's record on pro-growth issues more appalling than on the important issue of protecting political speech. Senator McCain was the driving force behind the ultimate passage of the McCain-Feingold Act, a bill that imposed grossly unconstitutional restrictions on citizen participation in the political process. (Roll Call #54, 03/20/02)

Over the ten-plus years since Senator McCain first introduced campaign finance reform legislation, he has pursued his trampling of the First Amendment with a vengeance. On a April 28, 2006 taping of The Don Imus Show, McCain cavalierly admitted as much: "He [Michael Graham] also mentioned my abridgment of First Amendment rights, i.e. talking about campaign finance reform . . . I know that money corrupts . . . I would rather have a clean government than one where "quote" First Amendment rights are being respected, that has become corrupt. If I had my choice, I'd rather have the clean government." (The Don Imus Show, 04/28/06)

In defense of the provision banning issue advocacy ads that mention a candidate 60 days before an election, McCain said, "These ads are almost always negative attack ads, and do little to further beneficial debate and healthy political dialogue." In his brief to the Supreme Court, Senator McCain continued along the same lines: "These ads are direct, blatant attacks on the candidates. We don't think that's right." (Reason, December 2005)

Thus, Senator McCain and his partner in crime, Senator Russ Feingold, have anointed themselves the arbiters of appropriate political speech, worthy of deciphering which speech is "right" and which should be permitted in American political debate. To this day, Senator McCain remains responsible for the greatest modern infringement of political free speech. While bestowing significant advantages upon incumbent office holders, this feat has created neither a less corrupt political domain nor a more democratic one.
96 posted on 06/07/2007 10:13:16 AM PDT by joessoft (MicMac - There is a term that informally translated is, "Be seeing you again". Ne'multes.)
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To: kellynla

I am reading this extremely interesting old topic in Sam Neua, in Laos, the capital of the province where that USA Walking K sign was photographed in 1988. It took me ten hours of rough, uncomfortable travel to reach here today, and the whole journey was over jungle-clad mountains, with only one road in and out.

We might have passed only twenty villages en route. It is that remote.

It is possibly the most remote place I have ever been to, and it is close to the border with North Vietnam.

I am here doing some research into POWs/MIAs in Laos for a novel I’m writing, and just nosing around both here and down South in the tri-border area, near Attapeu.

I think it is beyond doubt that people were left behind here after 1973, and not just a handful. I have been told that many times by Laos people, who also believe the POWs were taken off to North Vietnam, and than none now remain in Laos.

Who knows, but it strikes me as an awful way to end ones’ life after fighting for your country, to be turned into an agricultural slave, to be forgotten about then quietly killed in the jungle years later.


97 posted on 11/04/2012 6:38:37 AM PST by Peter Lloyd
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