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Authorities shift focus to ‘super corridor’
In-Forum News ^ | May 30, 2007 | Jonathan Knutson and Melinda Rogers

Posted on 05/30/2007 6:22:13 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Toddsterpatriot
Currently there are no roads that go from Mexico into the US? No roads that go from Canada into the US?

Not like this road, no.

I don't want illegals or an erased border

I look at the long-term affects of this road and the importance of this road to the North American Community agenda, and I see the blurring of borders, the blurring of national identities, the blurring of economies and the loss of our sovereignty. This is hardly just any road.

41 posted on 05/30/2007 8:54:52 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: SittinYonder
Not like this road, no.

Some roads are okay and some destroy the nation?

I look at the long-term affects of this road and the importance of this road to the North American Community agenda, and I see the blurring of borders, the blurring of national identities, the blurring of economies and the loss of our sovereignty.

Time to check your eyeglass prescription?

This is hardly just any road.

I know, evil road. Any other roads we should tear up, for the children?

42 posted on 05/30/2007 9:00:10 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
North Dakota and western Minnesota have less immediate need for the super corridor than the southern Great Plains does, said Jerry Nagel, president of Fargo-based Northern Great Plains, which seeks to maximize the area’s potential through regional collaboration.

"Less immediate need" is an understatement.

Unfortunately, the "economic development" types only look at the bottom line, not at the crap that can come in on something like this.

Can we give Fargo to Minnesota yet?

43 posted on 05/30/2007 9:05:14 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
From 2001 to 2006, North Dakota increased its exports to Mexico from $38 million to $55 million and its exports to Canada from $394 million to $727 million. In the same period, Minnesota exports to Mexico rose from $435 million to $595 million, with exports to Canada rising from $2.6 billion to $4.1 billion.

Had the Missouri River Dam System been built as originaly proposed, with locks for ship travel, then freighters or barges could have been loaded with grain and the grain shipped south.

That was not done.

44 posted on 05/30/2007 9:08:39 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Time to check your eyeglass prescription?

lol

I know, evil road. Any other roads we should tear up, for the children?

If you have a point to make, and if you want to make it in a civil manner, then that's fine. You don't have to agree with me. But if all you can do is be insulting and foolish, then take it up with someone who's interested.

I'm not.

I've made my case. You're welcome to disagree and clearly you do. I've been civil in my responses to you in spite of your sarcasm and condescending attitude. But the increasing level of condescenion in your responses does nothing to argue against the points I've made about the North American Community report.

If your position is that this enhances free trade and is therefore a good thing, then why not argue that position rather than trying to be rude and insulting?

45 posted on 05/30/2007 9:13:35 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

An open letter to a worried patriot: Why you needn’t lose sleep over a “North American Union”
By Michael Medved
Wednesday, May 9, 2007

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=an_open_letter_to_a_worried_patriot_why_you_neednt_lose_sleep_over_a_north_american_union&ns=MichaelMedved&dt=05/09/2007&page=full&comments=true

Over the last few weeks, I’ve received several letters, e-mails and even phone messages from listeners to my radio show who feel desperately worried or bitterly offended because I dismiss their fears that the Bush administrations and “corporate America” have devised a secret plan to destroy our national independence by merging the United States, Mexico and Canada into a “North American Union.” This dreaded outcome would feature the end of the Yankee dollar as we know it and the substitution of a worthless new currency called “The Amero.” (a Western Hemisphere counterpart to the Euro, obviously). I wrote back directly to one patriotic Navy veteran who shares these concerns and who lives in the Seattle area, as I do, in order to put his agitated mind at ease. I reproduce my letter below, in the belief that it might also help others come to terms with the exploitative scam by which agitators, fundraisers and a few sincere paranoids have tried to frighten people over a fictitious scheme that’s never been a serious consideration for our government or politicians.

Howdy, Neighbor-—

Thanks for your letter and I’m grateful that you care enough about my work to take the time to write to me. I also regret that you felt personally insulted when I used my radio platform to deride and mock the demagogues who are trying to frighten gullible people about the innocuous Security and Prosperity Partnership and the non-existent plans for a “North American Union.”

You felt that I insulted you “for strongly opposing the ludicrous ‘Security and Prosperity partnership/North American Union’ proposition being drafted.” No, I wasn’t insulting you for opposing any such scheme. All patriotic people would- and should -oppose any attempt to merge the U.S. with Mexico and Canada, and to terminate our national sovereignty. My scorn wasn’t aimed at opposition to such plans, but rather focused on those shameless scare-mongers who’ve tried to advance their own pathetic careers by getting you to believe that such plots even exist.

Doesn’t it tell you something that every time anyone in the administration or Congress is asked about the notion of a “North American Union” he denounces and rejects and ridicules the idea?

The demagogues and charlatans who promote this nonsense focus on Professor Robert Pastor of American University as the “Father of the North American Union.” But even Professor Pastor (who’s a liberal Democrat who advised Kerry and bears no connection whatever to President Bush) denied (to Jerome Corsi) that he believes that a “North American Union” is a good idea!

If you can find one official in any federal department, or one prominent politician of either party, who has ever, in any way, promoted submerging our national sovereignty into a new nation of North America, would you please give me the name? This is an urgent matter: don’t send a letter, call me with the name on Disagreement Day on our radio show, between 2:00 and 3:00 PM, any Thursday. (The number is 800-955-1776).

Ah, but the paranoid alarmists and sicko fear-peddlers suggest that the plans are secret, so naturally no one will acknowledge them. Never mind that when you go to the website of the Security and Prosperity Partnership (spp.gov) there is nothing in the least bit menacing or worrisome (unless you object to cooperation on securing the border and dealing with flu epidemics), and you will find extensive, well-documented and specific denials of grand plots that would damage sovereignty. The hypesters and hysterics tell you that it’s all part of the master plan to hide diabolical intentions until it’s too late, and the conspirators have already managed to terminate our independence and destroy our currency.

But surely you know that any “North American Union” would require a big, big fight in Congress before winning approval.

Even NAFTA – a much less significant change in economic policy – generated years of controversy and a ferocious pitched battle in Congress (remember the big televised debate between Ross Perot and Al Gore?). How do you think the purported conspirators would be able to impose their nefarious plans (including the non-existent plans for a new currency, the “Amero”) without going through months or years of argument and agitation, and somehow winning majorities in both houses of Congress? And if they’re really planning to go forward in this huge public fight, what sense does it make for them to keep their plans secret? Why aren’t they already working to soften up public opinion for their final victory?

May I also remind you that the main source of all the alarmism on this non-existent threat is a struggling website known as WorldNutDaily that also promoted an “authoritative” report that consumption of soy milk caused the current epidemic of homosexuality. When I ridiculed that story on the air, and invited its author and researcher to defend his crapola in public, he quickly scurried away to the dank and dingy under-the-rock quarters from which his “science” originated.

And please note that the same flamers and losers who promote the “North American Union” nonsense also warned the world that Y2K would bring the end of civilization as we know it. I scoffed at that paranoia at the time, and of course I was completely right. Where are the apologies from the demagogues who scared millions with tales that the “Millenium Bug” would cause our economy to collapse and democracy to end?

Neighbor, you sound like a good egg -— and a real patriot (and I salute your service as an officer in the WWII Navy, where my dad also served, but as a humble enlisted man). But as a proud nationalist, veteran and America-booster, you should join me in focusing on the real threats to our country: Islamo-Nazi terror, socialist militants who want to nationalize healthcare and kill the free market system, blame-America leftists who seek to cripple the country because they think that our current power and prosperity somehow threaten the world.

These are real threats. They are reflected in open and highly-publicized debate, with leading politicians (even Democratic Presidential candidates) rallying support for disastrous changes (like nationalized health care, higher taxes, more bureaucracy and less freedom) that would imperil the Republic.

The “North American Union” isn’t a real threat – in the political mainstream, no one favors it, no one advocates it, no one is planning it. With all the billions of words written against the North American Union, where are the corresponding speeches, articles, columns, or manifestos that actually favor it?

At the moment, the agitation and paranoia about this non-existent “scheme” (who are the schemers, anyway?) serves as a Weapon of Mass Distraction – taking good people (like you) out of the real battles where we need you.

I hope you’ll refocus your passion and admirable fighting spirit on the significant issues that menace our beloved country, and disentangle yourself from this delusional dreck.

With respect and sympathy —— Michael Medved


46 posted on 05/30/2007 9:34:36 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: SittinYonder
If your position is that this enhances free trade and is therefore a good thing,

More roads enhance trade are are a good thing. Roads do not destroy our sovereignty. No matter what the CFR says.

47 posted on 05/30/2007 9:35:03 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; SittinYonder; bmwcyle
Some roads are okay and some destroy the nation?

---------Note this is a reply to Toddsterpatriot

____________________________________________________

You are either paid to try and obfuscate the issues, or you are a fool, I have time for neither.

48 posted on 05/30/2007 9:41:24 AM PDT by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: itsahoot

So what’s the issue?


49 posted on 05/30/2007 9:45:06 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: SittinYonder; Toddsterpatriot
He's doing nothing but trying to goad you SittinYonder. He'll try diversion and childish retorts at every instance.
He also, apparently, doesn't believe it'll be four football fields wide (even when the article says...a 10-lane highway with six lanes for automobiles and four lanes for trucks. Freight and commuter railways and a utilities corridor are also part of the proposal...)
...or that it'll be run by a foreign company (...Cintra proposes to invest $6 billion in a toll road between Dallas and San Antonio by 2010
I do concede that it'll be off limits to most Americans is a stretch. Who will pay the tolls if it's not open to Americans? The Mexican trucking companies?
50 posted on 05/30/2007 10:20:24 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36
He also, apparently, doesn't believe it'll be four football fields wide

I get it, narrow roads are good, wide roads are evil. Thanks for setting us straight.

...or that it'll be run by a foreign company

That's terrible!

I do concede that it'll be off limits to most Americans is a stretch. Who will pay the tolls if it's not open to Americans? The Mexican trucking companies?

You're out of the nut job club for sure. LOL!

51 posted on 05/30/2007 10:27:51 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: Valin
Pass this on to Mike...at least he can get it right...
But even Professor Pastor (who’s a liberal Democrat who advised Kerry and bears no connection whatever to President Bush) denied (to Jerome Corsi) that he believes that a “North American Union” is a good idea!
What Pastor actually said...
Pastor was asked if he thought a North American Union was a bad idea.
"No," he replied. "I don't think a political union of North America is an inherently bad idea, nor do I think it is a good idea for North America right now. I teach a course at American University in which I look at the different options for political integration of North America, and I put the options before the students."
Then why is a North American Union a bad idea right now?
"The reason the political integration is not a good idea at this stage now, perhaps never, is because of people like yourself who immediately begin to fear that their sense of America could disappear," Pastor responded. "Somehow, if you're fearful that America's sovereignty will disappear, you won't even take small steps forward. You just get mired in the status quo. The problem is that the world is moving very rapidly, and you can't stay competitive if you don't move."
Pastor did not reject the idea that a North American Union could form, but only after further continental economic integration and the development of a North American Community in which people are able to think as citizens of North America.

Medved Shilling!

52 posted on 05/30/2007 10:30:10 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Valin
That link...North American Union leader says merger just crisis away
53 posted on 05/30/2007 10:30:59 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Your game is known and it’s a kid’s game, which befits you.


54 posted on 05/30/2007 10:32:27 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I am sure to build this traitorus monstrosity, they will go through many states and seize peoples land.

I wonder when we will just be too fed up with it all.


55 posted on 05/30/2007 10:35:14 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: philman_36
Making fools of fools is something I take very seriously.
56 posted on 05/30/2007 10:35:22 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: rawhide
It would also keep the Mexican trucks off our highways.

That is the problem. They want to pay Mexican truckers slave wages to haul everything.

America has been sold out.
57 posted on 05/30/2007 10:35:53 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
They want to pay Mexican truckers slave wages to haul everything.

Slave wages? Is that like jumbo shrimp?

58 posted on 05/30/2007 10:36:51 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"But others wonder whether the proposal might bring in cheap exports and put unsafe Mexican trucks on U.S. roads."
Absolute no "wondering" about it --IT WILL HAPPEN!

59 posted on 05/30/2007 10:38:13 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

What is your opinion about importing cheap labor from Mexico?


60 posted on 05/30/2007 10:39:11 AM PDT by mysterio
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