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Mr. Rogers might have been even nicer than you thought
Mental Floss ^ | May 23, 2007 | Mangesh Hattikudur

Posted on 05/31/2007 8:50:38 PM PDT by van_erwin

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To: Dick Vomer
I think God loves you just the way you are. He loves all of us. Even the most vile, disgusting and twisted among us......but just because he loves us, doesn't mean we'll all be saved. I think it means that we all have the opportunity to accept his gift of grace.

Very well said. Everyone has known someone who has not lived up to the ideal way of life. Yet, if we still love them despite their faults why wouldn't God?

101 posted on 06/01/2007 7:06:25 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: FormerLib
That probably plays well over at DU but making distinctions about morality does not make one into a terrorist.

No - but the television show Mr. Roger's Neighborhood was aimed at children who are far too young to understand the intricacies of doctrine...and certaiinly too young to understand what heterosexuality and homosexuality are. As such, Fred Rogers did well in focusing on the commandment, "love your neighbor as yourself."
102 posted on 06/01/2007 7:12:53 AM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Diamond

I just turned on some of his music. You’re right Johnny Costa is great. And it makes me smile. I can’t help it.


103 posted on 06/01/2007 7:16:42 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: RedQuill
You’ll be surprised to know that the man inside “Dancing Bear” was none other than (might want to sit down for this) Alice Cooper.

get outta here!

104 posted on 06/01/2007 7:33:31 AM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: Quix
Bob (Killer) Keeshan and Fred (Slash) Rogers were together on Iwo Jima. Finding themselves totally out of ammunition and under heavy fire from two separate enemy machine gun nests, they glanced at each other, winked, and charged over the hill.

Keeshan went to the left and Rogers to the right, dodging bullets. Using nothing but their bayonets and bare fists they were able to kill an entire squadron of Japanese soldiers and totally destroy the machine gun nests.

Later they were asked how they had avoided the shower of machine gun bullets. They just grinned and took a big swig of water from their canteens. Onlookers were amazed to see the fountains of water spewing out of the multiple holes all over their bodies.

Later on Mount Suribachi they helped raise the flag and you can see their likeness immortalized in the famous statue in Washington DC.

105 posted on 06/01/2007 7:40:05 AM PDT by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: I Drive Too Fast

ping


106 posted on 06/01/2007 7:44:52 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: DesScorp
““God loves you just the way you are.”

Bible makes it abundantly clear that no, He doesn’t.

God loves you anyway but wouldn’t tolerate such behavior.


You are contradicting yourself. Saying 'God loves you just the way you are' does NOT mean 'God loves what you are doing'. It means 'just because you are sinning does not mean God does not love you'.

You might think, 'of course I know that! That is what I meant!' but sadly many nonsaved has not gotten that impression. They really think they are doomed and think the only way to not be doomed would be to somehow become perfect. Since they know they can't do that they just give up and stop caring. The whole 'if I am going to hell anyway I might as well have fun' attitude. Sometimes people do need to be reached out to in a way that says 'Hey, there is still hope no matter what.'
107 posted on 06/01/2007 7:48:49 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Drawsing

People will be amazed to know that Rogers was at Roswell in 1948 and shot down the UFO with his revolver.


108 posted on 06/01/2007 7:52:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: TalonDJ

Kinda odd that God loves everybody but never knew some people

Mat 7:21-23 MKJV
(21) Not everyone who says to Me, Lord! Lord! shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in Heaven.
(22) Many will say to Me in that day, Lord! Lord! Did we not prophesy in Your name, and through Your name throw out demons, and through Your name do many wonderful works?
(23) And then I will say to them I never knew you! Depart from Me, those working lawlessness!


109 posted on 06/01/2007 8:00:55 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: SteveMcKing

Achieving them is even better, and Fred Rodgers certainly did.


110 posted on 06/01/2007 8:06:38 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Old_Mil
Fred’s show was appropriate for its intended age group, but announcing that “God loves you just as you are” to a group of homosexuals is denying the sinfulness of what God Himself has called an abomination and is not something that I can support.
111 posted on 06/01/2007 8:13:54 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: van_erwin

I believe he was an ordained Presbyterian minister


112 posted on 06/01/2007 8:15:07 AM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: AppyPappy
People will be amazed to know that Rogers was at Roswell in 1948 and shot down the UFO with his revolver.

That was his brother Roy.

113 posted on 06/01/2007 8:18:56 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: MARTIAL MONK

Mr Rogers also wrestled as George The Animal Steele in the WWWF. You don’t recognize him because he doesn’t speak. His voice would give him away.


114 posted on 06/01/2007 8:26:03 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Dick Vomer

wait... murderer?

what?


115 posted on 06/01/2007 10:31:34 AM PDT by van_erwin
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To: van_erwin

in war sometimes it’s hard to tell what is what...my “actions” then and since then have resulted in the death of people or severe injury. I can only hope and pray that my life is judged by a forgiving God and that is why I can only pray that there really is a merciful and forgiving God.


116 posted on 06/01/2007 11:21:34 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: AppyPappy
That’s crap. He sure didn’t love the Pharisees

He was angry with the Pharisees and angry at their actions. But isn't he the one that states we are all God's children and that you hate the actions not the man.

I hate what my kids do sometimes, but I don't hate them... I'll scream and yell, but I still love them and would probably give my life for them.

He was crucified next to a thief, he looked for the sinners, cause we are the ones that need Jesus the most.

117 posted on 06/01/2007 11:28:24 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: van_erwin
Mr. Rogers was the ONLY thing worth watching on PBS. With characteristic west Pennsylvania friendliness, Fred Rogers was able to talk TO children without talking down to them.

Laugh all you like, but Fred Rogers was a cherished part of my childhood. I WISH I had a neighbor like him.

118 posted on 06/01/2007 11:30:28 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: rlmorel
True story. Mr. Rogers and Eddie Murphy accidentally met eachother at a charity even about 15 years ago. Eddie was actually in awe of Fred and ended up hugging him.

"Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood" was quite funny, but the real deal was evidently an important part of Eddie's childhood.

119 posted on 06/01/2007 11:32:35 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: latina4dubya; Obie Wan
Yes, but was Frank Zappa, "the son of Mr. Greenjeans?" Mr. Greenjeans always reminded me of Ed Gein to boot.

Of course, Mr. Rogers also produced one of the dirtiest character names on a children's show: "Mr. McFeely."

120 posted on 06/01/2007 11:35:42 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Dick Vomer
But isn't he the one that states we are all God's children and that you hate the actions not the man

Not really. Some are the adopted children of God.
Eph 1:5 MSG (5) Long, long ago he decided to adopt us into his family through Jesus Christ. (What pleasure he took in planning this!)
I think there is enough Biblical proof that God loves His creation but doesn't love everyone with a blanket kind of love. I think it would be myopic to tell an unbeliever "God loves you and will send you to Hell". Those are two opposing ideas. Jam 4:4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever desires to be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

121 posted on 06/01/2007 11:36:22 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: van_erwin

Had they all been so we wouldn’t have to worry about lions becoming extinct.


122 posted on 06/01/2007 11:40:41 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: FormerLib
“God loves you just as you are” to a group of homosexuals is denying the sinfulness of what God Himself has called an abomination and is not something that I can support.

the homosexuals will have to live with their decisions and answer to God. Just like you or I will have to stand before him with no BS and answer for all the large and little acts of abominations we have committed..... if you think about the commandments and what we've done in our lives, we are all blasphemers and have very little room to go around pointing fingers at others for their "sins".

“Judge not that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged:

and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again

I'm not sure about you, but I'm pretty much screwed...

123 posted on 06/01/2007 11:43:46 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Clemenza
Of course, Mr. Rogers also produced one of the dirtiest character names on a children's show: "Mr. McFeely."

Probably sounds that way, but considering that actually was his grandfather's name. Oh well!

124 posted on 06/01/2007 11:45:51 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: AppyPappy
I thought the God I worshiped loved all his children. As far as sinners are concerned, I think he tells the sinners, "if you do these things and don't repent, you're gonna get in the biggest trouble you can imagine"

Loving somebody and sending them to hell..... I thought that our actions sent us to hell and that he was leading us away from hell. I thought that we send ourselves to hell and that he gives us the opportunity to turn around and beg for his grace that he gave us for free.

I'm not very well versed in the Bible, all I can say is that if you're comfortable telling everybody here who is and isn't going to hell..or who God loves or doesn't love, then go for it.

I'm too worried about my sorry excuse for a Christian, me.

125 posted on 06/01/2007 11:51:30 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: buck61
Fred Rogers was a WW2 war hero. He killed a massive amount of Germans and, saved the day.

Another urban legend. Rogers never served in the military, and was only 17 years old when WW2 ended.

126 posted on 06/01/2007 11:55:08 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: jwpjr
Tolerance is accommodating a friend’s religious practices when he is at your house for a meal. It is not intolerant to point out sin.

It may not be "intolerant," but it may be highly counterproductive if you go about it the wrong way. The reason why "fundamentalist Christian" has such a bad connotation for the general public is because all too often, self-professed "fundamentalist Christians" are so very unpleasant, and so very self-righteous.

One doesn't get much mileage out of "pointing out sin" when the first response of their audience is a visceral dislike.

Mr. Rogers knew that. His approach was simple in concept (and difficult in practice): accept everybody where they are, provide an example, and let God work on their hearts about the things they know are wrong.

Fred Rogers reminds one of the Christian friends of whom C. S. Lewis spoke: they led their own lives in such a manner that he saw his own misbehavior as shameful by comparison.

127 posted on 06/01/2007 11:58:52 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Good examples, and oh so true. It is always helpful to look to Christ when trying to know how to handle matters of religion. He never lectured or condemned individuals, and in fact reserved His harshest language for the religious leaders of His time. He referred to them as vipers and compared them to graves that were white on the outside but full of filth inside.


128 posted on 06/01/2007 12:03:47 PM PDT by jwpjr (Sigh)
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To: Dick Vomer

God loves HIS children. The question is whether we are all His children. Our actions do not send us to Hell. Lord, we would all go there. The Bible says we are either in the Lamb’s Book of Life or we are not.

I have no idea who is going to Hell. But we know that some people are going there.

I would say that we become children of God when we enter into relationship with Him. The issue being that the unbeliever needs to know that he is separated from God and that only God can restore that relationship.

Fred Rogers lived a Sanctified life and could be assured of his Salvation.


129 posted on 06/01/2007 12:08:46 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: tina07; All

Those are interesting little facts...who served and when.

James “Scotty” Doohan of Star Trek fame:
He was part of the Normandy Invasion, and was wounded. (from Wikipedia: “His first combat assignment was the invasion of Normandy at Juno Beach on D-Day. Shooting two snipers along the way, Doohan led his unit to higher ground through a field of anti-tank mines and took defensive positions for the night. Crossing between command posts at 11:30 that night, Doohan took six rounds from a Bren gun fired by a nervous sentry:[3] four in his leg, one in the chest, and one through his right middle finger. The bullet to his chest was halted by the silver cigarette case he carried, and his wounded finger was amputated which he would conceal during his career as an actor.”

Lee Marvin:
“He left school to join the U.S. 4th Marine Division, serving as a sniper. Marvin was wounded in action during the WWII battle of Saipan, eight months prior to the battle of Iwo Jima. Most of his platoon were killed during the battle. This had a significant effect on Marvin for the rest of his life.[1] He was sent home with a medical discharge and a rank of PFC.”

David Niven:
He was a British Commando, and came ashore in Normandy several days ahead of the invasion.

Don Adams (Get Smart):
Was on Guadalcanal as a US Marine, was wounded, contracted malaria and nearly died from blackwater fever. He was pretty debilitated for a long time...

Eddie Albert (From Green Acres):
This one really surprised me. From Wikipedia: “Albert served as a lieutenant in the United States Navy in the Pacific during World War II. A genuine war hero, he was awarded the Bronze Star for his actions during the Battle of Tarawa in 1943, when, as a landing ship pilot, he rescued 70 wounded Marines while under heavy enemy machine-gun fire.”

Jack Palance...Jimmy Stewart...the list goes on.

Check out this link, it is very interesting reading!

http://www.jodavidsmeyer.com/combat/military/actors_in_wwii.html


130 posted on 06/01/2007 12:35:33 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: van_erwin

I used to be a genuine tough guy. Now I’m a hands-on Grandpa. Rogers is my role model, and I’m not kidding.


131 posted on 06/01/2007 12:49:15 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Dick Vomer
Loving somebody and sending them to hell.....

Paradise 1.0 turned out to be incompatible with human nature. I doubt that any paradise that did not have to be earned in some measure could be any better. In the parable of the Prodigal Son, Jesus explains that salvation will be available to those who can truly repent of their sins and ask forgiveness, but that's not necessarily as easy as it sounds.

132 posted on 06/01/2007 5:05:51 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: buck61

Rofl! That would of been great.


133 posted on 06/01/2007 5:18:32 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: van_erwin

bttt


134 posted on 06/01/2007 5:44:21 PM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: ketsu

Great clips - thanks!

I don’t know who couldn’t shed a tear as Mr. Rogers sings to, then with, the disabled child in the wheelchair.


135 posted on 06/01/2007 5:54:46 PM PDT by Swordfished
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To: van_erwin

bttt


136 posted on 06/01/2007 5:55:28 PM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: van_erwin

Man, when I first saw the title of this thread, it scared the beejeavers out of me. I thought it was going to have something yucky in it! Whew.


137 posted on 06/01/2007 5:58:19 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (WAKE UP AMERICA!!! RISE UP AND DEFEAT THE TREASONOUS ILLEGAL'S BILL!!)
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To: van_erwin

I love that guy. Wish I could have met him.


138 posted on 06/01/2007 6:14:08 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: Old_Mil
...As such, Fred Rogers did well in focusing on the commandment, "love your neighbor as yourself."

Not even to mention the whole 'love thine enemies' teachings of Jesus:

Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; (KJV)

This also seems relevant:

John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. (KJV)

139 posted on 06/01/2007 8:27:34 PM PDT by Swordfished
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To: potlatch
"That’s the essence of a genuinely nice person!"


You are absolutely right, potlatch.
Thanks for the ping.
I enjoyed the article.

140 posted on 06/01/2007 9:13:18 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: Moonman62
Why? It said Mr. Rogers said God loves you the way you are. I can easily imagine fundamentalists popping a vein over that.

Sure. Because it's inane. Does anyone think God loved Stalin "just the way he was"? Or Josef Mengele? Or Ted Bundy?

God loves every person. But if you chose to define "the way you are" by slaughering millions of people, or killing individuals for fun, or sodomizing people, it's sick to think that God is going to accept and tolerate that.

Like much that went wrong with this country in the 1960s, religious leaders like Mr. Rogers found that it was too hard to actually preach the Gospel--that might ruin your career, get you hurt or even killed. It's much easier to just be "nice" to everyone.

It's worth remembering, Jesus wasn't "nice"....


141 posted on 06/01/2007 9:45:59 PM PDT by Antoninus (P!ss off an environmentalist wacko . . . have more kids.)
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To: Obie Wan
Your what ???

Observant.
142 posted on 06/01/2007 9:47:03 PM PDT by WackySam (Just say no to Rudy McRomney)
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To: van_erwin

“God loves you just the way you are.”

Yes, this is true. God loves the sinner, but hates the sin. That’s why Jesus loves people enough to have the guts to say to them, “Go and sin no more.”


143 posted on 06/01/2007 10:07:21 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: dixiechick2000
You are absolutely right, potlatch.

Thank you D.C., it is so nice to have a friend agree with you - and tell you so!!

144 posted on 06/01/2007 11:01:00 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_))
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To: potlatch

I know just exactly what you mean.

Thank you for being my friend.


145 posted on 06/01/2007 11:03:49 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: dixiechick2000

DITTO, for sure!!


146 posted on 06/01/2007 11:05:36 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_))
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To: potlatch

Thank you!

Nitey nite!


147 posted on 06/01/2007 11:06:46 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: FormerLib

Oh, I don’t know that telling homosexuals that God “loves them just the way they are” is necessarily unorthodox. It depends on the spirit in which it is offered. “While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” God does love those that have fallen into the sin of homosexuality. He wants to save them and unburden them of it.


148 posted on 06/02/2007 6:48:08 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Moonman62
Why? It said Mr. Rogers said God loves you the way you are. I can easily imagine fundamentalists popping a vein over that.

The author has made an assumption that, at this time, we do not know if he can prove. Just because you can "easily imagine" it doesn't mean that the author has no burden of proof. I, too, would like to see where fundamentalists denounced Mr. Rogers. If they did it should be easy to find on the internet.

149 posted on 06/02/2007 6:52:14 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
I, too, would like to see where fundamentalists denounced Mr. Rogers. If they did it should be easy to find on the internet.

Just go a few posts up the thread.

150 posted on 06/02/2007 6:57:50 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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