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13-year-old w-i-n-s National Spelling Bee (No mention he is HOMESCHOOLED!)
PMSNBC ^ | 5/31/07 | ass PRESS

Posted on 06/01/2007 12:51:50 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

Evan O’Dorney always eats fish before his spelling bees. The brain food apparently has served him well: He’s the 2007 Scripps National Spelling Bee champion.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: bias; school; spelling; spellingbee
PUBLIC SCHOOLS DIDN'T HELP THIS KID!

Instead, he is HOMESCHOOLED by his mother...I wonder why that didn't get mentioned?!

BTW, I did a google search for the boys' name and the phrase "homeschool"...the ONLY reference I found was by the San Jose Mercury News--which looks like it is the closest thing to a "big" newspaper near Evan's hometown of Danville!

Here is the link and appropriate phrase in that article:

Danville kid snags national spelling bee title with "serrefine"

Quote:
As Evan hoisted his trophy, his mother Jennifer and father Michael beamed from the audience. Jennifer, who is his homeschool teacher and devoted herself to helping him prepare, blinked back tears.

1 posted on 06/01/2007 12:51:57 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Yeah, but what about socialization. I suspect abuse. It's just not normal. Did mom and dad get the proper license? Spelling..who needs that anymore?

/s

2 posted on 06/01/2007 1:22:21 AM PDT by dasboot
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I watched the spelling bee itself, and they mentioned it there. It was a pretty amazing performance by a pretty amazing kid. I think he knew all the words, didn’t have to sound anything out. At the end he said spelling is just massive memorization. I think this kid memorized thousands and thousands of difficult words and had all bases covered going into the match. Totally amazing.


3 posted on 06/01/2007 1:32:50 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Sorry to ruin your good "mad on", but I checked into this deal and it seems you are just over wrought with the claim of not mentioning the home-schooling. A little fact checking made your point a little absurd.

First of all it isn't MSNBC that you were scolding, but an AP report on an MSNBC web page. So, you can't blame MSNBC here. It is an AP story.

Second, the AP has several other versions of the story where they plainly mention the kid was home-schooled.

I saw that the Washington Post doesn't mention the kid is home-schooled, but who is surprised there?

But, just about every other story I saw mentions the kid was home-schooled.

So, your feeling that home schooling is being ignored or slighted in this case doesn't seem warranted.

4 posted on 06/01/2007 1:50:27 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Gee, if he’s home schooled.... I bet he can do math too.
5 posted on 06/01/2007 1:55:00 AM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

When the show ran on ESPN, it indicated that he was homeschooled. Still, I wonder what the breakdown is on private, public, charter and homeschooled contestants.


6 posted on 06/01/2007 1:58:51 AM PDT by nunoste
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Lazy reporters being lazy reporters, they may not realize that Evan is homeschooled because he is commonly identified as attending Venture School in San Ramon, California. However, Venture's website describes it thusly:

Venture, which serves nearly 600 students annually, is a kindergarten through 12th grade and adult alternative public school dedicated to Independent Study and Home Schooling. When it was established in 1978 it was a radical idea, but as increasing numbers of students (and parents) discovered the enriching and challenging Venture educational option, the award-winning program gained wide acceptance.

Did you see Evan's parents? His father operates a BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) train and his mother stays at home and is his teacher. They aren't -- as far as I know -- degreed medical, engineering, or legal professionals, they appear to be a regular middle class couple who produced a bespectacled genius right out of Revenge of the Nerds. Good for them!

BTW -- check out the video link on the MSNBC page for the story of the mustachioed Indian immigrant contestant whose parents were deported. There's so much crying in that story that I had to wipe off my monitor. You know the MSM (and Karl Rove) was hoping that kid would win so he could be a PR boost for the amnesty bill.

7 posted on 06/01/2007 2:01:57 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Has George W. Bush been taking Carter's Little Pills?)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Did it have relevance to the story? No! Do they mention if a kid who won a football game was homeschooled or private school or public school...no. He is a kid who happens to memorize a list of words and spells them. Congratulations to him, but let’s not go crazy here. They could have picked a better picture of him too. He looks like a geek in that picture.


8 posted on 06/01/2007 2:05:36 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: samtheman

I watched it, too - and they did say at the end that he was home-schooled, but all the way through the bee, they always said his sponsor’s name, which was the Contra Costa Times newspaper.

The other kids were announced with their schools’ names.

He was funny in his after-bee interview, very taciturn. Didn’t really want to say much. He evidently had said earlier that he didn’t like the Bee very much - and the interviewer asked if winning had changed his mind.

LOL, he wouldn’t say! Said he preferred math and music - that spelling is just memorization - and I noted his disdain at that word.

Yeah, he did say he knew the word serrefine the minute the pronouncer said it.


9 posted on 06/01/2007 2:08:08 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: napscoordinator
Do they mention if a kid who won a football game was homeschooled or private school or public school...no.

What homeschool has a football team?

10 posted on 06/01/2007 2:08:56 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Has George W. Bush been taking Carter's Little Pills?)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Sorry, forgot the Venture School website link.

http://www.venture.srvusd.k12.ca.us/about-venture/howven.asp

I attended public school.

11 posted on 06/01/2007 2:11:31 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Has George W. Bush been taking Carter's Little Pills?)
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To: L.N. Smithee

Just an example. Maybe they should start one. Maybe Evan could be quarterback.


12 posted on 06/01/2007 2:19:49 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
If Anna Nicole Smith had ever met Evan, I'm sure this is what she'd say...
13 posted on 06/01/2007 2:28:44 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Has George W. Bush been taking Carter's Little Pills?)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Of course there is no mention of home schooling. ‘Don’t want to make the public school kids feel inferior or less educated, do you?


14 posted on 06/01/2007 2:51:42 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I heard on the radio earlier not only is the kid ‘home schooled’ but he finds spelling boring ...
simple memorization, no thought process involved.
15 posted on 06/01/2007 3:31:45 AM PDT by IrishMike ( What happens when aliens breed with sheep ? - Democrats)
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To: Rte66

I bet the kid didn’t even know who Stuart Scott was, let alone why the dork was asking him if his “likeability” of the Bee had gone up.

His response was great: Do you mean I should like the Bee more now?

If my child was going to the Bee he would be sponsored by Wellington Day School.

Google earth would identify it as the upper corner bedroom of our house.


16 posted on 06/01/2007 3:37:17 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: dasboot

While these parents sacrificed and gave their time and effort to educate their boy, they had to pay property taxes that went to the local school that could not.

It’s no accident that homeschooled children usually do better.


17 posted on 06/01/2007 3:39:04 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: L.N. Smithee

Actually, here in backwater Montanny homeschoolers DO pool their resources and sponsor various athletic teams...!!!

Imagine THAT....people depending on themselves with no government intervention.....RADICAL.

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Oh, and my Mom went to D.C. SEVEN times with her various charges.....she’s sleeping right now so I can’t ask her how many NATIONAL winners she coached, but I think it was three.

THEY were all “home schooled” in that she is a high school graduate [or WAS at the time, she later put herself through college] and she was acting as a VOLUNTEER for Parochial School students just because she wanted to.


18 posted on 06/01/2007 3:40:55 AM PDT by JB in Whitefish
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To: Recovering_Democrat
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can think of only one way to spell a word." -Andrew Jackson
19 posted on 06/01/2007 3:57:57 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: JB in Whitefish

I participated in the Scripps Bee every year I was eligible, 5th thru 8th grade, back in the Dark Ages, when we didn’t have as many words, lol.

Never made it to Washington, but came in 2nd in my state my last year, after representing my county every year. The guy who beat me won the National Bee.

This is a repeat, because I posted about it this time last year, so I won’t tell my exit word. Oh, and I wasn’t home-schooled, but I was country-schooled at the time.


20 posted on 06/01/2007 4:03:47 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Recovering_Democrat

7 o’clock abc radio news reported him as homeschooled


21 posted on 06/01/2007 4:10:43 AM PDT by don-o (“I don`t expect politicians to solve anyone's problems.The world owes us nothing” Bob Dylan)
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To: dasboot
Yeah, but what about socialization.

Yeah, I could tell you all about socialization in inner city schools.
22 posted on 06/01/2007 4:23:11 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
You guys did see the /s, right?

I'm a vet homeschooling dad. I was just funnin'!

23 posted on 06/01/2007 4:27:13 AM PDT by dasboot
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To: Rte66

bravo...!!!


24 posted on 06/01/2007 4:29:32 AM PDT by JB in Whitefish
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To: samtheman

Yea, but he claims math and music are his real loves. The kid is amazing.


25 posted on 06/01/2007 4:30:34 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: dasboot
You guys did see the /s, right?

Sure, I was agreeing with you about the idiocy of the socialization argument. If you put an otherwise good kid with a group of corrupt, little gangsta wannabes for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, 9 months a year, chances are that it's not the group whose behavior is going to be modified.
26 posted on 06/01/2007 4:31:54 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Recovering_Democrat

We watched it last night, and the commentators mentioned that he was homeschooled by his mom...haven’t read newspaper accounts.


27 posted on 06/01/2007 4:34:09 AM PDT by LucyJo
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To: L.N. Smithee

Our homeschool association has a 6-man football team! Last year, we were one of three in the State of Texas.


28 posted on 06/01/2007 4:34:56 AM PDT by Day Kay
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To: Recovering_Democrat

My wife and I watched the blurb on Fox News this morning. I told her I bet the kid is a homeschooler. But you’re right, they never said a word about that. Instead they spent 5 minutes making jokes about the word he spelled.


29 posted on 06/01/2007 4:47:42 AM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: L.N. Smithee
I believe that a homeschooled kid can still play sports in the public school district in which he/she resides.
30 posted on 06/01/2007 4:47:45 AM PDT by Stark_GOP
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To: JB in Whitefish

Thank you! It’s a shame I have to be kind of defensive about it, but I’ve learned.

I wouldn’t even post on the other thread on this topic, after reading some of the responses.

This kid’s attitude kind of perturbed me. If he hated the idea of doing something as *dumb* and distasteful as memorizing spelling words, why’d he get involved? Just so he could put down all the other kids who “didn’t” win?

Maybe he’ll just let them keep their $35,000, too. I beg to differ with him on the “memorization” part, anyway. All it really is for most good spellers is exposure, more than any kind of forced memorization.

I didn’t memorize anything - although the school had kids and teachers drill me several hours a day. I just figured out the ones I didn’t know and the others were words I had seen or been exposed to - and I had a photographic memory back then.

Lost it just about the time of the age cut-off for the Bee - lol, when boys discover girls and vice versa!


31 posted on 06/01/2007 4:48:35 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Stephen Hawking must be one proud dad!

32 posted on 06/01/2007 4:52:35 AM PDT by Silly (http://www.paulklenk.us)
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To: LucyJo

The local TV news I watched this AM used the home-schooling angle as the headline, so it was important here. (HouTX)


33 posted on 06/01/2007 4:53:47 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Recovering_Democrat

The local contestant from St. Louis that didn’t make it past round 6 went to a private school that costs probably $30,000/yr. Ooops...money can’t buy everything!


34 posted on 06/01/2007 4:57:11 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas , Molly Ivins, Maureen Dowd - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

They did mention it, along with the fact taht he was the third home-schooled child to win the competition. They mentioned it near the end of the program.


35 posted on 06/01/2007 5:10:38 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Rte66
This kid’s attitude kind of perturbed me. If he hated the idea of doing something as *dumb* and distasteful as memorizing spelling words, why’d he get involved? Just so he could put down all the other kids who “didn’t” win?

Maybe he’ll just let them keep their $35,000, too.

Same reaction here. It made me feel more sympathy for the little guy who lost to him, when the camera panned him as the winner was being celebrated. It was as if the event meant more to him than it did to the kid who won.

36 posted on 06/01/2007 5:13:35 AM PDT by LucyJo
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Sorry to ruin your good "mad on", but I checked into this deal and it seems you are just over wrought with the claim of not mentioning the home-schooling. A little fact checking made your point a little absurd.

First of all it isn't MSNBC that you were scolding, but an AP report on an MSNBC web page. So, you can't blame MSNBC here. It is an AP story.



You didn't ruin my "mad on"; :) I have never heard that phrase before....MSNBC posted the story; whatever source they had, they are still responsible for the content on their site.

Second, the AP has several other versions of the story where they plainly mention the kid was home-schooled.

I didn't see them in my google search. Can you show me some of those "several" versions?

So, your feeling that home schooling is being ignored or slighted in this case doesn't seem warranted.

I think it is absolutely warranted. I have news on all morning...over three hours, I heard the story three times and the only time it was mentioned was during the 5:00 am hour.

We obviously have different observations.

37 posted on 06/01/2007 6:28:04 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: JB in Whitefish

Your mom sounds like an awesome woman.


38 posted on 06/01/2007 6:40:44 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: steveyp

We joke about our kids attending Basement Academy...


39 posted on 06/01/2007 7:22:18 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Member VRWC - Volvo-owning right-wing conspiracy)
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To: L.N. Smithee
What homeschool has a football team

Tim Tebow, qb for the Florida Gators (ever hear of them?) was homeschooled all the way thru high school

40 posted on 06/01/2007 7:32:45 AM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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To: Rte66

I felt sorry for the runner-up, the Canadian kid. Seemed like a very likeable boy. However, I’m glad our American home-schooler won.


41 posted on 06/01/2007 7:54:14 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Rte66
"This kid’s attitude kind of perturbed me. If he hated the idea of doing something as *dumb* and distasteful as memorizing spelling words, why’d he get involved? Just so he could put down all the other kids who “didn’t” win?"

You are getting sort of close to the 'self esteem' argument for eliminating grades (and failing courses) in public schools.

I liked the kid's attitude, if nothing else, he's honest.

He has other interests and seems to be doing pretty well with them (performing the symphony he wrote based on his association of numbers with musical notes -!/?). He has mastered a skill that I lack in huge quantities. He won the contest.

If it isn't his favorite subject just imagine what he might do in an area he finds challenging!

42 posted on 06/01/2007 8:18:42 AM PDT by norton (I am again reminded that there is only one 'e' in argument)
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To: norton

PS: If I remember correctly, during the broadcast they mentioned ‘California’ several times and ‘home schooled’ once near the end (I tuned in late). That mention was also when they admitted that the last three winners were not products of mass indoctrination.


43 posted on 06/01/2007 8:22:53 AM PDT by norton (There is still only one 'e' in argument)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Thank You.

She is...!!!

She was 13 when Pearl Harbor was bombed.

FIVE of her brothers were in WWII simultaneously.

She and one her older sisters played in an all-girl orchestra for the troop trains and USO shows as well as when the ships began bringing the more seriously injured troops home.

The guys coming down the gangways were a bit unresponsive, due various injuries and drugs.

They asked their bandleader what they should do.

She said, “they haven’t seen pretty girls in a long time...just smile and play your hearts out”....which they did.

My Mom cried the whole next day.


44 posted on 06/01/2007 8:34:39 AM PDT by JB in Whitefish
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To: Recovering_Democrat
No we don't have "different observations". I have an informed knowledge and you merely had a knee-jerk reaction to one single story and didn't bother to do any research to confirm your curiosity. You just went off your nut with no proof!

So, to so easily show how ridiculous you are being, here is just a VERY few instances of some findings where the home-schooling aspect was brought out RIGHT upfront that took mere moments to conduct...

AP report in the San Diego Union Tribune "The home-schooled eighth-grader easily aced 'serrefine'”

AP report on CNN.com "The home-schooled eighth-grader easily aced 'serrefine'"

This one from the San Jose Mercury News"As Evan hoisted his trophy, his mother Jennifer and father Michael beamed from the audience. Jennifer, who is his homeschool teacher and devoted herself to helping him prepare, blinked back tears."

Heres an AP report from Time Magazine"Evan, a home-schooled eighth-grader from Danville, Calif., breezed through the competition Thursday night to become the nation's top speller."

Here is the same AP report on ABC News "Evan, a home-schooled eighth-grader from Danville, Calif., breezed through the competition Thursday night to become the nation's top speller."

And now something from that old rag I like to call the San Francisco Chronicle"The homeschooled spelling phenomenon received a golden loving cup trophy and $20,000 -- money the young college-bound scholar says 'I'll probably give to my parents.'"

These were just the FIRST few that showed up on my Google search.

Now, I like to gig the MSM as much as anyone and it is beyond doubt that the MSM is as left as any average Marxist. But when we Conservatives attack them with NO truth behind us, we diminish the reality of their leftism and make OURSELVES look like the idiots. So, its best to do it when you have BOTHERED TO DO THE RESEARCH!

OK. Now that I have made you look the fool. I have to go now.

Bye, bye.

45 posted on 06/01/2007 11:24:03 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Day Kay

“Our homeschool association has a 6-man football team! Last year, we were one of three in the State of Texas.”

Three teams? Must make for a short season. Either that or every third week is a bye.


46 posted on 06/01/2007 11:28:26 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

That he is homeschooled is mentioned in nearly every radio news on the hour.


47 posted on 06/01/2007 11:28:57 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: napscoordinator; L.N. Smithee
Maybe they should start one.

Someone did.

48 posted on 06/01/2007 11:34:50 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: No Truce With Kings

We had 12 games, I think (having all daughters, the football teams isn’t my highest priority, but it does make the calendar!) We play TAPPS (Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools) teams and public schools with 6-man teams for a full season.


49 posted on 06/01/2007 2:01:45 PM PDT by Day Kay
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To: Mobile Vulgus
No we don't have "different observations". I have an informed knowledge and you merely had a knee-jerk reaction to one single story and didn't bother to do any research to confirm your curiosity.

Yes, I did: it was detailed in my post. To say I didn't "do any research" is hyperbolic. In fact, I described what I had done to find out what news articles described Evan as being a homeschool student. :)

... So, to so easily show how ridiculous you are being, here is just a VERY few instances of some findings where the home-schooling aspect was brought out RIGHT upfront that took mere moments to conduct... AP report in the San Diego Union Tribune "The home-schooled eighth-grader easily aced 'serrefine'”

That AP report was filed at 12:14 am on June 1. My post, whilst posted on June 1, was from a story filed by the AP on 31 May. So, while the AP might have mentioned it in later stories, it wasn't on the general release posted by PMSNBC.

AP report on CNN.com "The home-schooled eighth-grader easily aced 'serrefine'"

This one seems curious; the web site says this was posted at 1737 GMT...isn't that at about 1:37 PM Eastern time?? Such a post hardly proves your point, since it was apparently posted well after the original reporting. Are you certain this article mentioned the homeschooling contemporaneous with your 4:50 am post?

This one from the San Jose Mercury News"As Evan hoisted his trophy, his mother Jennifer and father Michael beamed from the audience. Jennifer, who is his homeschool teacher and devoted herself to helping him prepare, blinked back tears."

EVIDENCE YOU DIDN'T READ MY POST!

Otherwise, why would you give this as a source?? That was the one I cited in the thread.

Did you happen to notice WHEN the story was posted? I did:

Article Launched: 05/31/2007 08:44:22 PM PDT

Ah...before 01 JUNE and therefore at about the same time the PMSNBC/AP wire was posted. Thus my contrast between the two in my post.

Talk about a knee-jerk reaction.

Your "TIME" and "ABC" and "SF Chronicle" posts also were from O1 JUNE, not from 31 May. The posts I found were from the initial reporting on the event--and the AP wire found then neglected to mention he was homeschooled.

These were just the FIRST few that showed up on my Google search.

You probably did a search a bit later than I did: your first missive to me was a full hour after my initial read. Like I said in my post (which again it seems you didn't read), I also did a Google search. Do you think there might have been a flurry of posting afterwards by the press to include the homeschool detail? Maybe. One thing is certain: my Google search did not show any but the aformentioned one....we diminish the reality of their leftism and make OURSELVES look like the idiots. So, its best to do it when you have BOTHERED TO DO THE RESEARCH!

Right. So maybe we ought to check the times of the posting of respective stories before accusing someone of not doing research. Or give him/her the courtesy of completely reading what they've said. :)

Have a good weekend, my friend; I'm sure you mean well, and I certainly agree with the motive behind your post!!

RD

50 posted on 06/01/2007 6:39:50 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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