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Catholic Schwarzenegger to terminate religious 'interference'
Cath News ^ | June 1, 2007

Posted on 06/01/2007 9:35:19 AM PDT by NYer

Describing himself as a "very dedicated Catholic", California Governor Arnold Schhwarzenegger is backing stem cell research initiatives, saying that religion should not interfere with government policy.

The Star reports that Governor Schwarzenegger is attempting to stare down anti-abortion opponents of stem-cell research with a warning to leave religion out of politics and health.

Schwarzenegger, in Toronto to sign accords with Premier Dalton McGuinty on collaborating with Ontario to fight cancer and curb climate change, said saving lives is paramount.

"I always said that you should not have your religion interfere with government policies or with the policies of the people," the former action film superstar turned politician told hundreds of people at the MaRS Discovery District research centre.

"I am a Catholic and a very dedicated Catholic, but that does not interfere with my decision-making because I know that stem cell research, the way we are doing it in California ... is the right way to go and will save, very quickly down the line, lives and cure a lot of these illnesses," he said.

After signing a deal with McGuinty for a new joint research initiative between California and Ontario scientists, Schwarzenegger recounted his personal interest in the subject.

"I have a father-in-law, Sargent Shriver, who has Alzheimer's," he said of the 91-year-old husband of Eunice Kennedy Shriver, sister of late US president John F Kennedy.

"Now, Sargent Shriver, I'll tell you was one of the most brilliant minds in the world. He was working under the Johnson administration, the Kennedy administration, started the Peace Corps, the Jobs Corps, like I said, brilliant, brilliant," the governor said.

"Today, he does not even recognise his wife," he said. "Alzheimer's is a terrible disease and this is why I am so very passionate about supporting (research)."

Abortion foes are against stem-cell research because microscopic embryos, usually donated by fertility clinics, are destroyed in the process.

McGuinty, a fellow Catholic praised by Schwarzenegger for his "fantastic" support for the research, said he understood those with religious or ethical concerns.

"I would argue ... there's one moral imperative that transcends all faiths, all culture and all traditions, it would be this fundamental desire to relieve pain and suffering and death where we find it," said the premier, who announced $30 million from the Ontario Institute for Cancer Research will be earmarked for the Cancer Stem Cell Consortium of researchers here and in California.

"I'm confident we can strike the right balance between respecting people's sensitivities and ... we have some laws in the books here in Canada that ensure that."


SOURCE
Terminator gunning to save lives (The Star, 31/5/07)


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; US: California
KEYWORDS: alzheimer; canada; catholic; daltonmcguinty; moralabsolutes; ontario; prolife; schwarzenegger; stemcell
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1 posted on 06/01/2007 9:35:20 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 06/01/2007 9:35:48 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer
McGuinty, a fellow Catholic praised by Schwarzenegger for his "fantastic" support for the research, said he understood those with religious or ethical concerns.

I wish these people would just declare themselves pagans or atheists or navel-gazers or ANYTHING other than Catholic. It's embarrassing to see them popping up in the news to deny their faith at every chance.

3 posted on 06/01/2007 9:40:05 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: NYer

Disturbing.


4 posted on 06/01/2007 9:40:40 AM PDT by Pete (My kid sister's first novel: Far Horizons at http://www.amazon.co.uk/)
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To: NYer

A log cabin republican dedicated Catholic?

???


5 posted on 06/01/2007 9:41:55 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: NYer

“Now, Sargent Shriver, I’ll tell you was one of the most brilliant minds in the world. He was working under the Johnson administration, the Kennedy administration, started the Peace Corps, the Jobs Corps, like I said, brilliant, brilliant,” the governor said.

“Today, he does not even recognise his wife,” he said. “Alzheimer’s is a terrible disease and this is why I am so very passionate about supporting (research).”

We are ALL going to die Arnold....even your annointed family members......SHEESH


6 posted on 06/01/2007 9:45:25 AM PDT by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: madprof98
I wish these people would just declare themselves pagans or atheists or navel-gazers or ANYTHING other than Catholic. It's embarrassing to see them popping up in the news to deny their faith at every chance.

I think they might be surprised when the time comes that the title Catholic is meaningless, only wheat and chaff.

7 posted on 06/01/2007 9:45:40 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: NYer
...saying that religion should not interfere with government policy.

Try telling that to the anti-death penalty folks.

8 posted on 06/01/2007 9:45:56 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: NYer

“”Describing himself as a “very dedicated Catholic”, California Governor Arnold Schhwarzenegger is backing stem cell research initiatives, saying that religion should not interfere with government policy.””

Most of history’s despots (including Adolph- a not-so-dedicated Catholic) would certainly agree with you Arnold.


9 posted on 06/01/2007 9:47:40 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: NYer
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible."

A quote from one of those religious types who continually meddled in Government Affairs.

George Washington.

10 posted on 06/01/2007 9:48:05 AM PDT by The Blitherer (If we take anything out of the pledge, take out the word “indivisible” and then kick out California.)
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To: NYer
The Catholic Church supports stem cell research, just not embryonic stem cell research. Even if your not Catholic, killing human embryos for research purposes is immoral.
11 posted on 06/01/2007 9:50:53 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: NYer
Ok, first the disclaimer ... I’m not Catholic, never have been, don’t want to be. I don’t have anything against Catholics, heck, my wife is a former Catholic. My Mother-in-law is Catholic and I go with her to support many of her Church functions (besides they are fun).

but

His statement strikes me as strange.
Most Catholics I talk to consider themselves “devout” not “dedicated”.

So let me ask the Freeper Catholics out there, am I off base here or is this odd?

12 posted on 06/01/2007 9:51:39 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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OFGS Arnold, no-one worries about "stem-cell research". It's embryonic stem-cell research that's the problem. It's murderous and it doesn't even work.
13 posted on 06/01/2007 9:51:47 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: NYer

What can you expect from a guy with a Kennedy whispering in each ear?


14 posted on 06/01/2007 9:52:18 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... For want of a few good men, a once great nation was lost.)
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To: NYer

The Austrian Girlie Man is a Post-Partisan Catholic.


15 posted on 06/01/2007 9:52:29 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: taxcontrol

You are right, it’s usually ‘devout’ Catholic.

‘Dedicated catholic’ isn’t wrong, but it’s a little offbase. A wordsmith like Arnie’s speechwriter might have chosen it instead of devout as it sounds more heroic, I guess.


16 posted on 06/01/2007 9:55:00 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: NYer

Stem cells are not going to help the small percentage of Alzheimer’s patients who brought it on themselves by heavy drinking of alcohol all their lives. Like certain members of the Kennedy Gang.


17 posted on 06/01/2007 9:55:09 AM PDT by Palladin ("Eenie-weenie chili-beanie, the spirits are about to speak"--Rev. Al Sharpton)
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To: NYer

Arnie you are off base. This is a false political wasteland. Please reconsider. Don’t be a dope for votes. Your soul is worth way more than this.


18 posted on 06/01/2007 9:59:36 AM PDT by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: NYer

Forget religion; how about using common sense? Adult stem cells have been shown to be useful in treating diseases, without the deliterious side effects of embryonic stem cells, such as runaway tumor growth. Why not put some money into THAT effort? There is an endless supply, since every human has his or her own ‘adult’ stem cells than can be used, and by doing so, will make unnecessary the use of drugs to treat possible rejection of ‘foreign’ cells in the body.


19 posted on 06/01/2007 10:00:56 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: jaydubya2
Even if your not Catholic, killing human embryos for research purposes is immoral.

Yep, I'm not Catholic and I agree completely.

And even if I weren't moral, I'd have to question the santity of pumping government funds into embryonic stem cell research which private investment avoids for the simple reason that it shows little promise of producing the benefits achieved by adult stem-cell research.

It is nothing more than a raw political power gesture to rub the faces of pro-life people in the dirt.

Catholic Schwarzenegger should ask to be excommunicated so his fellow Catholics aren't tainted with his ilk.

20 posted on 06/01/2007 10:02:51 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: taxcontrol
...am I off base here or is this odd?

It's not the first clumsy thing he's said because English is not his first language...

21 posted on 06/01/2007 10:20:51 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: NYer
Whenever someone describes himself as a "very dedicated Catholic" (like Schwarzenegger) or a "devout Catholic" like Nancy Pelosi or a "good Catholic" like Patrick Leahy, it should automatically trip the listener's bulls*** meter.

No actually devout Catholic ever describes himself that way.

22 posted on 06/01/2007 10:25:08 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is all America's fault, right, Mommy?" - Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: NYer

Excommunicate these faithless political thugs!!!!!


23 posted on 06/01/2007 10:26:37 AM PDT by Maeve (Do you have supplies for an extended emergency? Be prepared! Pray!)
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To: NYer
"I would argue ... there's one moral imperative that transcends all faiths, all culture and all traditions, it would be this fundamental desire to relieve pain and suffering and death where we find it," said the premier

Apparently he wasn't looking in any abortuaries.

Here's a hint, McGuinty: you can't "relieve" death.

There is only One who can - and you are deliberately turning your back on Him.

Don't think He isn't listening to you.

24 posted on 06/01/2007 10:27:26 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is all America's fault, right, Mommy?" - Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: NYer

“Describing himself as a ‘very dedicated Catholic’....” - article

Yeah, sure. Anyone who’s read any Arnie biography can tell you what a dedicated Catholic he is; let’s just say he truly belongs in the Kennedy family.


25 posted on 06/01/2007 10:28:33 AM PDT by mdefranc
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To: NYer
religion should not interfere with government policy.

Okey-dokey.

I see the DNA in the embryo's cells.
It's not Mommy's DNA.
It's not Daddy's DNA.
Does the DNA belong to a person?

Then there's the whole thing of embryonic stem cell research not actually having produced much of anything. Is that a total waste of our money? Or just mostly a waste? Aren't umbilical and adult stem cells actually more promising and a better use of a large, but limited, pot of money?

26 posted on 06/01/2007 10:47:04 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: NYer
Where have the pirates gone? Remember that we have piracy in the high seas at it's highest AND most violent levels in human history. Was it just a matter of coincidence that a tsunami wiped out a good deal of Malacca Straits pirate villages (basically fishermen stealing from slow boats or military and cops moonlighting with their hardware).

Is this a coincidence too?

St. Andreas is also important as the patron saint of marriage and fertility for girls.

November 30 is dedicated in the evangelical, catholic and orthodox church to the Saint Andreas the Apostle, the brother of Saint Peter. He was one of 12 Apostles accompanying Jesus. He was a witness of the Ascension Day. He was martyred under the Emperor Nero and is remembered on November 30, traditionally considered the date of his martyrdom in 60 A.D. He is said to have died on a diagonally transversed cross which the Romans sometimes used for executions and which, therefore, came to be called St. Andreas' cross.

Something else was named after St Andreas. If Christmas day didn't exonerate the sinful on one side of the world...


27 posted on 06/01/2007 10:49:56 AM PDT by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" for the Unborn Child)
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To: NYer

Jesus to Arnold: “I’ll be back.”


28 posted on 06/01/2007 10:53:16 AM PDT by AHerald ("Be faithful to God ... do not bother about the ridicule of the foolish." - St. Pio of Pietrelcina)
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Sure it does. It has an 80% success rate of causing malignant carcinomas in the test animals. Think what it can do for people?It can also reduce the surplus population by leaving millions of women infertile from the egg harvesting that would need to be done. Of course many of these women will develop Lupus so they need these "miracle" cures that have been promised.
29 posted on 06/01/2007 11:01:11 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: taxcontrol

Rule of thumb: If you have to tell someone you’re devout...


30 posted on 06/01/2007 11:37:09 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: NYer

That’s the problem with republicans like Schwartzenegger (I am only typing that last name once!). They want to state there are certain issues and areas you can’t object to if you’re basing it on a religious (short hop from ‘moral’) argument to your position.

What other areas will they start to a) include under politics and health to make them ‘off limits’ and 2) exclude from religious objections?

“You object to the state doing (fill in the blank), citizen 21-d3?”

“My name is Fred, but yes.”

“Are you a religious person. citizen 21-d3?”

“I am.”

“And is your objection based in any part because of the teachings of your religion or your own personal morals?”

“Yes, but there are also other....”

“Citizen 21-d3, you are not allowed by law to object to (fill in the blank) when your objection is based in any part on your religious beliefs, as that would be you attempting to force your religious views upon the rest of us. Report to religious objector re-education camp 12 in two days for a refresher course.”

“You are also required to pay a small fine of $1000 for wasting this committee’s time with an invalid and illegal motion.”

Coming soon near you.


31 posted on 06/01/2007 11:38:17 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: NYer
I have a father-in-law, Sargent Shriver, who has Alzheimer's," he said of the 91-year-old husband of Eunice Kennedy Shriver, sister of late US president John F Kennedy. "Now, Sargent Shriver, I'll tell you was one of the most brilliant minds in the world. He was working under the Johnson administration, the Kennedy administration, started the Peace Corps, the Jobs Corps, like I said, brilliant, brilliant," the governor said.

"Today, he does not even recognise his wife," he said. "Alzheimer's is a terrible disease and this is why I am so very passionate about supporting (research)."

The sad irony is that Sargent Shriver really is a faithful Catholic, is pro-life, and would not agree with Arnold at all on this.

32 posted on 06/01/2007 11:40:04 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: NYer

Ever notice how these articles regarding “Stem Cell” research are missing the word “embryonic” ? They try to link responsible “Adult Stem Cell Research” with voodoo “Embryonic Stem Cell Research”


33 posted on 06/01/2007 11:48:26 AM PDT by PEACE ENFORCER (Liberals; Some People That Are ONLY Alive Because It's Illegal To SHOOT THEM !!)
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To: Vigilanteman

By whom the Cardinal of Los Angeles? The Archbishop of San Francisco? If only Arnie were the problem.


34 posted on 06/01/2007 12:04:05 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: NYer
"I am a Catholic and a very dedicated Catholic, but that does not interfere with my decision-making..."

What an idiot.

35 posted on 06/01/2007 12:42:58 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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I don't run the Catholic Church and cannot speak either to its heiarchy or procedure. All I am saying is that politicians like Arnold should have the decency to exit the Catholic Church if they can't go along with basic moral teachings which are shared by a much wider brands of Christianity than Catholicism alone.

And yet, he is by no means the only Catholic politician whom this shoe fits. Now that I have sort of answered your question can you tell me if there is any other purpose to funding embryonic stem cell research than to rub the noses of the pro-life people in the dirt?

36 posted on 06/01/2007 12:58:56 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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I know that stem cell research, the way we are doing it in California ... is the right way to go and will save, very quickly down the line, lives and cure a lot of these illnesses," he said.

So now he knows that embryonic stem cell research will save lives, even though it hasn't shown to, thus far. It's amazing how comfortable Arnold feels with having the last word on things. He also declared that the debate was over on global warming and that humans are causing the earth to heat up. Amazing.

37 posted on 06/01/2007 1:05:28 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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I guess the politicians figure they’ll be out of office when all these people who’ve been promised miracle cures wonder why it didn’t happen.
38 posted on 06/01/2007 1:13:23 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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Schwarzenegger, in Toronto to sign accords with Premier Dalton McGuinty on collaborating with Ontario to fight cancer and curb climate change, said saving lives is paramount.

It sure is. We can start with the babies.

39 posted on 06/01/2007 2:49:14 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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I guess the politicians figure they’ll be out of office when all these people who’ve been promised miracle cures wonder why it didn’t happen.

It's all about the $$$$$$. That is the bottom line. Politicians want votes and will promise whatever it takes to big business to grow their state. Just look at the cost of running an election! There was a time in this country when qualified candidates were flushed out from their paid jobs to 'serve the public' for one or two terms. Once over, they returned to those jobs. Now politics is a job.

40 posted on 06/01/2007 5:47:52 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Rutles4Ever

“Rule of thumb: If you have to tell someone you’re devout...”

...then you’re hoping to pander to them.


41 posted on 06/01/2007 5:49:34 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: taxcontrol
Most Catholics I talk to consider themselves “devout” not “dedicated”.

Most devout Catholics I know do not call themselves devout. Most pious Catholic I know do not call themselves pious. (I don't know any dedicated Catholics, though. Dedicated fathers, yes. Dedicated mothers, yes)

The Catholics I know who describe themselves as devout are usually far from it.

42 posted on 06/01/2007 8:18:11 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: NYer

Pingout tomorrow.


43 posted on 06/01/2007 10:14:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for the truth will know the truth.)
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To: Vigilanteman

You may not know that the Archbishop of Los Angeles, Cardinal Mahoney, is a liberal, and he seems to prize his political connections very much. I would be stunned if he said anything really negative about Schwartzenegger’s remarks. The pols bugged out on them after Roe v. Wade, in large part because they were told by priests such as Drinan that their disssents against Catholic doctrine were legitimate. So when you see people like Schwarenegger, and Pelosi, and Kennedy still dressed in Catholic colors but saying things that are in direct conflict with the teachings of the Church, my guess is that this is what they have learned from liberal priests. This is something like what has happened in the Episcopal Church, except that in our case, the liberals are in a minority. Many of them hate Pope Benedict as they hated Pope John Paul. They are zealots who are skilled enough in Church politics to know what they can get away with.


44 posted on 06/01/2007 10:38:45 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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So who isn't for "stem cell research"?
There is a raft of data showing that adult stem cells can yield a multitude of therapies for many illnesses.

Now embryonic stem cell research on the other hand - - well, that hasn't yielded squat, and anyway, everybody knows that "embryonic stem cell research" is just a bogus propaganda tool used for defending Planned Parenthood's infanticide industry (which itself is a major Democrat campaign fund laundering operation).

You would have to be an idiot not to know this by now. And Arnold's no idiot, no sirree.
Is he?

45 posted on 06/01/2007 10:51:39 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
The way liberals employ the vocabulary makes it difficult to be against them even you're right. Who wants to be against life-saving research? If you have to explain why you're opposed to embryonic stem cell research, you've already lost. Ka-ching!

Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

46 posted on 06/01/2007 10:53:52 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NYer

the governator a hapsburg, no less.


47 posted on 06/01/2007 10:55:40 PM PDT by ken21 (tv: 1. sells products. 2. indoctrinates viewers into socialism.)
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"I am a Catholic and a very dedicated Catholic..."

Liar.

48 posted on 06/01/2007 10:57:31 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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Said Hitler to the Jews
49 posted on 06/01/2007 11:14:15 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (abortion is a weapon of mass destruction)
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To: SuziQ
Awww Arnold....

See what happens when you marry into the Kennedy family?

You've lost all perspective. It's ashame.

Dedicated Catholic? I don't think so.

50 posted on 06/02/2007 3:29:23 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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