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Space Age Lasers Reveal Offa's Dyke Missing Link
Western Daily Press ^ | 6-1-2007 | Janet Hughes

Posted on 06/01/2007 5:36:07 PM PDT by blam

SPACE AGE LASERS REVEAL OFFA'S DYKE MISSING LINK

BY JANET HUGHES J.HUGHES@BEPP.CO.UK

08:00 - 01 June 2007

It has remained hidden for centuries but space-age technology has stripped away layers of history to discover what excited archaeologists believe could be a missing section of Offa's Dyke.

Aerial laser technology, which allows the experts to see what is hidden below the trees and the undergrowth, has discovered a long strip of earthworks in the Forest of Dean.

And archaeologists believe they may have finally found a missing 250-metre stretch of the Dyke built by King Offa between 757 to 796 AD to keep the English and the Welsh apart. Now they are planning a major study to check out if the findings taken from the air match those on the ground.

"The study has produced some exciting results," said senior project officer John Hoyle, the man charged with interpreting the results from the latest Lidar technology.

"There's a section of earthworks which looks like it could be a missing section of Offa's Dyke. Everybody assumed that particular section had been destroyed by quarrying but this shows it could still be there, hidden under all the brambles and bracken.

"But this isn't an exact mathematical process so now we have to validate the findings by pulling on our boots and trying to find it on the ground."

According to the earliest records by King Alfred's biographer Asser, the dyke built by the former King of Mercia to separate England and Wales, stretched "from sea to sea".

Much of the 80-mile stretch snaking from the Wye Valley to Wrexham is still visible and in places walkers can see the original ditch and rampart which was 27ft wide and eight metres high.

But farming has destroyed some sections in the Welsh Marches and some believe extensive mining and quarrying in the Forest of Dean and the Wye Valley is responsible for large gaps at the Gloucestershire end.

The gaps led some historians to question whether Offa did build his dyke sea to sea or stopped short of the Severn estuary, but local archaeologists believe there is enough evidence to prove he did reach Beachley.

The newly found hilltop earthworks at Wyeseal Woods, near St Briavels, fills the main gap on the Tutshill to Redbrook section of the 8th century barrier and is near the site of a disused quarry.

The new section could prove the dyke did go all the way to the Severn and and help back a theory that any differences in construction are because Offa's ancient builders took a few lazy short cuts in the county and filled in the gaps between older, less impressive earthworks, rather than start from scratch.

The mystery earthwork was pinpointed by the 'Lidar' which sends out 33,000 pulses per second to map the ground below the trees and bushes which are later digitally removed from aerial pictures to reveal what lies underneath.

It is the first time the technology has been used on such a large scale and experts from Cambridge University spent hours flying over the Forest in a small plane mapping 280 square metres of forestry.

English Heritage, the Forestry Commission and the local council paid £100,000 for the cost of the survey to help county archaeologists find out more about what lies under the woodlands.

And the missing section of Offa's Dyke is not the only thing local archaeologists are excited about after seeing an initial Lidar report.

It has helped them identify sites of charcoal, iron and coal workings dating back to Roman times .


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No Pictures.

Fred Nerks can always find pictures...be patient.

BTW, the world's highest concentration of 'O' type blood is behind Offa's Dyke.

1 posted on 06/01/2007 5:36:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; Fred Nerks

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 06/01/2007 5:36:37 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam; All

I thought he was buried in Yankee Stadium!? and he had a lesbian girlfriend??? who knew???


3 posted on 06/01/2007 5:38:10 PM PDT by notdownwidems (Shellback, pollywogs! 1980)
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To: notdownwidems

Now we know what Geraldo (Jerry Rivers) was really looking for.


4 posted on 06/01/2007 5:46:47 PM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: blam
This dyke is the missing link:


5 posted on 06/01/2007 5:47:59 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: blam

this wrong on so many levels....


6 posted on 06/01/2007 5:49:03 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: blam
And archaeologists believe they may have finally found a missing 250-metre stretch of the Dyke built by King Offa between 757 to 796 AD to keep the English and the Welsh apart.

Thank the gods for this welcome news!!

I can't tell you how many nights I've lain awake wondering where those missing 250 meters of King Offa's dyke were.
7 posted on 06/01/2007 5:51:43 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: traditional1

Hahhh.


8 posted on 06/01/2007 5:55:03 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: traditional1
Priceless!!!!
9 posted on 06/01/2007 6:02:01 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (ffffFReeeePeee!)
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To: traditional1
OK. You cracked me up with that one.

FG

10 posted on 06/01/2007 6:07:57 PM PDT by Family Guy (I disagree with what you said, but I'll defend to the death your right to shut up.)
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To: blam
27ft wide and eight metres high

from sea to sea no less. Just WOW!

11 posted on 06/01/2007 6:08:45 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: traditional1
I don't know whether to laugh, cry, or scream. Wait.....

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!


12 posted on 06/01/2007 6:10:00 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: blam

Offa's Dyke

13 posted on 06/01/2007 6:11:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: traditional1

OK, LOL. I should have known that would make an appearance on this thread.


14 posted on 06/01/2007 6:15:33 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: blam

WoW!
I always wondered where those little hamburgers came from
and ZOT! there it was.......White Castle! Offa’s dyke must have worked there.


15 posted on 06/01/2007 6:18:16 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: blam

LOL...I can see I got here toooo late!


16 posted on 06/01/2007 11:59:36 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: blam
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/sites/slideshows/pages/offas_dyke.shtml?3

Hike the Dyke...


17 posted on 06/02/2007 12:05:46 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: blam

“Offa’s Dyke”
I thought they were referring to a “Bull” Dyke!


18 posted on 06/02/2007 12:31:37 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...
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19 posted on 06/02/2007 7:55:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 31, 2007.)
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To: blam
keep the English and the Welsh apart

Keep the Saxons and the British apart. Arthur was west of the barrier--British.

20 posted on 06/02/2007 7:58:40 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: blam

Good map.


21 posted on 06/02/2007 7:59:26 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: blam
27ft wide and eight metres high

Or, 8.2 metres wide and 26.2 feet high.

22 posted on 06/02/2007 8:06:55 AM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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To: SunkenCiv
Dang it something else to see next time I go. As if the list isn't long enough already, LOL. I've wanted to go to Wales for a long time but I also want to learn the language before I visit.
23 posted on 06/02/2007 8:08:59 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: blam

Ya know I often thought it was spelled dike. I guess PC has just taken over everywhere.

It is just sad!

Gunner


24 posted on 06/02/2007 8:17:35 AM PDT by weps4ret (Things the make you go; Hmmmmmmm?)
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To: blam
Not being entirely frivolous here.
But which side is 'behind'?
25 posted on 06/02/2007 9:15:01 AM PDT by norton
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To: blam

Thanks for the PING! (* Ping’s Szechuan Bar & Grill ?)


26 posted on 06/02/2007 9:25:37 AM PDT by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, & increased taxes to bring us down to the world poverty level.)
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To: norton

The dike was built to keep the barbarians home. That would be more or less the Wales side.


27 posted on 06/02/2007 9:28:01 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: blam

That’s where I got my blood type.


28 posted on 06/02/2007 10:17:01 AM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: RightWhale
"The dike was built to keep the barbarians home. That would be more or less the Wales side."

The DNA is basically the same on both sides of the dike. The Welsh just left the Franco-Iberian (Ice Age) refuge before the subsequent 18 other (traceable in the DNA) groups did. Same with the Irish and Scots. The Irish and Spanish are about 90% R1b as are 68% of all Europeans. The Norse/Danes (Vikings, etc) are R1a intruders who split from the R1 line about 25k years ago...they (R1a's) spent the Last Glacial Maximum in the Ukranian refuge northwest of the Black Sea while the R1b's huddled in Spain .

The Anglo-Saxons were just late arrival R1b's.

The R1's split from the R2's even earlier and I think the R2's may be the Jomon/Ainu/Emeshi/Lapita people that lead to the likes of Kennewick Man, Spirit Cave man, etc in the Americas...and, a mix of the Polynesians.(Clan Of Ina)

The Scottish Picts and the 'Black Irish' are just more early arrival R1b's.

29 posted on 06/02/2007 11:00:29 AM PDT by blam
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To: billbears

:’D Seems like a good problem to have. Not sure about learning the language first, but much luck with that as well.


30 posted on 06/02/2007 1:54:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 31, 2007.)
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To: BnBlFlag
"“Offa’s Dyke” I thought they were referring to a “Bull” Dyke!"

Nah.....Offa is straight, not gay.

You must thinking of Oprah's Dyke.

31 posted on 06/02/2007 4:53:10 PM PDT by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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To: blam

Where do you get your information from in post 29? Is it a single source or gleaned from many?


32 posted on 06/02/2007 6:50:14 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: SunkenCiv
Thanks. Just one of those things before I visit somewhere I feel it's important to be able to converse with the natives in their language as much as I can. I know English is spoken there but from what I've read the older Welsh population are put off by visitors.
33 posted on 06/02/2007 9:17:32 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: traditional1

It’s Rosie Belushi!


34 posted on 06/02/2007 11:38:53 PM PDT by Pelham (theTerryAndersonShow.com)
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To: billbears

Welsh was revived in part due to the Eisteddfodd, a demanding annual festival for artists composing written works in the language of Cymru. :’)


35 posted on 06/03/2007 10:10:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 31, 2007.)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/cymru/


36 posted on 06/03/2007 10:10:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 31, 2007.)
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To: blam

Don’t you have sources for that or was it off the top of your head (#29)?


37 posted on 06/05/2007 9:21:10 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring
"Don’t you have sources for that or was it off the top of your head (#29)?"

Most is from Stephen Oppenheimer's book, Origin's Of The British. Or, Bryan Sykes Book, Saxons, Vikings And Celts

The speculation about the R2 line is pretty much mine.

38 posted on 06/05/2007 10:01:38 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

From the title I thought someone proved the Rosie ODonnel was Jimmy Hoffa’s daughter


39 posted on 06/05/2007 10:08:53 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Sawdring
Oppenheimer says that 85% of the Brits have ancient R1b DNA that came with the original wave of folks (R1b's) from the Iberian refuge. The contribution of later waves (18) of R1b's is minor. Not to mislead you, there were other haplogroups early in the British Isles, 'V's, U5's and etc. but, they were sprinkled thinly.
40 posted on 06/05/2007 10:12:22 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Dumb headline, I was curious to see what happened to Oprah’s girlfriend.


41 posted on 06/05/2007 10:15:28 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: blam
Do you think an average senior in high school would like reading Sykes book? My stepson is getting interested in his Norwegian heritage and I think he might enjoy it if isn’t too technical.
42 posted on 06/05/2007 10:57:01 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: blam

mark


43 posted on 06/05/2007 10:58:41 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: blam
BTW, the world's highest concentration of 'O' type blood is behind Offa's Dyke.

Having 3 of 4 grandparents with Welsh surnames would certainly explain the almost universal prevalence of O positive in my family.

44 posted on 06/05/2007 11:02:14 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Cruel is a matter of perspective." Cap'n Jack Sparrow)
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To: Sawdring
"Do you think an average senior in high school would like reading Sykes book? My stepson is getting interested in his Norwegian heritage and I think he might enjoy it if isn’t too technical."

Sykes book would be fine. Oppenheimer's would be a bit too technical.

45 posted on 06/05/2007 2:55:20 PM PDT by blam
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