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The JFK files
The Boston Globe ^ | May 28, 2007 | David Mehegan, Globe Staff

Posted on 06/01/2007 5:36:49 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5

A storied former prosecutor scrutinizes one of the most debated crimes in American history The murder of President John F. Kennedy has provoked by far more suspicion, argument, obsession, and especially book-publishing than any similar event in American history. Now famed lawyer and true-crime writer Vincent Bugliosi has produced what he hopes will be the book to exceed all others. "Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" may do that, in weight (5.3 pounds) as well as content, but it's clear that if his editor hadn't insisted he turn over the manuscript after 21 years of labor, the almost-superhuman effort might have wrecked his health.

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To: The KG9 Kid; rlmorel
I really do think that the assassination of JFK was a result of a conspiracy.

I do not spend all or even much of of my free time regarding the matter.

I read some things about the umbrella man and his testimony, and I was never impressed by the words. It was bullshit, and you can covet and hold onto that BS for all of your days as you please.

The fact of the matter is, my opinions do not really count. Well, they all of a sudden seem to matter out here.

If you want to argue this stuff into perpetuity then you’ll likely find other takers.

As for me, my mind has been made up for a long while concerning the subject.

It does not require one to be a mental giant in order to see to see what is plain to see.

You can look at what you consider to be the evidence before your lying eyes, and accept that nonsense.

Your decision.

Please do not expect me to jump into that cesspool of logic just because I am at heart a really nice guy.

Don’t even get me started on the rants that I have that compares and contrasts your sort of thinking with other victims over time.

You would not likely wish to taste my venom.

101 posted on 06/02/2007 8:09:26 PM PDT by Radix (Lighting a flame to dead leaves, and inhaling the toxic vapors associated is pretty dumb.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

No.

The first question any detective would ask about a murder victim is this:

How did the victim die?


102 posted on 06/02/2007 8:09:51 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: tenthirteen; All
"...yet I have no proof of who perpetrated this crime. Perhaps you do?..."

It was the Shooter Guy...:)

103 posted on 06/02/2007 8:10:49 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Radix
"...You would not likely wish to taste my venom...."

I guess I will choose to be afraid.

Be very afraid.

104 posted on 06/02/2007 8:12:18 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: djf

Wrong and I already know you have never visited the sixth floor museum.

Since when is a 90 degree angle better than a target moving away at less than ten degrees?


105 posted on 06/02/2007 8:13:54 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Radix
"... Don't try to confuse me with the facts, I've got a closed mind."

Alright. No answer forthcoming from you, I guess. Figured it all out from some book well over twenty years ago when you were 14. I'll let you go then.

106 posted on 06/02/2007 8:14:20 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Shooter 2.5

“Prove it. Tell me exactly who shot Kennedy, where they were standing and how that scenario matches the trajectories.”

You ought read “Mortal Error” by Bonar Menninger which recounts the work of ballistics expert Howard Donahue. Donahue studied the “trajectories” exactly as you demand. His conclusion (and this ought go over real well with some on here):the fatal shot which killed Kennedy was accidentally fired from an AR-15 carried in a follow-up Secret Service vehicle.

Ok, so before this theory (and me) get pilloried, I recommend critics at least read the book and then judge.

Personal note:I have read quite a few books on the assassination, including Jim Garrison’s “On the Trail of the Assassins”; and though I don’t claim to be an expert, Menninger’s is about the only one I know of that looks at the ballistics evidence scientifically. I am not saying he is right, but it is a provocative work.


107 posted on 06/02/2007 8:15:02 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: Radix

“You would not likely wish to taste my venom.”

You didn’t really just say that, did you?


108 posted on 06/02/2007 8:15:26 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: Shooter 2.5
Right. So right. In fact, I'm sure the first question the detective asked in the parking garage is "How did the victim die?" "By who?" Jack Ruby. "Why?" Evidently, according to the Jack Ruby info that REDWOOD 99 sent, it was because he: 1.Was Jewish. 2.Loved his president. 3.Didn't want Mrs. Kennedy to have to go through a trial.

Funny though, I never read anything on his mafia ties. Seems to me that's an important part of Ruby's life. Maybe that should be researched and expanded on.

109 posted on 06/02/2007 8:21:47 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness ( Bumper sticker idea: Hillary/Obama Nation '08. Let the desolation begin)
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To: REDWOOD99

I think he did!

110 posted on 06/02/2007 8:22:39 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: REDWOOD99
I did say that...

Are you interested in swallowing swords or something?

If you want to debate with me constructively then that is fine...

If you want to just rebuke and parry swords, well then get ready to know the true taste of my caustic wit.

Of course, you might want to consider bringing a a bit of help just for the possibility that you could go tachy on me.

111 posted on 06/02/2007 8:24:37 PM PDT by Radix (Lighting a flame to dead leaves, and inhaling the toxic vapors associated is pretty dumb.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Thanks for letting me go so that I don’t have to show you my book collection.


112 posted on 06/02/2007 8:26:30 PM PDT by Radix (Lighting a flame to dead leaves, and inhaling the toxic vapors associated is pretty dumb.)
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To: Robwin

No thanks. I prefer my own research with the actual testimonies and photographs.

Let me know of any testimony which says a Secret Serviceman stood up over a windshield and killed the president. I need another laugh.


113 posted on 06/02/2007 8:27:35 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

He was a small time hood but he also hung around police officers for probably the same reasons. To feel important.

Even if you could prove Ruby killed Oswald in order to shut him up, that still leaves the fact Oswald killed Kennedy.


114 posted on 06/02/2007 8:34:32 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Radix

Let’s see...
So far I’m going to need some Chloraseptic, chainmail, a hazmat suit and a defibrilator just to “debate” you. That sounds like a lot of work for an admittedly lost cause. How about I just laugh at you and call it a done deal?


115 posted on 06/02/2007 8:37:27 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: Radix

You’re always free to list your sources. Would be nice, actually.


116 posted on 06/02/2007 9:03:06 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Non-Sequitur

no soap radio


117 posted on 06/02/2007 10:06:54 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Shooter 2.5; Radix

Ruby shot Oswald because he thought that would make him a national hero and never be convicted, like a parent who kills a child molester,etc.

Radix is really funny on this thread, anyone who can’t see the conspiracy is an “absolute idiot”, but he made his mind up a long time ago, thinks the umbrella man is significant and definitely HAS NOT read Case Closed or Bugliosi’s book. He’s the authority here, he read a book about 20 years ago and made up his mind, with such a thorough examination of all of the evidence who can argue with him? Who is willing to taste his venom? Who will incur his wrath? Who will dare debate a man who read a book he can’t remember about 20 years ago? He will crush us. We have been warned.


118 posted on 06/02/2007 10:07:58 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Sometimes a conspiracy is a conspiracy


119 posted on 06/02/2007 10:09:18 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot
Yeah, sometimes.

But, most often, not.


120 posted on 06/02/2007 11:02:16 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: spanalot

All you have to do is prove it and you can’t.

You get your information from the likes of Oliver Stone and he even had the good sense to admit he was only making a movie and not a documentary. You think serious investigation is listening to your cousin’s uncle’s hairdresser.

So there is a reason why Conspirary Nuts are called that. You either hate the government or hate the Stonecutters or whatever group is on your list. You check under your beds for the CIA or the Skull and Bones.

The JFK Assassination was the start of the carnival atmosphere that morphed into “No Plane Hit The Pentagon” and holigrams were used for the Twin Towers. Substitute LBJ and you get “Bush did it”.

Because of lazy or hateful people like you, Free Republic is the mirror image of the Democratic Underground.


121 posted on 06/03/2007 5:36:16 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: REDWOOD99

No this was the start of the modern age.


122 posted on 06/03/2007 5:38:50 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Satan is working both sides of the street in World Socialism and World Courts.)
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To: REDWOOD99
I don’t have to check your link, I remember what he said from hearing it at the time. I didn’t believe it then and I don’t believe it now.

Ruby was dying of cancer, he gained notoriety, he was famous, then he died. Maybe he needed money, I don’t know, and neither do you. It is a tangled mess of facts and suppositions.

123 posted on 06/03/2007 5:42:11 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: word_warrior_bob

Ruby shot Oswald because he thought that would make him a national hero and never be convicted, like a parent who kills a child molester,etc.
>>>>>>>>>>

Would you like to buy a very nice bridge I have in Brooklyn?


124 posted on 06/03/2007 6:39:58 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: Shooter 2.5

Lots of name calling from someone that has so many “facts”.

Why did Jackie run to marry a butt ugly gazillionaire who had absolutely nothing in common with her lifestyle - other than to get the protection this nefarious fellow could offer?

And why would a go go bar owner suddenly become a uber-choir boy to stamp out evil in the world and assassinate Oswald before he was interrogated?

Because he did not want Jackie to undergo “the pain” of dealing with a trial?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA.


125 posted on 06/03/2007 6:46:07 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: Ditter

“Ruby was dying of cancer,”

Ruby was healthy at the time of the assassination.


126 posted on 06/03/2007 6:46:53 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot
That is not what was reported at the time. He had cancer, he knew it and did not live to be tried for Oswalds murder. He died in jail, as I recall.
127 posted on 06/03/2007 6:59:09 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: spanalot
Why did Jackie run to marry a butt ugly gazillionaire who had absolutely nothing in common with her lifestyle

Why did Anna Nicole Smith run to marry a butt ugly gazillionaire who had absolutely nothing in common with her lifestyle

128 posted on 06/03/2007 7:22:41 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ( "In a mature society, civil servant is semantically equal to civil master. --Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: spanalot
Why did Jackie run to marry a butt ugly gazillionaire who had absolutely nothing in common with her lifestyle - other than to get the protection this nefarious fellow could offer?

Easier to explain that one than the one who married Yasser Arafat.

129 posted on 06/03/2007 8:07:03 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Ditter

“It is a tangled mess of facts and suppositions.”

It’s not a tangled mess. There are facts- which you refuse to read or believe. And there are the suppositions- which you put forth with no regard for the facts which you refuse to read or believe.


130 posted on 06/03/2007 8:28:22 AM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: REDWOOD99

So you think that Ruby’s “reasons” for killing Oswald are facts?


131 posted on 06/03/2007 9:11:27 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: word_warrior_bob
I’ve read more than a single book on the assassination of JFK.

I do not understand why people are against the idea that a “coup” took place in 1963.

You had a ruthless politician aka “Landslide” who not only was OK with the results and the total whitewash of the murder of a President, but was also instrumental in presenting us all with the “welfare state” and the almost total reversal of perceived roles of the two mainstream political Parties.

The racist Democrat plantation mentality has taken hold in our country, and folks such as yourself are somehow unable to connect the dots.

OK, you can consider me as you wish.

I’m tired of dealing with puny minds anyhow.

132 posted on 06/03/2007 9:17:12 AM PDT by Radix (Lighting a flame to dead leaves, and inhaling the toxic vapors associated is pretty dumb.)
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To: Radix

You and spanalot are a piece of work, you both know how to do nothing but insult, perhaps because you’ve found yourselves on a thread with people who actually have some knowledge on the subject matter.

These JFK threads are useless with people like you, who think it’s so “obvious” that there was a conspiracy. There was no “whitewash” there was a HUGE investigation, and this crime has been investigated ENDLESSY SINCE.

There is more than enough information out there for all the people who BOTHER TO RESEARCH IT to conclude that anyone who has RESEARCHED all of the evidence and STILL believes in a conspiracy is either a kook or the posessor of a puny mind.

Every bit of “proof” of a conspiracy has been smashed to smithereens countless times, Bugliosi is now here to crush the smithereens into granules for the benefit of puny minds like yours, but you would have to bother to take the time to look at the evidence against Oswald instead of insulting people who HAVE.

You’re on the wrong side of this one pal, just like the conspiracy nuts who don’t believe 9/11 happened the way it did despite the mountains of evidence, there is a similar mountain of evidence against Oswald, only you’re too lazy to confront it, then you would realize what an ass you’ve been.


133 posted on 06/03/2007 9:44:32 AM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: REDWOOD99
OK I went back and read your link. Most of which I had read before. After reading it, you see Ruby as a pure soul only wanting to do something noble for Jackie. I see him as a weak minded sap who could be convinced he was doing something noble for Jackie. He didn’t stand trial for is crime he died in prison before he could be tried. I don’t know the exact reason other than cancer and I can’t tell you when, except before he could be tried.

I paid pretty close attention at the time because Kennedy was in Houston the day before he was killed in Dallas and my husband had a premonition that he would be killed while in Texas. I was 23 years old at home with a 5 week old infant so I was able to see read or hear everything that was said in the news at the time. My husband was not in the habit of having premonitions, never having had one before or since that I am aware of.

I have since read several books about the murder and the people involved and I do have some opinions. But I have NOT made it my life's work studying the event. I think the Warren Commision report was written to calm the country, not necessarily to expose the truth.

134 posted on 06/03/2007 9:53:35 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

See post #133.

Ruby’s “reasons” came from his own mouth seconds after pulling the trigger and never changed. Prove them wrong.


135 posted on 06/03/2007 9:58:11 AM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: The KG9 Kid
Courtesy of Wikipedia:

Lee Edward Bowers, Jr. (January 12, 1925, Dallas, Texas – August 9, 1966, Dallas, Texas) was a key witness to the assassination of John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas in 1963. At the moment of the assassination he was operating the Union Terminal Company's interlocking tower, overlooking the parking lot just north of the grassy knoll and west of the Texas School Book Depository. He had an unobstructed view of the rear of the conrete pergola and the stockade fence atop the knoll.

When asked by the Warren Commission, "Now, were there any people standing on the high side — high ground between your tower and where Elm Street goes down under the underpass toward the mouth of the underpass?" Bowers testified that at the time the motorcade went by on Elm Street, two men were in the area, standing 10 to 15 feet (3 to 5 m) apart near the Triple Underpass, and did not appear to know each other. One was "middle-aged, or slightly older, fairly heavy-set, in a white shirt, fairly dark trousers" and the other was "younger man, about midtwenties, in either a plaid shirt or plaid coat or jacket." One or both were still there when the first police officer arrived "immediately" after the shooting. Many assumed that Bowers meant that these men were standing behind the stockade fence at the top of the grassy knoll.

However, two years later when Bowers was interviewed by assassination researchers Mark Lane and Emile de Antonio for their documentary film Rush to Judgment, he clarified that these two men were on the opposite side of the fence, and that no one was behind the fence when the shots were fired.[1] Photographs of the grassy knoll during the assassination show heavy-set, middle-aged Dealey Plaza groundskeeper Emmett Hudson and a younger man, whom Hudson estimated was in his late twenties,[2] standing on the stairway leading from Elm Street up to the stockade fence (a third man stands a few steps below them).[3] Bowers was not sure if he could see the older man after the shootings, and a photograph show Hudson sitting down on the steps at that time.[4]


136 posted on 06/03/2007 10:15:05 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Self explanatory for gunowners. Bullets carry debris along the path for those who know nothing about firearms.

137 posted on 06/03/2007 10:21:27 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: The KG9 Kid; y'all
we note that just about every single conspiracist we counter here in the forum is woefully or deliberately ignorant of the basic facts in the case as examined by the Warren Commission and the later House investigation of 1978.

Dream on kid. You pro-report mavens are also "woefully or deliberately" ignoring some of the basic facts written in the Report and in the later House investigation of 1978, - and as seen in the Z-film.

You fellas cannot refute the timeline facts I've posted here [#16] that makes Specters single bullet theory, for all practical purposes, impossible to duplicate.

Without that single bullet theory, the 'Oswald as the lone gunman theory' falls apart.

Admit it. - The Report's theories are fatally flawed; - so why defend them?
I truly do not understand why you fellas are so absolutist about defending these gov't theories.

138 posted on 06/03/2007 11:03:01 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: REDWOOD99

>>>”Prove them wrong” LOL! That is hysterical, you posted them. You prove the truth in the words of someone that 10 close friends said is insane.


139 posted on 06/03/2007 11:05:27 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: word_warrior_bob
You've read the Bugliosi book?

How does he reconcile the timeline problem I've outlined in post #16?

140 posted on 06/03/2007 11:07:14 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: Ditter

What 10 close friends?


141 posted on 06/03/2007 11:14:37 AM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: REDWOOD99

Read your own link in post 100. His friends said he was emotional unstable insane. I’ll believe them before I believe anything that Ruby said.


142 posted on 06/03/2007 11:24:37 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: tpaine

The proper timeline shows that Oswald had plenty of time and that it was not a hard shot for him, and he only actually scored 1 out of 3 of the headshots he was attempting.

When you position the jump seat in the limo correctly, (as has been done with computer recreations) the bullet wounds line up perfectly, there is no “magic bullet”.

There’s a reason the bullet wounds line up, the only place they could have come from is the Book Depository, the wounds line up properly and the damage done to the bullets and people are all as they should be. There is nothing mysterious about anything that happened.

Every shred of REAL evidence (using todays technology too) shows the only place the bullets could have come from to produce the damage they did was from Oswalds perch. The myths about the quality of the rifle and the quality of the shooter and the skill required are all MYTHS.

The MYTH of the magic bullet has been debunked numerous times too, for anyone who cares to listen. Oswald is as guilty as OJ is you bother to do some reading/research. I’ll probably read Bugliosi’s book, 1600 pages is quite a task, but what he’s done is put 1600 pages together of things that I’ve already read about, there will be little new for ME in the book.

For the rest of you who believe in a conspiracy there will be PLENTY of new information for YOU.


143 posted on 06/03/2007 11:27:44 AM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Governor CONNALLY. .....We had just made the turn, well, when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder, so I turned to look back over my right shoulder, and I saw nothing unusual except just people in the crowd, but I did not catch the President in the corner of my eye, and I was interested, because once I heard the shot in my own mind I identified it as a rifle shot, and I immediately—the only thought that crossed my mind was that this is an assassination attempt.
So I looked, failing to see him, I was turning to look back over my left shoulder into the back seat, but I never got that far in my turn. I got about in the position I am in now facing you, looking a little bit to the left of center, and then I felt like someone had hit me in the back.

Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?

Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time. Again my trend of thought just happened to be, I suppose along this line, I immediately thought that this—that I had been shot. I knew it when I just looked down and I was covered with blood, and the thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more in this or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two, of the first shot plus the blow that I took, and I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit.
So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to—I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again—it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.
Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else.
I immediately, when I was hit, I said, “Oh, no, no, no.” And then I said, “My God, they are going to kill us all.” Nellie, when she pulled me over into her lap——

First shot starts the clock and it hit a curb. The second hit Kennedy and Connally. The third shot hit Kennedy. 8.3 seconds.
Based on testimony. Based on hard evidence. Case closed.


144 posted on 06/03/2007 11:36:34 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: REDWOOD99

Ma’am, I think YOU need to go reread the link. Ruby was too unstable to have been part of a plot. He was subject to emotional outbursts. His killing of Oswald was one of those outbursts. The timeline of his actions that day prove that he didn’t plan the killing. He couldn’t have unless everyone in the Dallas PD was in on it- and if they were, they wouldn’t have chosen Ruby because he was too unstable.

If you want to believe in a conspiracy, I’m not going to be able to talk you out of it. The reason I’ve looked into this as much as I have is because I wanted to know who killed my hero and I couldn’t believe that it was a putz like Oswald. JFK’s death couldn’t have been that minor. It was worthy of a conspiracy. I haven’t made this my life’s work either. I’ve looked at evidence as if I was a juror. I’ve come to this conclusion: Oswald was the lone gunman who killed JFK. He was not acting in concert with anyone. Ruby killed Oswald because he was armed, in a place where he could kill him, and was unable to think logically because of his emotional instability.

If you’d like references to any further material, I’d be glad to provide it if you specify your questions. If not, good luck to you.


145 posted on 06/03/2007 11:42:10 AM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: Ditter

Post #145 was meant for you.


146 posted on 06/03/2007 12:00:42 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: word_warrior_bob; y'all
You've read the Bugliosi book? How does he reconcile the timeline problem I've outlined in post #16?

The proper timeline shows that Oswald had plenty of time and that it was not a hard shot for him, and he only actually scored 1 out of 3 of the headshots he was attempting.

From that answer it is obvious you haven't read either the new book, my post 16, or Specters theory in the Report.

When you position the jump seat in the limo correctly, (as has been done with computer recreations)

Garbage in, garbage out. "Positioning seats" in re-creations is garbage theory.

the bullet wounds line up perfectly, there is no ?magic bullet?.There?s a reason the bullet wounds line up, the only place they could have come from is the Book Depository, the wounds line up properly and the damage done to the bullets and people are all as they should be. There is nothing mysterious about anything that happened.

Yep, that's what you pro-report mavens say happened. No proof, but you insist. - Why?

Every shred of REAL evidence (using todays technology too) shows the only place the bullets could have come from to produce the damage they did was from Oswalds perch. The myths about the quality of the rifle and the quality of the shooter and the skill required are all MYTHS. The MYTH of the magic bullet has been debunked numerous times too, for anyone who cares to listen. Oswald is as guilty as OJ is you bother to do some reading/research.

How can I dispute such finely honed logic? Yep, its all MYTHS..

I?ll probably read Bugliosi?s book, 1600 pages is quite a task, but what he?s done is put 1600 pages together of things that I?ve already read about, there will be little new for ME in the book. For the rest of you who believe in a conspiracy there will be PLENTY of new information for YOU.

There is no proved conspiracy.
We only have the facts as put forth in the Report, and as we can see from the Z-film. They don't add up enough to prove Oswald was 'a lone gunman'.
Apparently, Bugliosi's book has no new facts.

The case remains open.

147 posted on 06/03/2007 12:19:37 PM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: word_warrior_bob

This is the first portion of the conclusions of the Warren Commission.

1. The shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally were fired from the sixth floor window at the southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository. This determination is based upon the following:

(a) Witnesses at the scene of the assassination saw a rifle being fired from the sixth-floor window of the Depository Building, and some witnesses saw a rifle in the window immediately after the shots were fired.

(b) The nearly whole bullet found on Governor Connally’s stretcher at Parkland Memorial Hospital and the two bullet fragments found in the front seat of the Presidential limousine were fired from the 6.5_millimeter Mannlicher_Carcano rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository Building to the exclusion of all other weapons.

(c) The three used cartridge cases found near the window on the sixth floor at the southeast corner of the building were fired from the same rifle which fired the above_described bullet and fragments, to the exclusion of all other weapons.

(d) The windshield in the Presidential limousine was struck by a bullet fragment on the inside surface of the glass, but was not penetrated.

(e) The nature of the bullet wounds suffered by President Kennedy and Governor Connally and the location of the car at the time of the shots establish that the bullets were fired from above and behind the Presidential limousine, striking the President and the Governor as follows:

(1) President Kennedy was first struck by a bullet which entered at the back of his neck and exited through the lower front portion of his neck, causing a wound which would not necessarily have been lethal. The President was struck a second time by a bullet which entered the right_rear portion of his head, causing a massive and fatal wound.

(2) Governor Connally was struck by a bullet which entered on the right side of his back and traveled downward through the right side of his chest, exiting below his right nipple. This bullet then passed through his right wrist and entered his left thigh where it caused a superficial wound.

(f) There is no credible evidence that the shots were fired from the Triple Underpass, ahead of the motorcade, or from any other location.
2. The weight of the evidence indicates that there were three shots fired.

3. Although it is not necessary to any essential findings of the Commission to determine just which shot hit Governor Connally, there is very persuasive evidence from the experts to indicate that the same bullet which pierced the President’s throat also caused Governor Connally’s wounds. However, Governor Connally’s testimony and certain other factors have given rise to some difference of opinion as to this probability but there is no question in the mind of any member of the Commission that all the shots which caused the President’s and Governor Connally’s wounds were fired from the sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository.

4. The shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally were fired by Lee Harvey Oswald. This conclusion is based upon the following:

(a) The Mannlicher_Carcano 6.5_millimeter Italian rifle from which the shots were fired was owned by and in the possession of Oswald.

(b) Oswald carried this rifle into the Depository Building on the morning of November 22, 1963.

(c) Oswald, at the time of the assassination, was present at the window from which the shots were fired.

(d) Shortly after the assassination, the Mannlicher_Carcano rifle belonging to Oswald was found partially hidden between some cartons on the sixth floor and the improvised paper bag in which Oswald brought the rifle to the Depository was found close by the window from which the shots were fired.

(e) Based on testimony of the experts and their analysis of films of the assassination, the Commission has concluded that a rifleman of Lee Harvey Oswald’s capabilities could have fired the shots from the rifle used in the assassination within the elapsed time of the shooting. The Commission has concluded further that Oswald possessed the capability with a rifle which enabled him to commit the assassination.

(f) Oswald lied to the police after his arrest concerning important substantive matters.

(g) Oswald had attempted to kill Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker (Resigned, U.S. Army) on April 10, 1963, thereby demonstrating his disposition to take human life.
5. Oswald killed Dallas Police Patrolman J. D. Tippit approximately 45 minutes after the assassination. This conclusion upholds the finding that Oswald fired the shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally and is supported by the following:

(a) Two eyewitnesses saw the Tippit shooting and seven eyewitnesses heard the shots and saw the gunman leave the scene with revolver in hand. These nine eyewitnesses positively identified Lee Harvey Oswald as the man they saw.

(b) The cartridge cases found at the scene of the shooting were fired from the revolver in the possession of Oswald at the time of his arrest to the exclusion of all other weapons.

(c) The revolver in Oswald’s possession at the time of his arrest was purchased by and belonged to Oswald.

(d) Oswald’s jacket was found along the path of flight taken by the gunman as he fled from the scene of the killing.
6. Within 80 minutes of the assassination and 35 minutes of the Tippit killing Oswald resisted arrest at the theater by attempting to shoot another Dallas police officer.


148 posted on 06/03/2007 12:28:40 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: y'all
Epic book resurrects finding that Oswald acted alone in killing JFK

Bugliosi picks only the evidence that backs his argument

Address:http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/pp/07154/790575.stm

>> Bugliosi - Like any experienced prosecutor, he highlights the evidence that furthers his case while ignoring or confusing contrary evidence.

Examples of this approach can be found almost everywhere in the book.

Take his spirited defense of Warren Commission junior counsel Arlen Specters single-bullet theory.

Bugliosi agrees that this theory, that Kennedy and Texas Gov. John Connally were hit by the same bullet, is necessary to conclude that Oswald acted alone. He also acknowledges that the theory was developed by Specter and other commission staff members in the spring of 1964 to save the single-assassin conclusion.
He also notes that when the time came to approve it, the commission split down the middle.

To his credit, he tells us Connally denied from first to last that he was hit by the same bullet that hit Kennedy. His wife, Nellie, testified that she heard a shot and saw the president react to being hit. Only then did she see and hear a second shot crash into her husbands back.

Bugliosi tells us Nellie Connally was confused and that her husband relied upon her confusion. However, you will find nowhere in Bugliosis book the fact that no witness in Dealey Plaza could attest to both men being hit by the same shot or that the FBIs review of the Zapruder film led them to conclude Connally and Kennedy were hit separately.

He tells us that Dr. Malcolm Perry at Parkland Hospital estimated the size of the supposed bullet exit hole in JFKs throat to be - 3 mm to 5 mm in diameter, but he neglects to tell us that wound ballistics experts at Edgewood Arsenal carried out experiments showing bullets from Oswalds rifle would cause exit wounds two to three times that size.

Even more egregious is his handling of the trajectory through JFKs back and neck. A face-sheet on which notes were taken during the autopsy shows the supposed exit wound in the throat to be higher than the entry wound in the back.

When the autopsy photos were finally produced in the 1970s, a medical panel concluded that the course of the bullet through Kennedy was at an upward angle (the accepted number is 11 degrees). So how does Kennedy get shot from the sixth floor of a building when the bullet takes an upward path through his body?

The Warren Commission took the simplest course. The staff let the autopsy doctor instruct a medical illustrator to raise the back wound from the back to the neck.
Commission member U.S. Rep. Gerald Ford then corrected a final draft of the panels report to read neck wound rather than back wound.
Voila, a back wound had become a neck wound.

Faced with that 11 degree upward angle, the House Select Committee on Assassinations took a more inventive approach in its 1978-79 investigation. It just leaned Kennedy forward at the time he was shot.

And Connally, who took a shot at a 27-degree downward angle? His body position was leaned back a sufficient amount.
Voila, an 11-degree upward angle through one body had become a 27-degree downward angle through a second body, thus a straight line had been maintained.

Like any good prosecutor, Bugliosi admits it was upward but never tells us how much. Then he publishes a diagram from the Houses report showing Kennedy bent forward.

He says in a caption that the diagram shows - his head tilted forward slightly more than it actually was as shown in the Zapruder film.

Thats quite an understatement since the Zapruder film never shows Kennedy bending forward at all.
Hes sitting erect in the back seat waving to the crowd. Then when the limousine travels behind a sign and emerges three-quarters of a second later, hes sitting erect but wounded.

The Zapruder frames contained in Bugliosis book show Kennedy never took the position he had to take for the Warren Commission’s single-bullet theory to work.

Bugliosi gets it to work by telling his readers only part of the story and by using a diagram even he admits is inaccurate. This prosecutorial approach infects the whole book and makes it unreliable as a guide to the evidence.

149 posted on 06/03/2007 1:06:11 PM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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I don’t think that Ruby was necessarily a full fledged member of a plot, but he could have been used by someone who was. Look we will never agree so let’s just give it up, OK?
150 posted on 06/03/2007 1:07:45 PM PDT by Ditter
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