Damage to the metal windshield trim from the third shot.
Posted on 06/01/2007 5:36:49 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
What? You were just in a thread a few weeks ago going on and on about 'Back and to the left' of the Grassy Knoll/Sewer Shooter conspiracists.
Simply not true. No such posts exist, thus, - you can't produce them. Poor you, all words.
That's all Front-Shotism. Front shot, back shot, WC timing's wrong, whatever. Never mind where from,
you're saying there's at least one more bullet.
Didn't say that. Specter's theory said that, - because there were only three, - one had to have hit both JFK & Connelly. Explaining that is his [and you fellas] problem, not mine.
Explain THIS Evidence:
(WCT)
Mr. SPECTER. And did you have a reaction or impression as to the source of point of origin of the second shot that you described?
Mr. (Clint) HILL. It was right, but I cannot say for sure that it was rear, because when I mounted the car it was—it had a different sound, first of all, than the first sound that I heard. The second one had almost a double sound—as though you were standing against something metal and firing into it, and you hear both the sound of a gun going off and the sound of the cartridge hitting the metal place, which could have been caused probably by the hard surface of the head. But I am not sure that that is what caused it.
This is my point. If you read the actual testimony of WC interviewees you will find a lot of things that weren’t brought out in the report and are still glossed over today by people who are convinced Oswald acted alone. It is those people, in my view, that have the burden of proof since there is nothing conclusively proven about any of this, contrary to many’s assertions.
One only needs to look at Kennedy’s reaction and where the half of his head ended up for proof. You can’t duplicate that shot from the rear. I’ve tried many times with various objects (obviously not heads, but other things ranging from an old football to cantelope) and with several calibers of rifles, ranging from rimfire .22s to .308s.
I can do it easily from the angle suggested by the picket fence.
Oh, and saying “front” is misleading. Read my post on the Hill testimony. He said “right.” Given the angle of the car at the head shot impact, it is much closer to a right angle than to a “front” angle.
Kennedy’s head moves 2.3 inches to the front on impact. Zapruder’s film shows that. There is no damage to the left side of his head. Zapruder’s film shows that. There is no one at the corner of the fence. The Zapruder film shows that. All of the “red mist” erupts from a large exit wound at the front. Zapuder’s film shows that.
Oliver Stone’s movie “JFK” reversed the head shot for his movie so all of the injuries are to the back showing a frontal shot.
I have no idea who’s film you think you have been watching.
Study post 137. You might learn something about firearms.
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Jesus.
It's just not worth it. Even the majority of wild eyed conspira-buffs don't even take that position anymore.
I am listening to it now, and I think what is different is that he is applying his particular prosecutorial style to the analysis an narrative.
And it is different from Posner in style.
Damage to the metal windshield trim from the third shot.
You can lead a person to information but you can’t make them think.
I knew a guy who, no matter how you tried to educate him for his own good, he would only say, Maybe or Could Be. He thought he was so smart but everyone he knew just thought he was retarded.
I'm not disputing that the last bullet fired could have come from the depository. Or that Oswald could have fired it. -- Never have.
Where. Is. Your. Extra. Bullet? Answer. The. Question.
I 'have' an extra bullet? Where did you get that idea? From Specter?
-- His theory sure lacks something, I'll grant you fellas that.
Too bad I have never seen an interview of her. It would be better to get testimony of exactly what her thoughts are about the assassination.
The photographer who took the picture of the Oswald killing also was at Dealy Plaza. He looked up and saw Oswald with the rifle in the window. He started to take a picture but since it was at the end of the motorcade, he had already run out of film.
Oswald with three shots at the sixth floor window. Case closed.
You finally made him admit Oswald killed Kennedy. Congratulations are in order.
Well, maybe not. There’s a lot of “maybe”, “sorta”, “kinda”, “could have” in those posts.
You might consider saving the posts on your hard drive for future reference.
Actually, no. It's not necessary to prove a motive to prove what happened or didn't happen. Crimes aren't solved by proving motive.
However, providing a motive for Ruby that has nothing to do with any conspiracy is not a problem. Just read Ruby's own testimony to the Warren Commission.
After I was released from jury duty on Monday, I wandered over to Dealey Plaza. I noticed some guys with signs waving at passing cars and wondered what was going on. Monday was the eleventh of the month and it seems the nutcases from the 9-11 conspiracy theories were picketing. They explained they were there on the eleventh of every month.
I almost made it past them when I couldn’t resist the temptation to ask about the JFK assassination. I turned around and said, “I’m conducting a private opinion poll. I would like to ask each one of you this question. Did Oswald kill Kennedy?” Out of the five, two immediately understood what I was really asking which was their level of insanity. After a couple of wayward excuses and denials, they finally stated their opinions. Out of the five, four stated Oswald had nothing to do with the assassination and one stated that he had help.
I would love to see a shrink’s evaluation report on some of these people.
I’d like to know their political affiliation.
One of them told me 9-11 was a Right Wing Conspriracy.
Does that mean the first attack on the Twin Towers was a left wing conspiracy? -s-
That’s exactly the type I mean when I say the JFK conspiracists are either insane or uninformed.
When a five year old wants to tell the teacher one and one are three it’s cute.
Not so cute when the thirty year old wants to believe a military rifle can’t penetrate five inches of flesh. Or bullets can jump over windshields. Or someone is completely stupid enough to doubt the Zapruder film.
You have asked where the fourth bullet is. Ask one of these days where is the hard evidence of a second shooter. They can’t do it.
The problem with talking with the conspiracists is their many implausible theories and trying to determine to which type of conspiracist you're talking to:
1. Some claim their second gunman's bullet is one of any of Oswald two successful hits, only the forensic evidence doesn't support that in any way. The supposed throat hit from the front was an emergency tracheotomy performed by doctors at Parkland Hospital -- presumably ones laying in wait as part of the conspiracy which is another fabricated idiocy altogether, one that leaves no explanation for the 'Magic Bullet' and Governor Connally's several wounds.
2. Or, the second gunman's hit is Oswald's final shot, but there's no fragmentation debris in the left side of Kennedy's cranium that proves this, unless you believe a very awful conspiracy theory that the radiometry charts of Kennedy as presented by the Warren Commission were deliberately displayed upside down and backwards to make Oswald look guilty. This theory also ignores the autopsy data which shows the dishing of the bullet hole in the rear of Kennedy's skull, the resulting internal bone material, and the bruising of the upper dermis tissue around the same hole.
3. Most of these theories rely on Oswalds bullets vanishing into thin air, like the one which struck his back, caused a 7mm deep hole, then stopped. When you point out that the upper dermis slides over the musculature of the back and that the hole is indeed all the way through, they start mentioning the discrepancy of the hole in the suit jacket, the dress shirt, and Kennedy's upper back. This is where they really get upset when you point to the rumpled suit caused by the back brace Kennedy famously wore as shown in several amateur and White House films of Kennedy in the Dallas motorcade looking like a hunchback because of this problem. There's also photgraphic evidence of the bullet nick in the knot of Kennedy's necktie. If that's from the front, how come it doesn't match with the supposed tracheotomy wound they claim? Did Uncle Joe Kennedy teach little John Fitgerald to tie his necktie so that the knot covered his Adam's Apple? Lastly, you also are required to go over the relative height of the Kennedy and Connally seated in the limousine and how Kennedy's position was a whole lap-height tiered higher than the Governor.
4. For conspiracy theories about Secret Service men having negligent discharges with an AR-15, you just have to throw up your hands and say 'Er, no. Didn't happen'.
It's maddening to try to reason with people who get caught saying 'The dog ate my homework'.
The conspiracists who anger me are the ones that know better but simply cling to outdated and disproven theories. They're the ones with a kooky or mean agenda. The folks who simply believe that there was a conspiracy because smart fellers with fancy book learnin' have been claiming there was a conspiracy all of these decades are the ones I feel sad for. The last type are the ones that need educating and are the sole reason you and I continue to return to every single JFK thread that pops up on FreeRepublic.
I will finally admit that I believe that there is certain proof of conspiracy in the JFK Assassination, and the evidence is almost never discussed even though it's laying in plain view: The real conspiracy is that the radical left wing has been casting doubt on the truth going on decades now because they're covering up for one of their own: The screwball social reject and leftist radical Lee Harvey Oswald, the Castro and Khruschev-loving rat fink -- an ACLU member card holder who murdered our President Kennedy. These same people who insist that every right wing element under the sun was responsible for 9/11 except the radical Islamists they love to protect.
The 'UFO video' threads here on FR, I just ignore altogether.
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