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In Vermont, nacent secession movement gains traction
http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2007/06/03/in_vermont_nascent_secession_movement_g ^ | June3, 2007 | John Curran

Posted on 06/03/2007 1:39:50 PM PDT by television is just wrong

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To: television is just wrong

In chance they can take Ithaca and Berkeley with them?


21 posted on 06/03/2007 4:10:16 PM PDT by Wheee The People (Go FRed)
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Let the liberals have their utopia. This is a great ‘fly paper’ strategery to draw liberals from all over the country to create their State of Social Justice. Life there will be amazingly good, and everyone will make more money than they ever did under greedy capitalism. They have the chance to set up the best socialist government ever devised. They will be so wealthy that each person will be supplied according to his needs. Each citizen will gladly pay the tiny tax according to his abilities to earn.

Crippled children will quickly walk, thanks to amazing medical research coming out of embryonic stem cell research. There will be very few crippled children to do this research for. Any child that has the slightest imperfection while in the womb will quickly be aborted.

I hope that the Left wants to take Vermont out of the Union. I can’t wait to hear the public debate on the legality of secession, which can only occur with great conflicts in the Left’s understanding of Lincoln. But we know that if the Left wants something bad enough, that no prior myth is too big for the left to want to talk past, in fast spin mode, in order to justify what they want today.

22 posted on 06/03/2007 4:24:31 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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I feel sorry for the old Vermont natives who have gotten their State hijacked by every left-wing moron in the northeastern United States. Case in point: Howeird Dean.


23 posted on 06/03/2007 5:29:39 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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I’m voting for the people of Vermont to put out the left-wing trash.


24 posted on 06/03/2007 5:31:00 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: BlazingArizona

and maple syrup.


25 posted on 06/03/2007 6:01:20 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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"What about Vermont’s share of the National Debt?"

There are laws against peonage that should apply to State as well as man. The National Debt is perpetual, of the nature that Jefferson warned us about. It is illicit and against Natural Law. Repudiating the national debt should be on the table provided Vermont is serious about implenting truly honest money the Common Law way.

Vermont should not secede. Vermont should simply ask the United States to please leave Vermont peacefully. All other states should do the same. This would have the effect of restoring the Republic without breaking it up into confederacies.

26 posted on 06/03/2007 6:49:01 PM PDT by Jason_b
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Hmmm…Let me see. We down South made this case over 140 years ago. We believed that it was the right, when the (federal) government did not serve our citizens needs, that it was “our right to alter or abolish it.”

Mr. Lincoln and a bunch of folks up North — including VERMONT — killed hundreds of thousands of our forefathers and burnt down or stole everything they owned to keep us from achieving what the good citizens of Vermont are now increasingly demanding.

Surprisingly, I FULLY SUPPORT Vermont’s right to secede. Yea, I am THRILLED by it. We didn’t want to be in a Union with them for at least 14 decades. If they get out — and other blue states, for that matter — so much the better.

Either way, the day of “the Union” is coming to an end — not because I desire it, but because the partners in this political, shotgun marriage just can’t agree or get along. I’d rather have an amicable divorce than a murder-suicide.


27 posted on 06/04/2007 6:59:06 AM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction.)
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quite frankly, I support Vermont,

I do not support the seccession of the Southwest, because it is a HOSTILE take over on the part of the Mexican government.


28 posted on 06/04/2007 7:06:36 AM PDT by television is just wrong (Amnesty is when you allow them to return to their country of origin without prosecution.)
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Exactly. While it could be argued that the constitution and declaration represent a voluntary association, most recognize that secession as a practical matter ended in 1865.


29 posted on 06/04/2007 7:18:17 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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We are not the nation we were in 1856. Or even in 1956. Imagine, for the sake of discussion, that a state does secede from the Union, by passing resoulutions.

Would the anti-war Democrats now suddenly change their spots? Would the editorial board of the NY Times which has oppposed “Bush’s adventure” in Iraq now be OK with, say Obama using the US Army against it’s own citizens?

And suppose Vermont does not even field any military. They simply keep passing laws. How would that be fought? Would Federal Prosecutors be used to arrest and jail the State legislature.


30 posted on 06/04/2007 10:57:31 AM PDT by Jack Black
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I support them. Goodbye, have fun, best of luck.


31 posted on 06/04/2007 10:58:52 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Famously frisky)
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Or put another way, a lot of things don’t work the first time but eventually do. The Federal Reserve bank was the third or fourth attempt at nationalizing banking under a private cartel.

I don’t think the example of the Civil War is the end of the story.


32 posted on 06/04/2007 10:58:55 AM PDT by Jack Black
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“The argument for secession is that the U.S. has become an empire that is essentially ungovernable — it’s too big, it’s too corrupt and it no longer serves the needs of its citizens,”

I agree with this too.


33 posted on 06/04/2007 11:01:17 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Famously frisky)
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Would the anti-war Democrats now suddenly change their spots? Would the editorial board of the NY Times which has oppposed “Bush’s adventure” in Iraq now be OK with, say Obama using the US Army against it’s own citizens?

Be realistic. We all know libs view consistency as the hobgoblin of little minds. Not only do they engage in double standards, they usually engage in triple or quadruple standards. I've even meant some honest libs who freely admit it.

Case in point: compare and contrast, in 500 words or less, the allegations against Clarence Thomas with the multitude of proven sexual offenses Slick Willie engaged in.

Another example, what was the attitude of the usual lib suspects to Clinton's Kosovo (Serbian) war? They loved it! It does not bother them a bit that there are still US troops there protecting Muslim terrorists who are committing genocide against Christians.

So, as usual it will come down to ends justifying the means.

If it's a leftist secession, libs will be all for it. If it's a conservative secession, expect to see the seceding states/region burned to the ground.

34 posted on 06/04/2007 11:16:42 AM PDT by Martin Tell ("It is the right, good old way you are in: keep in it.")
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