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MS 13/Al Qaeda link suspected (Congress compromised?)
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Posted on 06/04/2007 3:16:28 AM PDT by MacDorcha

After using google to search MS 13 and Al Qaeda this is what I came up with...

"According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the "American Hiroshima" and involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang and other organized crime groups. "

*snip*

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203 ------------------------------

"A top al Qaeda lieutenant has met with leaders of a violent Salvadoran criminal gang with roots in Mexico and the United States.... "

*snip*

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040928-123346-3928r.htm

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"MATAMOROS, MEXICO -- The chief officer of the American Consulate in the border city of Matamoros says he is concerned about the Central American Mara Salvatrucha gang helping al-Qaeda."

*snip*

http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/2/28/1671/MS-13-Al-Qaeda-Connection%7D

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And the only piece I could find back here on FR-

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1353152/posts


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaida; americanhiroshima; domesticterrorism; fear; gangs; illegalimmigration; immigration; islam; ms13; ms13alqaedalink; muslims; nationalsecurity; nuclearattack; wot
I know this is an old chord for the most part, but I think it needs some re-looking at. Especially in the light of the Immigration policy changes being proposed.

It's looking to me like a very real possibility that MS 13 members have found "speaking terms" with top US officials. This would explain the errant notions on the Hill for sweeping changes counter to the overwhelming (yet suprisingly stifled) majority of the people.

1 posted on 06/04/2007 3:16:32 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha

Also, Al Qaeda funding would go a long way to assisting Terrorists entry, as well as furthering the smuggling goals and effectiveness of MS 13’s biggest business- human smuggling.


2 posted on 06/04/2007 3:18:12 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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To: MacDorcha

My God, this post is a hack job. LoL. Trying to get it in before work. Gah! (that, and a lack of experience to yet give me that “master’s touch”)

Be kind all!


3 posted on 06/04/2007 3:19:41 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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To: MacDorcha
According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the "American Hiroshima"

This is old "news". This is supposed to have happen a year and half ago. Michael Wiener used to talk about this all of the time.
4 posted on 06/04/2007 3:36:15 AM PDT by Perdogg (congratulations - you have just won an ipod nano)
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To: Perdogg

Old news or not, its still something that cause me a little pause when I think about the policies being enacted these days.

I ask you personally, and everyone else simply a second time-

Could members of the Mexican group MS 13 have gotten to key players on the Hill to get such absurd policies even introduced?


5 posted on 06/04/2007 3:45:31 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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To: MacDorcha

Google isn’t a source. That’s like saying you learned something in “the library,” without providing book titles. So...how about providing an actual source or sources?


6 posted on 06/04/2007 3:47:39 AM PDT by BCrago66
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To: MacDorcha

The problem is if people cry wolf, then no one listens anymore.

I believe we need to seal our borders and account for people who are in this country legal or not. But this issue doesn’t need to be embellished.


7 posted on 06/04/2007 3:49:30 AM PDT by Perdogg (congratulations - you have just won an ipod nano)
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To: BCrago66

Because it wouldnt let me pick 3 different sources to put in the source slot.

It’s not a work’s cited page, just a link to what I used to cultivate the information I have.


8 posted on 06/04/2007 3:50:54 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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To: MacDorcha

Well, at first this comes across as industrial strength tin foil material; but after seeing that the latest amnesty bill contains the sheer idiocy of allowing z visas to gang members who say they renounce their gang memberships .. I don’t know. There is no rational explanation of why the Senate is considering something so suicidal.


9 posted on 06/04/2007 3:53:32 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Perdogg

What you are saying is a common sense answer.

I know that politicians have lied since the dawn of scum, but isn’t this one a little odd considering the situation we are in?

In the midst of fighting (and presumably winning against) a terrorist network, we all of a sudden have our own gate keepers open the gate to the enemy.

Someone go to the gate keepers.

Considering Bush’s stance and approach to the WOT, shouldn’t border security be one of the biggest ticket items their are? Why the complete abandonment of any type of logic? at least arguement in the senate? This seems to only be an issue that the “little people” can do anything about. Why?

We need to remember the little details too. Cry “foul” all you want, if the other team has a gun to the ump’s head, you lost the ballgame.


10 posted on 06/04/2007 3:58:33 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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To: Truth29

I’m glad you saw it that way. I felt that way too. It feels like I should be sipping kool-aide. But something about the context here seems different.

Let’s just say- I hope I’m just a nut-job.


11 posted on 06/04/2007 4:03:52 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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To: BCrago66
Here is a source for you.

Al Qaeda Tours and Travel

12 posted on 06/04/2007 4:07:28 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: MacDorcha

Supportive information at this link too:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420911/posts
America’s Most Dangerous Gang


13 posted on 06/04/2007 4:23:01 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks!


14 posted on 06/04/2007 4:33:17 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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To: Calpernia; MacDorcha; Truth29; Perdogg; BCrago66
The first link above was from over two years ago - and it is completely true - I'm the one who wrote it.

In the last few years I have at time posted a few updates - at one time I tried to followup on two Bangladeshis who were going to Maryland via the Mexican border. Unfortuntely I lost track of them - but believe that they are in the States now.

The most recent post on my blog gives an update from now as well as some info regarding our next election and Al Qaeda.

This isn't a joke people - did you think that only Mexicans were crossing this border? There is an entire "people moving" operation here in Southeast Asia that manipulates this and is sending as many people across the border as they can.

Rest assured that the amnesty will be not just for Mexicans but for all foreigners in the USA - and right now there is a massive rush to go before the amnesty takes place.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

15 posted on 06/04/2007 4:38:12 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: expatguy

That compilation was excellent. Big bump to you!


16 posted on 06/04/2007 5:11:53 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks Calpernia!


17 posted on 06/04/2007 5:23:29 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: expatguy
Thank you :)
18 posted on 06/04/2007 5:27:40 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: expatguy; Calpernia

Makes my steaming pile look like it’s been in the sun too long.
Lol, good job, wish I had some time...


19 posted on 06/04/2007 6:20:33 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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To: expatguy; MacDorcha

Mark it for review when you do have time. There are definite links compiled in that thread that show MS 13 are running drugs for Al Qaeda.

This is why some of our lovely ‘officials’ are fighting the wall going up.


20 posted on 06/04/2007 6:59:47 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: expatguy

Thanks for the informative link. I still find it almost impossible to believe the Congress is aiding and abetting gang members. Yet, as shown in the article at the link below, the Senate bill contains a provision that would grant amnesty to gang members who merely sign a pledge to renounce their gang ties. We could no longer deport MS-13 members after they go through this charade, for instance. What can our Senators be thinking? - Amnesty for Honest Gang Bangers by Ericka Andersen - HUMAN EVENTS
Address:http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20950


21 posted on 06/04/2007 8:05:17 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: MacDorcha

See post #21 for more insanity on amnesty for gang members.


22 posted on 06/04/2007 8:07:33 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: BCrago66
Google isn’t a source. That’s like saying you learned something in “the library,” without providing book titles. So...how about providing an actual source or sources?

One of the "sources" is WorldNutDoily. 'Nuff said.

23 posted on 06/04/2007 8:10:27 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

And another one of the sources was freerepublic.com.

Knock me about, but address it to me. And then think before ripping into someone like that.


24 posted on 06/04/2007 8:22:29 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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To: MacDorcha
And another one of the sources was freerepublic.com

Also not a "source."

Knock me about, but address it to me. And then think before ripping into someone like that.

Unless you're Joe Farah, I wasn't "ripping into" you -- I was dismissing WorldNetDaily as the whackadoodle rag that it is.

25 posted on 06/04/2007 8:44:38 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: MacDorcha

Here are just a few of the connections between Latino gangs, Mexico and Terrorism.

And even Rumsfeld put out the warning! (2005) http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/16/ldt.01.html

DOBBS: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is warning of the threat of terrorists entering this country through the same routes as those used by illegal aliens. Secretary Rumsfeld, traveling in South America, warned that enemies look for weaknesses and take advantage of them.

DONALD RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: The risk is that some of these human-smuggling routes into our country from this hemisphere could be used just as easily for terrorists.

DOBBS: And three million illegal aliens are estimated to be entering this country this year.

Secretary Rumsfeld also said the United States has to be, as he put it, smarter and quicker in securing our borders. The federal government’s failure to secure those borders is leading individual states to take action. Arizona’s Proposition 200, which limits state benefits for illegals, passed overwhelmingly two weeks ago. Now at least half a dozen other states are considering similar measures.

Consider the following 5 statements by Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson given at a Senate Floor Speech 16 March 2005
to President George.W. Bush (page S 2828).

1. “In Detroit, Mahmoud Youssef Kourani was indicted in the Eastern District of Michigan on one count of conspiracy
to provide material support to Hezbollah. Kourani was already in custody for entering the country illegally
through Mexico and was involved in fund raising activities on behalf of Hezbollah.”
2. “...the capture of terrorist suspect Jose Padilla. The Justice Department says Padilla and an accomplice planned
to enter the United States through Mexico to blow up apartment buildings in major cities such as New York.”
3. “Or the case of suspected al-Qaida sleeper agent Mohammed Junaid Babar, who told investigators of a scheme
to smuggle terrorists across the Mexican border. He is tied to a terror plot to carry out bombings and
assassinations in London.”
4. “Intelligence reports suggesting that 25 Chechen terrorism suspects have illegally entered the United States from
Mexico have refocused attention on a porous border from which many believe the next major attack on
Americans could come.”
5. “Also last July, an Egyptian man United States authorities described as one of their most wanted smugglers of
humans was arrested on charges of operating a ring that illegally brought people from Egypt and other Middle
Eastern countries to the United States. The indictment says Abdallah and his associates would direct people
seeking to reach the United States to travel to one of several Latin American countries, and from there to
Guatemala. They would then be transported to America through Mexico in return for payments of thousands of
dollars in smuggling fees.”

It is blatantly obvious even to the most casual reader that Islamic terrorists have been, and continue to, cross the
U.S./Mexico border into America.
http://www.rlsinternationalsecurity.com/sites/southernborder.html

Mexican border as a terror risk | csmonitor.com
WASHINGTON – Concern is growing at the top levels of government about the US-Mexican border becoming a back door for terrorists entering the United States. ...
www.csmonitor.com/2005/0322/p01s01-uspo.html

Al-Qaida Operative Nabbed Near Mexican Border
An al-Qaida operative who was on the FBI’s terrorist watch list was recently captured near the Mexican border, housed in a Texas jail and turned over to ...
www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/20/151654.shtml

Chechen terrorists probed - The Washington Times: Nation/Politics ...
... terrorists illegally entered the United States from Mexico in July. ... Middle Eastern men were recently caught trying to cross the border from Mexico. ...
washingtontimes.com/national/20041013-121643-5028r.htm

Texas Sheriffs Say Terrorists Entering US from Mexico — 08/21/2006
The Texas Sheriffs’ Border Coalition believes those individuals are likely terrorists and that drug cartels and some members of the Mexican military are ...
www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=/SpecialReports/archive/200608/SPE20060821a.html

First Warn 5 Weather
Suspected terrorists are hiding inside the U.S. and they got here by sneaking across the Mexican border. What we’ve been reporting for more than a year has ...
www.newschannel5.tv/2006/11/2/30781/-Al-Qaeda-Leader—Materials-Smuggled-Across-Border- - 14k - May 20, 2007

DailyBulletin.com - Of special interest
“Intelligence indicates that terrorist organizations are increasingly probing the U.S.-Mexico border,” El Paso County Sheriff Leo Samaniego told the House ...
www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4917114

Hezbollah builds a Western base - Nightly News with Brian Williams ...
The CIA singles out the Mexican border as an especially inviting target for ... Since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the Tri-border has become a ...
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17874369/

Bordering On Nukes? | TIME
The Mexican border will get a closer look ... discuss border security and smuggling rings that could be used to slip al-Qaeda terrorists into the country. ...
www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101041122-782068,00.html

cbs11tv.com - Texas Border Vulnerable To Terrorists
Since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, arrests of Special Interest Aliens have increased forty-one percent along the Texas/Mexico border and ...
cbs11tv.com/topstories/local_story_297214049.html

While security fears stoke support for barrier, wall’s merits for ...
For one thing, they said, none of the terrorists known to have committed or tried to commit acts of violence on U.S. soil came across the Mexican border. ...
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/02/26/MNGTLGQ25E129.DTL

Al Qaeda seeks tie to local gangs - The Washington Times: Nation ...
... in the Washington area — in an effort by the terrorist network to seek help infiltrating the US-Mexico border, law enforcement authorities said.
www.washtimes.com/national/20040928-123346-3928r.htm

Organized Crime and Terrorist Activity in Mexico, 1999-2002
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Criminal and Terrorist Activity in Mexico. 3. INTRODUCTION. Since 1999, trans-border criminal organizations based in Mexico have adapted to meet a ...
www.loc.gov/rr/frd/pdf-files/OrgCrime_Mexico.pdf

FIRE Coalition
U.S.-Mexican Border as a Terror Risk: Recent intelligence gives the most evidence yet of terrorist plans. Lawmakers push for tighter security. ...
www.firecoalition.com/bordersecterr.shtml


26 posted on 06/04/2007 9:00:09 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: MacDorcha
It's looking to me like a very real possibility that MS 13 members have found "speaking terms" with top US officials.

Saddamn did. It's not a stretch to think someone else might. DC is a cesspool.

27 posted on 06/04/2007 9:01:53 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Truth29; All

I, on th eother hand, find it all too plausible that some, and perhaps many in Congress have been bought & paid for by our enemies. Simple, brazen stupidity alone cannot account
for the seeming madness of the “shamnesty” bill and many other instances of malfeasance Congress has been guilty of over the past 6 years.
Unlimited amounts of money can buy almost anything, particularly when dealing with politicians who’d sell their souls to achieve ever more power. That applies to all too many of both parties.
I don’t know who, or how, but I am absolutely convinced some Congress-critters and Senators have been bought & paid for by AQ or others hostile to America.
Either that or we’ve managed to elect the dumbest people in America to write our laws.
Either way, the situation stinks to high heaven.


28 posted on 06/04/2007 9:14:31 AM PDT by 95 Bravo ("Freedom is not free.")
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To: expatguy
Hey, I've got a great idea!

Let's give them all citizenship, Green Cards, or Z-Visas for life. Oh, we'll also do a *24 hour* background check on them (and I'm sure they'll all give us their correct name to check, especially the terrorist or criminal types) before we let them roam free in the entire country at will. Oh, and if they are in vicious gangs like MS-13 we'll also make them "renounce" their gang affiliation (unless they're laughing too hard). Yeah, that'll work. Oh, wait,... we are already doing that. Never mind.

29 posted on 06/04/2007 10:52:15 AM PDT by Gritty (The only concession the pro-illegal immigration crowd makes is to honesty - Debra J. Saunders)
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To: AuntB

Wow! I’m going to need some time to absorb all that info. Thanks Aunt B!

Bump!


30 posted on 06/04/2007 9:11:07 PM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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