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Immigration's bad guys
Los Angeles Times ^ | June 5, 2007 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 06/05/2007 5:47:35 AM PDT by gpapa

ENOUGH Emma Lazarus. For many of us, the definitive pro-immigration speech comes from Bill Murray in "Stripes": "We're all very different people. We're not Watusi, we're not Spartans, we're Americans. With a capital 'A.' And you know what that means? Do you? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts…. But there's no animal that's more faithful, that's more loyal, more lovable than the mutt. Who saw 'Old Yeller'? … I cried my eyes out."

Murray's speech may lack poetry and intellectual rigor, but most Americans have a similar visceral attachment to our national immigration story. To be perceived as anti-immigration is to be seen as un-American.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: buildthewall; bush; enforcethelaws; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; mexicans; nativist

1 posted on 06/05/2007 5:47:36 AM PDT by gpapa
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To: gpapa

a dying horse tends to crap a lot.


2 posted on 06/05/2007 5:54:16 AM PDT by MinimizeGovernment (cynic: One who knows that political decisions are always made in the self-interest of the politician)
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To: gpapa
The LA Slimes is so pathetic, they have to quote a crappy B-movie. Anything to sell America down the river... And Stripes was a crappy movie degrading to our military. Traitors...
3 posted on 06/05/2007 5:55:06 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: gpapa
Jonah Goldberg gets the narrative wrong. Americans like and admire legal immigrants, who come here in compliance in our laws and who wait a long time for the cherished privilege of becoming an American citizen. As a first generation legal immigrant, I can you that's a special feeling. I'm an American by naturalization. There is no difference between me and Americans born here. What Americans resent are people who flout our laws and then demand a reward for it. The politicians oblige. If we're against this, its not because we're rakes who've forgotten America's greatest success story; on the contrary its because we're attached to the idea of patriotism and expect everyone to honor flag and country. Its our elites who have insulted what we hold dear in our hearts.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

4 posted on 06/05/2007 5:59:09 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Let’s shut down the borders and the smuggling... but when you go after Stripes, you go too far.


5 posted on 06/05/2007 6:04:12 AM PDT by FremontLives (The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Well, let's think about that movie a bit. The context of the speech was that Bill Murray's unit of misfits had accidentally "fragged" its SGT. with a grenade, and Murray took over the chore of making the unit capable of passing final inspection. After giving the pep talk, he molded the disparate group into . . . a singular, cohesive unit (you might even say, an American society) in which they had indeed become soldiers. So much so, in fact, that by the final scene, they performed intricate drills that the other "regular" units could not---all because they had given up their "individuality" (in this context, their previous nationality) and become one with the "unit," i.e., America.

Put that in your little crack pipe and smoke it, LA Times.

6 posted on 06/05/2007 6:06:19 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: goldstategop
If you read the whole article, you'll discover he doesn't get the narrative wrong at all.

He's warning conservatives they should not accept the stereotyping of themselves as anti-immigrant when they're not.

7 posted on 06/05/2007 6:06:58 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: gpapa

A good read. Goldberg evicerates the politicians calling conservatives racist. I’m surprised the LA Times ran it.


8 posted on 06/05/2007 6:09:24 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: FremontLives
Stripes was a crappy movie that portrayed our military as a bunch of idiots...

There is nothing comical about being a United States' soldier.

9 posted on 06/05/2007 6:12:18 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Lakeshark
We're anti-ILLEGAL immigrant. No conservative has ever been against legal immigration. Somehow the Democrats have pulled off a neat political trick conflating the two. People know there's a difference and its a moral one. But that tell to those closed minds convinced we're bigots and racists.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 06/05/2007 6:12:42 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: LadyNavyVet

They were probably in a hurry and did not read the entire thing before publishing it. It could happen!


11 posted on 06/05/2007 6:13:54 AM PDT by twonie (Keep your guns - and stockpile ammo.)
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To: gpapa
Even girly bow-tie wearing neogays like Goldberg get a few items right sometimes. As he does with this article.

Americans have no problem with LEGAL immigrants because almost all of us are related to such folks. Folks that came here legally..DUH!

When will the president come out for legalized murder, rape, burglary, etc? If you can have legal immigration and illegal immigration why not?

12 posted on 06/05/2007 6:17:29 AM PDT by heywaitadarnminute (This post happens between 12 AM and 12 PM)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
There is nothing comical about being a United States' soldier.

You have clearly never been drinking with soldiers.

Either that, you were the humorless 2nd LT that was mercilessly mocked... and in hilarious ways.

13 posted on 06/05/2007 6:20:53 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: goldstategop

Except it’s not the Democrats conflating the two this time. It’s our very own President, his cabinet members and spokespeople and several “Republican” Senators. I don’t mind being called racist by liberals, since namecalling is all they know. But when members of my own party do it, I get outraged.

What Bush et al don’t seem to have realized is that when you have to resort to namecalling, you’ve already lost the argument.


14 posted on 06/05/2007 6:20:57 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: Teacher317

So true. Sometimes, in the military, humor is all that keeps you going.


15 posted on 06/05/2007 6:22:15 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: Teacher317
You have clearly never been drinking with soldiers.

Either that, you were the humorless 2nd LT that was mercilessly mocked... and in hilarious ways.

I was a W-5... I earned what I got...

16 posted on 06/05/2007 6:24:40 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: LS

Not quite right. As I remember it, the sergeant was indeed injured accidentally, but it was not the fault of his men, but of an idiot officer.


17 posted on 06/05/2007 6:26:02 AM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: goldstategop
Jonah Goldberg gets the narrative wrong. Americans like and admire legal immigrants, who come here in compliance in our laws and who wait a long time for the cherished privilege of becoming an American citizen. As a first generation legal immigrant, I can you that's a special feeling. I'm an American by naturalization. There is no difference between me and Americans born here. What Americans resent are people who flout our laws and then demand a reward for it. The politicians oblige. If we're against this, its not because we're rakes who've forgotten America's greatest success story; on the contrary its because we're attached to the idea of patriotism and expect everyone to honor flag and country. Its our elites who have insulted what we hold dear in our hearts.

You need to email this to Jonah Goldberg.

18 posted on 06/05/2007 6:33:19 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: LS

Good analogy.


19 posted on 06/05/2007 6:38:25 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: gpapa

`Groundhog Day’ was a better movie and more relevant to the issue of the invasion of our country by Mexicans, and President Bush’s attempt to apologize to them while insulting/demeaning his base.
And Caddyshack. Coneheads. And the Chevy Chase films.
All deeply allegorical. Yeah, pure fried gold, Jonah.


20 posted on 06/05/2007 6:47:30 AM PDT by tumblindice (Neo-cons: hasta la vista, nino)
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To: Teacher317

Go for it! There is something comical about everything if you look. And if you’re not looking, you’re in big trouble. And, yes, I do like a good laugh as much as (probably better than) the next guy.


21 posted on 06/05/2007 6:53:26 AM PDT by twonie (Keep your guns - and stockpile ammo.)
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To: gpapa

TURN THE ENEMIES WEAPON AGAINST HIM

Call the “Senate Immigration Reform Hotline” at 1 800 417 7666
Press 1 for your senior senator, 2 for your junior senator.

This will connect you DIRECTLY to your senator without going through the congressional switchboard.

JAM THE LINES. LET THEM HEAR OUR ANGER AND FURY.


22 posted on 06/05/2007 7:29:38 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: gpapa

I don’t consider myself refuse...She speaks for herself and from authority on trash...She doesn’t speak for me...

But, I will in the future, direct any gaseous erruption, in her general direction to make her feel at home...

“...would you like some more beans there Mr. Taggart???”


23 posted on 06/05/2007 7:49:25 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: gpapa

“Murray’s speech may lack poetry and intellectual rigor, but most Americans have a similar visceral attachment to our national immigration story. To be perceived as anti-immigration is to be seen as un-American.”

Well...To reiterate...

She can crawl up real close behind me and I ‘ll be glad to give her something “similarly visceral”...


24 posted on 06/05/2007 7:51:34 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Well when the rubber hits the road and you have to take the hill...Then you betcha...

But during times that become monotonous,humor and practical jokes kept us from being bored...And the humor was spent at everyone regardless of rank...It went up and down the chain...

My first C.O. on the ship I was assigned to was he direct victim of a real doozy...And look at him now, he’s the superintendant of the Naval Academy...He’s a better person for it...I’d like to lay claim to it as well...

Good things happen to good people, and if you never caught a good one, it meant no one particularly cared about ya...That makes for a miserable enlistment or commission...


25 posted on 06/05/2007 8:05:56 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: Christopher Lincoln

I’ll have to look at it, but I’m pretty sure one of the dummies in the squad pulled the grenade pin.


26 posted on 06/05/2007 9:42:29 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: stevie_d_64

I was in the Army. It was my job to take everything seriously. I did and it made me the better man.


27 posted on 06/05/2007 11:49:07 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Kozak

Call the democrat donation hot line it is free 1-877-336-7200 I have never donated to the dems doubt I ever will, but they dont know that.. I told them just what I told the RNC, and the lady was mumbling all over herself..


28 posted on 06/05/2007 11:58:08 AM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: gpapa

I agree with Bill Murry’s take on mutts. But what the LA Slimes will not say is that a mutt, once he had found a good home becomes very faithful to that home. I just don’t see that in alot of Mexicans.


29 posted on 06/05/2007 12:41:40 PM PDT by glaseatr (Proud Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep A. 2/5 Cav. KIA Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood; FremontLives
There is nothing comical about being a United States' soldier.

Geez "Francis", no wonder you don't see the humor in "Stripes"! LOL! Blackbird.

30 posted on 06/05/2007 1:05:22 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Just when you think it can't possibly get any worse, another day dawns!)
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To: gpapa
CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them. This is a bipartisan issue not a Conservative or Liberal issue BUT AN AMERICAN issue.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

31 posted on 06/05/2007 1:16:14 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: BlackbirdSST

I don’t see anything humorous in the mocking of our military by Hollywood and their left wing actors.


32 posted on 06/05/2007 5:52:58 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I don’t see anything humorous in the mocking of our military by Hollywood and their left wing actors.

"Lighten up Francis!", is a widely used quote from that comedy. Did you take that personally? I'm an Army Vet too Chief and I still LMAO when I watch it, and yet was still able to take my job seriously. FE on a Chinook will do that to you. It's just not worth being wrapped that tight brother. Blackbird.

33 posted on 06/05/2007 7:38:36 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Just when you think it can't possibly get any worse, another day dawns!)
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To: BlackbirdSST

I had too many people depending on me to care about movies or what some lunatic actor had to say in one, I was infantry in real life. Maybe that explains my paygrade.

People value trash more than the soldier.

Take all that money spent on crap coming from Hollywood and give it to the real heroes.


34 posted on 06/05/2007 7:55:46 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Take all that money spent on crap coming from Hollywood and give it to the real heroes.

You mean monies that Americans FReely earn then FReely spend? I think NOT Comrade. Blackbird.

35 posted on 06/06/2007 1:46:16 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Just when you think it can't possibly get any worse, another day dawns!)
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To: BlackbirdSST

People value trash more than the soldier.


36 posted on 06/06/2007 2:09:51 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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