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Immigration bill: Go ahead--break the law! Who cares?
Renew America ^ | June 4, 2007 | Wes Vernon

Posted on 06/05/2007 8:31:10 AM PDT by AuntB

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To: DManA

arbatrar = arbitrary.


21 posted on 06/05/2007 8:51:50 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Ancesthntr

Only those who are favored by the government are allowed to ignore the law. It takes the natural order of things and stands it on its head...


22 posted on 06/05/2007 8:52:42 AM PDT by Loyolas Mattman
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To: DManA
Since everone's a law breaker, everyone is even more firmly controled by the state.

It's cat and mouse. Nothing new there. There's always someone trying to rain on yer parade, whether it's the state police or just some local goons. That's human nature. Hell, it's just plain nature. So, what to do? Obey every law for the sake of it?

My point is that simply complaining about "lawbreaking" is pointless. Everyone breaks laws. The problem with illegal immigration isn't that it's illegal. The problem is that it's unregulated. We would like to know who's coming in, how many, etc.

23 posted on 06/05/2007 8:54:10 AM PDT by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: Loyolas Mattman

Are you kidding? Everyone ignores the law at one time or another.


24 posted on 06/05/2007 8:54:59 AM PDT by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: SQUID
I am firmly convinced that Bush has lost his mind.

I thought so too, but the more plausable theory is that he is doing everything possible to get Hillary elected, so we will feel nostalgic for the Bush oligarcy after four or eight years of her misrule.

Then it will be Jeb's turn.

25 posted on 06/05/2007 8:55:01 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: AuntB
More laws to be ignored

Spot on! Since our government lacks the will to deal with the 12+ million illegals (too many to deal with), somehow this deal allows the bureaucrats to deal with them now? Give me a break. Fix the leaky pipe by shutting off the water - secure the border, conduct sweeps, slam employers of illegals and remove the anchor baby clause. Then we can address the 'leak'.

26 posted on 06/05/2007 8:55:51 AM PDT by Godzilla (Liberalism - a mental disease)
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To: Ancesthntr
CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY I SHOULDN’T?!

Would be a poor decision, and doubly so for talking about such a poor decision. The guy up the street reasoned thus and he didn't enjoy his three years in Leavenworth.

27 posted on 06/05/2007 8:57:49 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Ancesthntr
It's harder to address this part:

or objectively interpreted

Congress just passes a template law and lets the lawyers figure out what it means at any given point in time. Many professions are being augmented if not replaced by computerized expert systems. Lawyers have no fear of that. The law is too irrational to deal with logically. It's a big pile of mud that skilled practitioners can shape anyway they please.

28 posted on 06/05/2007 8:58:17 AM PDT by DManA
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To: AuntB
A throwback to President Clinton's Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders, who proclaimed the problem with criminals could be found in "the root causes"...

The "root cause" of crime is selfishness. In other words, criminals are criminals because they choose to do something illegal, usually because they will gain from it in some way. It's a decision.

Yes, many things influence that decision and can sometimes strongly persuade a person to commit crime, but the bottom line is that it's a choice.

29 posted on 06/05/2007 8:58:45 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: Huck

Yeah, but the difference is you (i.e. John or Jane Q. Public) have to pay the consequences if you get caught “ignoring” a law.

On the other hand, this bill removes virtually all meaningful disincentives to being in the country illegally.


30 posted on 06/05/2007 8:59:35 AM PDT by Loyolas Mattman
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To: AuntB

Again asked my auto insurance company to reduce my premiums if I run more stop signs and lights.

They ain’t goin for it....


31 posted on 06/05/2007 9:01:18 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: Huck

Make no mistake, this is essentially a government-sponsored inflation of the rights and privileges associated with United States citizenship.

Too many “citizens” chasing too few government-sponsored resources = problems.


32 posted on 06/05/2007 9:05:38 AM PDT by Loyolas Mattman
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To: AuntB

Illegal Mexican nationals are not merely a protected group, they are a *favored* group, and have been for years.

In the Los(t) Angeles area, examples of this abound. The message: Illegals are your betters. Pay them, help them, give them your respect or else!

It’s absolutely insane — but at least for the present, we have to adapt to this reality. I’m sure mandatory Spanish lessons for Americans everywhere isn’t far off.


33 posted on 06/05/2007 9:05:52 AM PDT by Mugwump (Better Living Through Sarcasm)
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ping


34 posted on 06/05/2007 9:08:47 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: AuntB

2 — The “temporary” Z-visa can actually be renewed every four years, or until the visa holder dies, and would allow the holder many privileges (work, attend college, travel, and re-enter) that are denied legal law-abiding aliens holding normal visas.

It’s a permanent, temporary visa—why, that’s doubleplusgood!
(Nothing’s too good for our permanent guest-worker/slaves.)


35 posted on 06/05/2007 9:12:13 AM PDT by tumblindice (Hi there! I'm from the Ministry of Truth and I'm here to help you, first by fastening this cage of r)
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To: RightWhale; Ancesthntr
If 12 million people refused to pay their taxes, the IRS couldn't possibly do anything about it, could it? After all, how could the IRS possibly round up 12 million people who only broke one single law, for the innocent purpose of providing a better future for their children? Wouldn't it be cruel to break up families and take children's college money away, only because their parents in desperation broke one little law, by not paying any taxes?

< sarcasm/ >

36 posted on 06/05/2007 9:12:28 AM PDT by sanchmo
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To: sanchmo

Right. That’s a difference between citizens with some national tradition and foreigners with some alien tradition.


37 posted on 06/05/2007 9:14:41 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: AuntB

Reminds me of Shaespeare’s Henry VI
“first thing we do is - - - - all the lawyers”


38 posted on 06/05/2007 9:16:15 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Brad Cloven
Break the Law: Get a Tax Break!

I'm no tax expert...
But I suspect this "comprehensive immigration reform" give
tax amnesty to both the illegal immigrants, the idenity thieves
amongst them...
AND THE PERFIDIOUS U.S. citizens that employed them.
So they'd never have to fund their illegal-immigrant employees'
Social Security, FICA and other legal tax obligations.

A sane government would find, try, convict and deport some of
the illegals AND imprison some of those perfidious bosses.

Of course, we don't have a sane government, except for the likes
of Senator Jeff Sessions.
39 posted on 06/05/2007 9:16:25 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Huck
Everyone ignores the law at one time or another.

Try telling that to a judge if you're caught and prosecuted. I'm sure they will be sympathetic.

40 posted on 06/05/2007 9:17:09 AM PDT by Prokopton
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