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Scouts' forest chapel torn down after 70 years because it might offend non-Christians[UK]
Daily Mail ^ | 01 June 2007 | Dan Newling

Posted on 06/05/2007 12:23:33 PM PDT by BGHater

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To: BGHater

Oh. So it was torn down, not because it DOES offend someone, but because it MIGHT offend someone.

Sheesh. 1984 has arrived.


51 posted on 06/05/2007 1:35:11 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: BGHater

Wierd, when the Christians became established in England they destroyed the druid groves.... I don’t see how you can call it anything else but religious warfare when you destroy the shrine of another’s religion.

And, no, no way, no how, would they think of doing this if it was a Muslim place of worship.


52 posted on 06/05/2007 1:50:12 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: Arthalion

Thanks for the insight. It was very enlightening.


53 posted on 06/05/2007 1:59:47 PM PDT by Frapster (Don't mind me - I'm distracted by the pretty lights.)
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To: Arthalion

Good answer.

I was a scout but dropped out when I became an atheist. Hopefully by the time I have kids they’ll let them in.

But when I was in, not only was every kid Christian, everyone was Catholic also (Southern Louisiana) but the only time religion got involved is when meetings opened. It ain’t sunday school, it ain’t bible camp, its the Scouts and everyone who would respect them should be able to get in.


54 posted on 06/05/2007 2:21:50 PM PDT by Raymann
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To: BGHater

Later pingout.


55 posted on 06/05/2007 2:59:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Covenantor

Boy Scout Oath, Law, Motto, and Slogan

Scout Oath

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

Scout Law

TRUSTWORTHY
A Scout tells the truth. He keeps his promises. Honesty is part of his code of conduct. People can depend on him.

LOYAL
A Scout is true to his family, Scout leaders, friends, school, and nation.

HELPFUL
A Scout is concerned about other people. He does things willingly for others without pay or reward.

FRIENDLY
A Scout is a friend to all. He is a brother to other Scouts. He seeks to understand others. He respects those with ideas and customs other than his own.

COURTEOUS
A Scout is polite to everyone regardless of age or position. He knows good manners make it easier for people to get along together.

KIND
A Scout understands there is strength in being gentle. He treats others as he wants to be treated. He does not hurt or kill harmless things without reason.

OBEDIENT
A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobey them.

CHEERFUL
A Scout looks for the bright side of things. He cheerfully does tasks that come his way. He tries to make others happy.

THRIFTY
A Scout works to pay his way and to help others. He saves for unforeseen needs. He protects and conserves natural resources. He carefully uses time and property.

BRAVE
A Scout can face danger even if he is afraid. He has the courage to stand for what he thinks is right even if others laugh at or threaten him.

CLEAN
A Scout keeps his body and mind fit and clean. He goes around with those who believe in living by these same ideals. He helps keep his home and community clean.

REVERENT
A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.

Scout Motto.......Be Prepared

Scout Slogan.........Do a Good Turn Daily


56 posted on 06/05/2007 4:21:28 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: HamiltonJay; RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; ...
Scouts ARE a CHRISTIAN BASED ORGANIZATION!! While they do allow members of other faiths in, make no mistake that they are Christian based....

Such a strong declaratory statement. You came to make because......?

57 posted on 06/05/2007 4:21:41 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: BGHater
One of the best scouts I know is pagan. He believes in God. He just is not a Christian. He and the others in his troop who are pagan still had an opening prayer at his Eagle Scout court of honor and show respect to Christianity.

The only people probably offended are the PC knuckleheads.

58 posted on 06/05/2007 4:26:05 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: SandRat

Silly me, thinking the Scouts are an organization for people of any religion! Even if they can’t describe the particularities of their religious beliefs, all they have to do is acknowledge some belief in a Higher Power, as the saying goes.


59 posted on 06/05/2007 4:44:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Oh, a Queen may love her subjects in her heart, and yet be dog-wearied of ’em in body and mind.")
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To: SandRat

Good job SandRat because Boy Scouts is not a “Christian” organization. I have heard it said that BSA does not care if you worship a rock in your back yard as long as you reverence something. As a scouter and a Christian I would be happy if scouts changed the DRP to something along the AA lines of acknowledging a power higher than myself. Some may chose to call their higher power God some may reverence the federal government or the ideals of scouting. Remember the LDS has the most units chartered of any organization, so if you are railing against a certain presidential candidate on the basis of his faith then scouts is not your bag either. Come one come all we stand ready to try to build some character in young men. There are even uber-liberals involved in scouting as well as conservatives.


60 posted on 06/05/2007 4:49:44 PM PDT by scottteng (Proud parent of a Star scout.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Tell you what. Come get me when the Muslims go after St. Paul's Or better yet Westminster. Or even the Methodist building just across the street from Westminster. Heck let me know if they decide to take down the statue to Wesley in the back garden of St. Paul's. Then I may get upset.

I'm an Eagle Scout and except for putting together one small project for a church I wasn't even a member of, God was not mentioned or discussed except as one word in the pledge. And my troop was sponsored by a church!! I'm not going to lose it because they take down a woodland chapel. If a Christian goes there and communes with God does it matter if the 'right' structure is there? Does it make God there any less somehow if it's not there?

We're talking about something that was there less than 70 years.

61 posted on 06/05/2007 4:52:49 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: HamiltonJay; All
Scouts ARE a CHRISTIAN BASED ORGANIZATION!! While they do allow members of other faiths in, make no mistake that they are Christian based....

Such a strong declaratory statement. You came to make this declatation because......?



Well.....????

62 posted on 06/05/2007 6:40:12 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: billbears
We're talking about something that was there less than 70 years.

Go ahead, Sonnie, keep kissing Islamofascist ass and see where it gets you.

64 posted on 06/05/2007 7:51:37 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: BGHater
That's nuts.

As a wise man said, "It's time to push back the liberal hordes folks."

66 posted on 06/05/2007 7:53:34 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: muawiyah

Very very few people, of any stripe, are my friends.


67 posted on 06/05/2007 8:03:30 PM PDT by Shion (Hunter 2008! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Go ahead, Sonnie, keep kissing Islamofascist ass and see where it gets you.

I'm not 'kissing' anyone's ass. I just want to know why not even a building is more important to you than what's in someone's heart. And you keep believing Islam is going to overrun the UK in a generation with the 'mosque on every corner'. If I were you, I wouldn't leave your neighborhood. 'They' may be outside of your neighborhood. Leaves more room on the plane for me

68 posted on 06/05/2007 8:22:00 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Doctor Raoul; BGHater
Guys, when my two Uncles, Bill and John, came back from fighting in WW-II, they spent their spare time building a Boy Scout Camp with several other veterans. Yes, they included a Chapel in the Camp.

I enjoyed many excursions to that Camp as a Boy Scout, and it wasn't until years later that I understood that building the Camp was a sort of 'therapy' for them, after enduring six years of war.

Times may change, and fads come-and-go, but Duty and Honour are timeless, and are part of the foundation of The Boy Scouts.

This left-wing 'political-correctness' now infecting Western Civilization is wrong, and if allowed to continue unchecked, will destroy us.

Semper Fidelis and Semper Paratus, friends ............... FRegards

69 posted on 06/05/2007 8:31:50 PM PDT by gonzo (In Florida, inmates make cigarettes in jail that I buy, and I can go to jail for smoking one! WTF?)
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To: BGHater

Why not just make the cross removable?

I’ve been to alot of “chaples” in my years in scouting- I’m having trouble remembering seeing one with a permanent fixture to any religion.

We were based in a church, but we had jewish kids. It was never an issue when the cross was displayed, and we got to go to a synagog (sp?) to learn about hebrew customs.

While it sounds like appeasment to many, I think they just got carried away with the moment, or they wanted it to be something an entir troop could do, not just two or three in a matter of minutes.

(If they wanted to specifically not offend muslims, they would have made pains to make the camfire face Mecca and provide prayer rugs. While not addressed in the article, I’d like to suggest that maybe the Scouts hadn’t even considered such actions. As with all news, we do not know the full story)


70 posted on 06/06/2007 12:53:41 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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To: hershey
"They should tear down Stonehenge...it might offend someone."

Now that there are two of us, I propose that we incorporate, solicit funds, and initiate a riot or two...

Continued state support of Stonehinge is an insult to Druidic Doubters everywhere!

71 posted on 06/06/2007 1:01:02 AM PDT by norton
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To: billbears

Ping!

Bump!

(and all that!)

I echo you in mind, and experience.

Good post!


72 posted on 06/06/2007 1:03:07 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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To: billbears
I just want to know why not even a building is more important to you than what's in someone's heart.

Isn't that sweet?

Well, Sonnie, you're going to get to find out first hand what is "in their hearts," since the subway bombings didn't seem to register with you.

Mohammed likely to top British boys' names list by year-end

Soon there WILL be a mosque on every London street corner, because you will soon be in the minority (unless you're a Muslim, which I suspect you are).

73 posted on 06/06/2007 6:18:30 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Well, Sonnie, you're going to get to find out first hand what is "in their hearts," since the subway bombings didn't seem to register with you.

Oh they registered alright. And the reason behind them registered as well. Ever read any Sun-Tzu? Perhaps you may want to look into it.

Soon there WILL be a mosque on every London street corner, because you will soon be in the minority (unless you're a Muslim, which I suspect you are).

I don't know, there's a lot of street corners in London. But don't worry. In your fevered state, I'm sure you'll imagine every one of them with a mosque

And you can suspect till you're blue in the face. I'm the son of a Southern Baptist pastor. Born and raised SB and a strong believer in Jesus Christ. So no you're wrong again.

74 posted on 06/06/2007 6:37:41 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: BGHater

If non-Christians were offended by having to hold ceremonies in a chapel with a cross, why didn’t they get a bunch of people out into the woods with axes and saws and shovels and build their own chapel? Why did they have to destroy this chapel?


75 posted on 06/06/2007 6:41:06 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Arthalion; Frapster; HamiltonJay

The Scouting movement has never been a Christian-based organization from it’s inception on. Anyone stating that it was hasn’t done their homework.

To my knowledge, Wiccans are NOT excluded from either the BSA or Scouting in general. I have heard that the BSA rejected a proposal for a Wiccan religious award. However, that was based on the issue that there is no central Wiccan authority that has the authority to do this. If you are aware of any individual or group of Wiccans that have been barred from participating in the BSA or Scouting in general, I’d like to hear about it.


76 posted on 06/06/2007 7:04:20 AM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF

I never said the scouts did not allow members of other faiths, so I’m not sure why this is directed at me. However as someone involved in scouting I can tell you you are crazy if you don’t believe it is a Christian based organization.

Check the chartering organizations of all Boy Scout troops, you’ll find a very common theme, and it sure isn’t Islam or Wicca, or anything else.

Other religions are allowed as members, as are athiests etc, but if you think the organization is not based on Christian principles, you haven’t done much scouting.


77 posted on 06/06/2007 7:09:56 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

Certainly the BSA has principles that are congruent with Christian principles, but that does not make it a Christian organization. And the fact that a great many organizations that sponsor it’s units are Christian churches is hardly surprising in a country where most churches are Christian churches. Note, too, that about 40% of units are not sponsored by any kind of religious organization at all; they are sponsored by schools, businesses, VFW’s, American Legion posts, etc., etc.

I’ll have some quotes later after I get home and can pull down my older handbooks, but from it’s very inception the BSA specifically noted that America’s spiritual foundation includes Christianity, Judaism, and Native American spirituality, and that the BSA takes it’s cue from that. And Baden-Powell was initially accused by a group of Church of England clerics that he was trying to start a new religion that would substitute for Christianity, so it’s pretty clear that he wasn’t being viewed as starting a Christian organization.


78 posted on 06/06/2007 9:17:59 AM PDT by RonF
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To: HamiltonJay
..as someone involved in scouting..

Involved how? To what exent? For how long? What Dist? What Council?

79 posted on 06/06/2007 7:19:05 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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