Posted on 06/06/2007 6:14:12 AM PDT by ikez78
WASHINGTON – It has been denied, downplayed, overlooked, forgotten, disregarded and omitted from the public record.
But a thorough review of open-source material demonstrates conclusive and widespread cooperation between former members of Saddam Hussein's Baathist regime and terrorists from the Iraqi al-Qaida network.
Dozens of former Saddam Hussein loyalists captured by U.S.-led coalition forces in Iraq were found to be working with al-Qaida or linked to their operations.
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
Saddam and terrorism PING
bttt
So what? The problem is that American troops are getting blown up just standing by the roadside. There is no “war” to fight. We have misplayed the military hand. Who cares if we can justify it?
Excellent article. The most surprising thing in the Iraqi documents is that they showed much stronger relationship between Saddam regime and islamic terrorism including Al Qaeda than anyone ever thought before.
Or just should I call you “Ambassador Vinomori” because you work at State Department and are disgruntled that the Bush team neocons ignored your proposals for a diplomatic solution to neutralizing an Iraqi govt that was defying 17 UN resolutions and actively but surreptitiously aiding and abetting sworn enemies of America who had managed to kill 3000 American civilians on US homeland soil in a 3 hour period?
Anyhow. it’s nice hearin’ from ya. I’m sure those soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan welcome the opportunity to give their lives for your right to think and say any damn dumb thing you want to.
God bless our troops.
Dick Cheney has been adamant about the intelligence backing the links. Also James Woolsey (former Clinton-ear CIA director)
lol
World Nut Daily beating a dead horse with imaginary links again I see. Nothing new. Funny though. If everything was going peachy in Iraq, why is Crazy Joe still trying to make justification for going to Iraq in the first place?
Correct.
John, John McCain—Is that you???
Well I don’t think a guy sitting at home in the U.S. is hurting the troops and Generals in Iraq trying to accomplish things and moving forward.
It’s not possible to examine history anymore unless a war is over?
beating a dead horse?
Ok...
BTW, what is your definition of “peachy” conditions in Iraq? The pre-war conditions? The conditions where Saddam and his psychopath thug sons were picking Iraqi citizens off the streets and out of their villages in droves for the sheer joy of torture? The situation where the USAF/USN were flying air sorties (and being shot at) 24/7 to try and enforce 17 UN resolutions and economic sanctions the libs decried as killing Iraqi children? The situation where Saddam was selling Iraq’s oil to pay bribes to the UN officials to keep up a charade of concern about ongoing WMD research and human rights violations of genocidal proportion? The situation where some of that oil money was going into the hands of terrorist to train jihadis to blow up American aircraft. ships embassies and cities?
Those peachy conditions?
LLS
And exactly where is it in the Constitution it is our business to enforce resolutions of a world government. They want their resolutions enforced, let them do it.
Ya know, just plain old common sense tells you that there was a connection simply by how fast the Sunnis and Baathist officials aligned themselves with Abu Musab al Zarqawi to fight the “occupation.”
And it's already known that Abu Musab al Zarqawi came to Iraq after Afghanistan fell. and that they assinated US diplomat Foley in Jordan while it was planned from Iraq and they planned the foiled chemical attack in Jordan which was to strike both Jordan and American intersts. All this before the start of the Iraq war.
Have I ever shown you this link? It's the actual transcript of the confession from Jordan TV from al Zarqawi's men about the planned chemical attack on Jordan. They clearly establish that al-Qaeda was in Iraq and planning and carrying out attacks against US interests from Iraqi soil since before the start of the Iraq War.
Tuesday, April 27, 2004
[Full text of confession]Al Qaeda Plans Terrorist Attack in Chemical Weapons against Jordan
What I haven’t seen in any of the Iraq war news in what would Iraq have been like if we hadn’t gone in and after Hussein died. Would his sons have been able to keep and secure power, or would they have have to rely on other sources to maintain power? They didn’t appear to have the brains or the ruthlessness of their father. My guess is that after Hussein had croaked, Al-Qaeda would have put pressure on his sons to give them an important share of the power. If not eventually all the power.
That is an excellent link, I have never seen it before. By late 2002 the vast majority of Al Qaeda terrorists left Afghanistan, so if some came from Afghanistan to Iraq as the terrorist has confessed to meet Al Zarqawi that is almost certain no later than late 2002, which is another proof that Al Qaeda in Iraq was present when Saddam was still in power. A document that I translated indicates that in 2002 some Iraqi Intelligence officers were asking their bosses about very credible reports they have that Zarqawi is present in Iraq but of course their bosses were quick in denying it for the obvious reasons that they do not want to tell their subordinates about the regime relation to Al Qaeda.
It definitely proves that al-Qaeda was in Iraq before the start of the Iraq War and had planned and had carried out attacks (Diplomat Foley assassination) against US interests.
Bush and Cheney were right.
Saddam and Son’s “blame America first” defense team can’t abide reality.
Their MSM propaganda that Saddam’s Iraq was the only nation on earth without Islamic Cult terrorists is laughable and a rewrite of history.
But as with liberals, history begins when they wake up in the morning.
The Hussein Regime was in constant breach of their armistice agreement from the first Gulf War with the USA. That was enough in of itself.
You’re welcome.
Amen.
We gave the “world” a chance to rectify thru the UN, they refused, so we went in and got him.
Very prudent, no way could the President fight the WOT in the ME while depending of the predictability of a madman and sons, who openly funded Islamic terrorists, with billions for WMD, the science and capabilities to use them.
And most importantly, the M.O. to use them.
But this isn’t new. We always knew this however, the media has the power to change reality for most and have effectively done so. The left is the media. Lies and distortion is the media and we all are effected weather we want to believe it or not.
You must be an undercover agent for AlQaida. If they fight us unconventionally, then you say it is not a war and they win. Sounds like a plan, for them.
Lately, AlQaida has been blowing up bridges. That reminds me of a movie, Bridge over the River Kwai. I suppose you think that was not a real war, either. If you knew what is going on and referenced it to history you might be dangerous, or interesting.
speculation over what may or may not have happened in a fictional scenario with no credible evidence upon which to build a sound argument is not the responsibility of any legitimate news media
Thanks for the ping, Mark. Very good article. Thanks to all of you for your efforts/links.
sure sure
that will get the job done (sarc)
Meanwhile what does America do if the job doesnt get done by the rest of the world? Or by us even under the flag of the rest of the world? pull our heads into a shell and retreat?
been there, tried that. read US and world history predating 1917
1917 and Wilson's mistake is what laid the groundwork for all this grandstanding and century of war isn't it though. How much different the world would have been if a US President hadn't gone on the grand adventure of 'spreading democracy' in the first place.
I believe I’ve seen that but thank you.
I don’t get your point sorry. Are you saying that Saddam loyalists haven’t cooperated post invasion?
I guess Britain should have withdrawn its troops from Northern Ireland early on and let the IRA take over. We would have had a little Marxist enclave in the British Isles, spreading its poison to Wales, Scotland and even the Republic of Ireland and England. How sweet that would have been.
It takes time, patience and — alas — casualties to defeat terrorist movments, but it is a job well worth doing.
PWND!
Nice post! Well said!
Good reminder and reference info.
Thanks for looking at the story but I didn’t write that part about Afghanistan and the arrested IIS agents working with Ansar began in 2002, as noted in the story.
I have links for all the original sources (not right wing sources but all CNN, BBC, AP, etc.). Send me a PM if you’d like a copy of the detailed list.
Because "justifying it" removes the argument that we shouldn't be there in the first place. That argument is aiding and encouraging the enemy (seeing a morale problem back home) and stands in the way of getting the funding and approval for the troops to finish the job so they can come home successfully, rather than in Washington-imposed failure.
I'd call that important.
It's funny how the Buchananite wing always forgets that bit...
Yep! The armistice is UN Security Council Resolution 687 (year 1991). The Hussein regime broke that over and over and that resolution calls in all prior resolutions, most of which that resolution calling for the use of force against Iraq.
You are weclome :)
You are welcome :)
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