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Giuliani leads, Thompson 2nd in new GOP Poll
LatestPolitics.com ^ | June 6, 2007 | Ryan Sager

Posted on 06/06/2007 8:16:14 AM PDT by John Cena

Is Fred Thompson No. 2? Well, now we have the second poll released just today that says "yes."

After the jump, we reproduce a memo just sent out by McLaughlin & Associates (now-confirmed pollsters for the Thompson campaign — though this poll was not done for the campaign). It breaks down as follows (change since the last time the poll was taken in April in parentheses):

Rudy Giuliani: 24% (-4) Fred Thompson: 18% (+5) John McCain: 17% (+1) Mitt Romney: 7% (-1)

UPDATE: A survey just released by Pew also shows Mr. Thompson second to Mr. Giuliani in how many voters say there's a "good chance" or "some chance" that they'd vote for either candidate — Messrs. Giuliani and Thompson are actually tied on the "good chance" number. More below...

(Excerpt) Read more at latestpolitics.com ...


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1 posted on 06/06/2007 8:16:16 AM PDT by John Cena
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To: John Cena

Hmmm. No one called me..


2 posted on 06/06/2007 8:17:57 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: John Cena

3 posted on 06/06/2007 8:19:13 AM PDT by xcamel ("It's Thompson Time!")
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To: John Cena
Rudy McRomney is toast, but even toast takes a few minutes to realize it's toasted.
4 posted on 06/06/2007 8:20:37 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: cardinal4

Or me.


5 posted on 06/06/2007 8:21:21 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: John Cena

Wake me up about the 7th inning.


6 posted on 06/06/2007 8:22:30 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: John Cena

Looks like Mary Matalin coming on board gave a big boost to Fred’s sagging campaign....

(that’s sarcasm, by the way)


7 posted on 06/06/2007 8:22:58 AM PDT by ConservativeDude (")
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To: John Cena

“Rudy Giuliani: 24% (-4) Fred Thompson: 18% (+5)”

That’s without even being in the race. Rudy is toast.


8 posted on 06/06/2007 8:23:45 AM PDT by Grunthor (Imwithfred.com)
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To: John Cena

Who are these 17% that support McCain?


10 posted on 06/06/2007 8:25:30 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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To: TexanSniper
With Thompson apparently coming out as pro choice as per last night’s interview

What a blatant mischaracterization of Thompson's statement and position!

11 posted on 06/06/2007 8:25:50 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Government is too important to leave up to the government" - Fred Dalton Thompson)
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To: John Cena
Remember when Howard Dean was number one in the polls "autumn of 2003, Dean had become the apparent frontrunner for the Democratic nomination, performing strongly in most polls and outpacing his rivals in fundraising"..."Among the candidates, he ranked first in total raised ($25.4 million as of September 30, 2003) and first in cash-on-hand ($12.4 million)" then his campaign tire had to hit the Iowa Primary Road of Reality "January 19, 2004, Dean's campaign suffered a blow when a last-minute surge by rivals John Kerry and John Edwards led to an embarrassing third-place defeat for Dean in the 2004 Iowa Democratic caucuses" ( all quotes on Howard Dean from Wikipedia.

"then January 19, 2004, Dean's campaign suffered a blow when a last-minute surge by rivals John Kerry and John Edwards led to an embarrassing third-place defeat for Dean in the 2004 Iowa Democratic caucuses",

All the pre election polls in the world can make claims , but nothing matters until the voters see the Candidates, and vote.

12 posted on 06/06/2007 8:26:05 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: TexanSniper
With Thompson apparently coming out as pro choice as per last night’s interview

Come again?

13 posted on 06/06/2007 8:26:05 AM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe (2nd Amendment - the reboot button on the U.S. Constitution)
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe

Fred’s pro-choice? I didn’t know that. If this is the case, I may have to rethink my primairy vote.


14 posted on 06/06/2007 8:28:09 AM PDT by John Cena
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To: TexanSniper

With Thompson apparently coming out as pro choice as per last night’s interview this race is about to get more interesting.”

I don’t think so.


15 posted on 06/06/2007 8:28:39 AM PDT by ConservativeDude (")
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To: TexanSniper

16 posted on 06/06/2007 8:29:21 AM PDT by NoobRep
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To: John Cena
Fred is not pro-choice.

Fred Thompson on Abortion

Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)

Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)

Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)

17 posted on 06/06/2007 8:31:03 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TexanSniper

Who wha ?


18 posted on 06/06/2007 8:32:02 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Who are these 17% that support McCain?

Yea, I just dont get it. It must be the choice of people NOT PAYING ATTENTION at all. Every position the guy takes is unpopular with the base, it seems.... I guess thats the power of noteriety..

19 posted on 06/06/2007 8:32:27 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: John Cena
Wow, that's awesome--Fred is within 6 points of Rudy and closing!!!

Go, Fred, Go!!!!

20 posted on 06/06/2007 8:33:08 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal one to DIVIDE it!)
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To: ConservativeDude

He seems to be taking the same position that he took in the 90’s. It is unfortunate that Hannity cut him off and he couldn’t finish his thought. His position seems to be that he opposes Roe on federalist grounds but at the state level doesn’t think abortion should be criminalized. We will need clarification on that.


21 posted on 06/06/2007 8:35:51 AM PDT by TexanSniper
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To: John Cena

Rudy will back out, again, on a potential match with Hillary. McLame is too old. Romney is non-descript. The rest are unkown. This leaves a big opening for FRED.


22 posted on 06/06/2007 8:36:46 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: TexanSniper

With Thompson apparently coming out as pro choice as per last night’s interview this race is about to get more interesting.
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You keep making that statement on various threads and have been successfully rebutted each time. Don’t you even read posts to you, or are do you just want to keep repeating a lie?


23 posted on 06/06/2007 8:36:58 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: John Cena
Hey John...the problem is with definitions of Pro-Choice and Pro-Life.

1.Some consider Pro-Life to mean "Abortion is murder" and it should be outlawed and all involved should be prosecuted for murder. (Anti-Abortion)

2.Some consider Pro-Life to mean being against Roe Vs Wade, and letting the issue be decided by the States. (Federalist)

3.Some consider Pro-Choice to be someone who approves of abortion on demand. (Pro-Abortion)

4.Some consider Pro-Choice to mean being against Roe Vs Wade, and letting the issue be decided by the States. (Federalist)

Oops, 2 and 4 are the same, and there's the rub.

Fred's record can be considered Pro-Life and Pro-Choice. I believe, from my reading of his record, that he is merely Pro-Federalism, which just happens to cover definition #2 and #4. I don't believe he is "anti-abortion".

Thanks for your always cogent posts.
24 posted on 06/06/2007 8:38:56 AM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
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To: John Cena
Fred’s pro-choice? I didn’t know that. If this is the case, I may have to rethink my primairy vote.

I would suggest you investigate the matter yourself and make up your mind rather than take the statement of someone who MAY have an axe to grind or a candidate to promote's word for it.

Unless you are one of those that think the Constitution is only valid when it protects those things with which you personally agree, then by all means go right ahead and call him pro choice.

25 posted on 06/06/2007 8:39:12 AM PDT by jdub
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To: HerrBlucher
various threads and have been successfully rebutted each time. Don’t you even read posts to you, or are do you just want to keep repeating a lie?

He reads them all right. There have been a slew recently planting inuendo and disinformation.

26 posted on 06/06/2007 8:40:16 AM PDT by Mensius
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To: John Cena

I see Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson as the top two going all the way to the Convention. When Fred gets into the debate cycle, he will have to think quick on his feet. There will be no script and he will need to show the electorate that he is as adept to the changing situation as Rudy has demonstrated so far.

The lightning bolts were the telling indicator.


27 posted on 06/06/2007 8:41:03 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: 1Old Pro

and their “unknowns” too. GO Fred... Rudy’s trend numbers have been down and down (with the exception of a small bump after the Ron Paul thing) and Fred has been up and up even without playing the pre-primary waste your money game the other candidates have been engaged in.


28 posted on 06/06/2007 8:44:40 AM PDT by APRPEH (Hillary probably wouldn't approve, but I can live with that.... www.imwithfred.com)
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To: John Cena
The McGlaughlin survey is polistats bunk:

McLaughlin & Associates conducted a national survey of 1,000 likely general election voters between May 28th and June 1st, 2007. Within this sample, 350 voters were Republicans. All interviews were conducted via telephone by professional interviewers. Respondents were randomly selected within predetermined election units structured to correlate with actual voter turnout in a national election. The survey of 1,000 likely general election voters has an accuracy of + 3.1% at a 95% confidence interval. For the subsample of 350 Republicans, the accuracy is +5.2% at a 95% confidence interval.

The opinion of likely PRIMARY voters (not general election voters) will give anything resembling a pseudo-prediction right now.....if at all. AND "national" surveys for a state-by-state election...just more polistat lies to make a nice headline and try to get some respectability in the polling world.

...and the PEW survey is even more atrocious:

Results for this survey are based on telephone interviews conducted under the direction of Princeton Survey Research Associates International among a nationwide sample of 1,503 adults, 18 years of age or older, from May 30-June 3, 2007

A nationwide survey of "adults" and who they would vote for is and will always be irrelevant pertaining to presidential elections.

29 posted on 06/06/2007 8:45:00 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years......WOLFHOUNDS!!!!)
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To: TexanSniper
With Thompson apparently coming out as pro choice as per last night’s interview


30 posted on 06/06/2007 8:50:06 AM PDT by The Blitherer (These are not dark days; these are great days - the greatest days our country has ever lived. -WSC)
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To: John Cena
What's the old saying:

Fred - time to cr_p, and get off the pot...


31 posted on 06/06/2007 8:50:35 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: TexanSniper

I saw him on another talk show and the host asked him a straight up question and his straight up answer was that he was “pro life.” His words, not mine or the hosts.

Fred is pro life, and he’s no idiot.

If somehow he has muddied the water, look for some clarity real soon. He will run as a pro life, anti-Roe conservative. And he will win.


32 posted on 06/06/2007 8:51:49 AM PDT by ConservativeDude (")
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To: ConservativeDude

LOL.....MM is desperate to be relevant. A good sign for Fred that she is chasing after him.


33 posted on 06/06/2007 8:54:04 AM PDT by tioga (Fred Thompson for President.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Don't kid yourself. Rudy, Romney, and McCain are all going to be there in the primaries. The question is whether Fred will. I think he will, but so far, each candidate has shown a pretty strong "bottom," at about mid-20s. Rudy has gotten up to the high 30s, Romney to the high 20s.

Fred will pull mostly from Rudy. What happens to McClame when he can't ever get above 20%? Where do his voters go? Too early to say. But it's silly to write off Rudy.

34 posted on 06/06/2007 8:54:27 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: TexanSniper

What interview did YOU watch. Thompson is NOT pro-choice.


35 posted on 06/06/2007 8:55:52 AM PDT by tioga (Fred Thompson for President.)
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36 posted on 06/06/2007 8:59:36 AM PDT by Politicalmom (No self-respecting group bent on world domination would invite Angelina Jolie to be a member.)
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To: ConservativeDude

I believe post #24 describes the matter accurately.


37 posted on 06/06/2007 9:02:26 AM PDT by TexanSniper
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To: Politicalmom

I hope Giuliani enjoys the last few days of (supposedly) being #1.


38 posted on 06/06/2007 9:02:34 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TexanSniper

You are a LIAR.


39 posted on 06/06/2007 9:02:41 AM PDT by Politicalmom (No self-respecting group bent on world domination would invite Angelina Jolie to be a member.)
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To: John Cena

I don’t know about this poll, but the recent USA Today poll had a margin of error of 6. If this is the case for this poll, we’re just about at a statistical tie.


40 posted on 06/06/2007 9:02:50 AM PDT by jmc813 (www.imwithfred.com - DONATE!)
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To: LS
But it's silly to write off Rudy.

Time will tell.

41 posted on 06/06/2007 9:03:00 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: TexanSniper; John Cena

>> With Thompson apparently coming out as pro choice as per last night’s interview <<

What the hell are you talking about???


42 posted on 06/06/2007 9:03:16 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: John Cena

Ah yes, the home phone poll...I have yet to see a MSM piece on how the pollsters are dealing with people like me and my two voting age sons who use cell phones and internet phones that are not listed.


43 posted on 06/06/2007 9:05:23 AM PDT by irish guard
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To: TexanSniper
With Thompson apparently coming out as pro choice as per last night’s interview this race is about to get more interesting.

Whatever it is you're smokin', it ain't a cigarette....

44 posted on 06/06/2007 9:05:27 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Run Fred RUN!)
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To: jonathanmo

>> 4.Some consider Pro-Choice to mean being against Roe Vs Wade, and letting the issue be decided by the States. (Federalist) <<

That’s a definition of Pro-Choice I have never before heard in my life!


45 posted on 06/06/2007 9:06:30 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: ConservativeDude

Fred had better keep the girl away from any real info... she just spies for the dims!

LLS


46 posted on 06/06/2007 9:07:32 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: John Cena

It was a BS statement!

LLS


47 posted on 06/06/2007 9:08:42 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: jonathanmo

>> 2.Some consider Pro-Life to mean being against Roe Vs Wade, and letting the issue be decided by the States. (Federalist) <<

And this definition, while not quite insane, is pretty strange. It’s only true inasmuch as some politicans have opposed Roe-v-Wade on the basis that it’s anti-Democratic, allowing themselves to align with pro-lifers by taking pro-life positions on federal legislation without getting labelled “anti-choice.” Kay Bailey Hutchinson comes to mind first. But even so, it’s merely a matter of some peope perceiving pro-choice moderates who happen to be federalists as pro-life.


48 posted on 06/06/2007 9:10:57 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: irish guard
Ah yes, the home phone poll...I have yet to see a MSM piece on how the pollsters are dealing with people like me and my two voting age sons who use cell phones and internet phones that are not listed.

The fact that you and your sons have cell phones and VOI, and thus wouldn't be polled, doesn't matter (sorry to burst your bubble). Statistically speaking, pollsters call a few hundred people, possibly at most a couple of thousand, and use these responses to statistically approximate (with MoE depending on sampling size) for the much larger population from which the respondants were sampled. In a country our size, the likelihood of any one person being randomly chosen for participation in a poll is miniscule anywise, so you are practically as likely not to be polled, even if you had a traditional landline - and this wouldn't affect the validity of the poll in the least. The math still works out the same, regardless of whether any one member of the population is sampled.

49 posted on 06/06/2007 9:11:54 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Run Fred RUN!)
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To: dangus
Hey Dangus...that's a definition I've seen lately here on FR and have actually heard around in public lately. For example, if a candidate considers abortion a state's rights issue, and the same candidate never comes out and says "Abortion is murder," he can be considered pro-choice because he is not "anti-abortion".
50 posted on 06/06/2007 9:13:15 AM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
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