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Luntz: Romney the Winner [6-5 debate]
YouTube ^ | 6-6-2007 | Luntz/Fox News

Posted on 06/06/2007 10:26:36 AM PDT by Swordfished

On FOX News, pollster Luntz declares Romney the winner and John McCain the loser.

Romney is 'off the charts' in positive reaction to his answer on faith Mormon faith. Good comments by typical voters. Luntz uses an interesting method that allows tracking of the reactions to the candidates in real time.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; elections; luntz; romney
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Didn't see this posted yet. I've posted under topic 'elections' - hope that's fine with everybody.
1 posted on 06/06/2007 10:26:37 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Unmarked Package

Could you ping the Romney list?


2 posted on 06/06/2007 10:28:41 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Swordfished

Yeah, we have to beware of those Mormon terrorists.


3 posted on 06/06/2007 10:30:02 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Swordfished
McCain has lost his mind.....He doesn’t have a clue.
4 posted on 06/06/2007 10:32:28 AM PDT by ustanker (Secure the border!)
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To: Swordfished
Luntz uses an interesting method that allows tracking of the reactions to the candidates in real time.

Luntz uses focus group methods. People are interviewed before and after watching the debate. During the debate they have a big dial in front of them that the can turn - right for agree, left for disagree.

For a variety of reasons I don't think his methods are that meaningful. (most people don't analyze things in that detail, most people only 1/2 watch the debates, etc. )

5 posted on 06/06/2007 10:32:57 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Swordfished

Interesting results from Luntz.

I thought Romney was a little off his game last night. Although, he looked like the one who was in CNN’s cross hairs on this round.

Maybe that’s just my view since I thought he won the two previous outings. It’s possible that Luntz’s folks didn’t have such high expectations.


6 posted on 06/06/2007 10:33:25 AM PDT by nctexan
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To: Jack Black

interesting method nonetheless.


7 posted on 06/06/2007 10:34:51 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: nctexan

To me it seemed Romney won the first 1/4 of the debate...the remaining time had no clear winner in my mind.


8 posted on 06/06/2007 10:36:54 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: AmericanMade1776; Austin1; bcbuster; bethtopaz; Bluestateredman; brivette; bruinbirdman; ...
A transcript of the Luntz video clip is available here.

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9 posted on 06/06/2007 10:39:05 AM PDT by Unmarked Package (<<<< CLICK to learn more about the conservative record and platform of Governor Mitt Romney)
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To: Swordfished

McLame lost eh? too bad, he’s toast.

Next to fall with be Rudy, especially if Fred and Newt get in.

Romney? well, he might make a good VP if he could guarantee MA’s elctoral votes.


10 posted on 06/06/2007 10:42:37 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: ustanker

And yet Ron Paul made McCain look sane.


11 posted on 06/06/2007 10:42:44 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Swordfished
Lutz said that Obama bombed out in the RAT debate and now Obama is tied with Hildebeast! Go Figure. Lutz said the Edwards won the debate. Edwards is slick, nothing else. I guess most voters are what they are.
12 posted on 06/06/2007 10:45:04 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Swordfished

Romney sounds more and more appealing. His stated position on illegals, boarder enforcement, Iran, taxes, minimal government.....; his track record in politics, Salt Lake city and his personal affairs...... His education and his consistency over time on these positions. The guy appears truly conservative and might be the most “pragmatic” political figure there is running for Presidency, party indifferent. I hope his campaign goes well and that we get more to hear from him.


13 posted on 06/06/2007 10:54:05 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: massgopguy

Heck...I am waiting for John McCain to rip off his mask and...voila....its Rosie O’Donnell


14 posted on 06/06/2007 10:55:58 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Illegal Alien Amnesty Is Anti-American)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
UCFRoadWarrior wrote: Heck...I am waiting for John McCain to rip off his mask and...voila....its Rosie O’Donnell

John McCain doesn't deserve that insult, in fact there is not a Republican breathing air that deserves that insult.

15 posted on 06/06/2007 10:59:47 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: ustanker

Dick Morris also thinks McCain lost the Debate last night.

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/?p=97

My gut reaction was that while Rudy did the best, McCain actually did quite well. Romney came in third.


16 posted on 06/06/2007 11:01:51 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Unmarked Package
If you go to www.hughhewitt.com you can see the video of Luntz talking about the debate and he also shows what people said about Mitt Romney. If the first site doesn’t work, try www.hughhewitt.townhall.com.
17 posted on 06/06/2007 11:03:00 AM PDT by bethtopaz (Stop Global Whining!)
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To: nctexan
"I thought Romney was a little off his game last night. Although, he looked like the one who was in CNN’s cross hairs on this round.

Maybe that’s just my view since I thought he won the two previous outings. It’s possible that Luntz’s folks didn’t have such high expectations."

As a Romney supporter, I have to say I agree. He was a bit off his game last night. There were a lot of things I've heard him say elsewhere regarding a lot of these issues that I wished he had said last night, but maybe he was just having an off night. Still, I think he pulled off a pretty solid performance, all things considered. It was very obvious to me that CNN was out for his blood. That audience member who asked about the Spanish ads was a total plant since all of the other audience member questions were broad and not asked of specific candidates--only this one. Coincidence? I think not...especially since CNN screened all the questions.

I find it really interesting that Romney is the one who has mostly been on the receiving end of the "attack dog" type of questions--both in this debate and in the last one. I have my theory on this. I think that CNN, being the liberal cheerleader it is, suspects that Romney could wipe the walls with whomever is the Democratic nominee and are trying to tear him down in the primary. In Fox News's case, it's been pretty obvious that they are pushing Giuliani and that is a major reason in the desparity of the questioning between him and Romney.

What's impressive though about Romney is that he doesn't ever take the bait. He refused to go into personal attack mode with McCain, refused to denounce his Mormon faith, refused to run GWB under the bus, and refused to let Duncan Hunter define him as a Kennedy Republican. He's pretty darn skillful at defining who he is instead of letting other people define him.

I think you are right, though. People who have been following him all along realized that he could have done a lot better than he did, but people (like the ones in Luntz's focus group) are perhaps only really seeing him for the first time and couldn't help but be impressed by him.

18 posted on 06/06/2007 11:12:30 AM PDT by VegasBaby (Ready for a 113% average yearly ROI? Romney in '08)
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To: nctexan
Although, he looked like the one who was in CNN’s cross hairs on this round.

You're not kidding! Mitt seemed to receive fewer questions than the other top tier candidates and he was the only candidate to receive a hostile question chosen specifically just for him. How nice.

I guess CNN is more worried about Mitt than anyone else at this point.

Too bad for CNN since, according to Luntz, the average folks decided they liked Mitt the best anyway.

19 posted on 06/06/2007 11:18:02 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (MittReport.com)
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To: ustanker
I was screaming at the TV last night while Mr. Crazy was talking his “Silent Amnesty” spiel. He’s asking for a better solution, but enforcing the law just doesn’t register.
20 posted on 06/06/2007 11:21:53 AM PDT by shekkian
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To: Swordfished; FastCoyote

This is delicious. The highest, most off the chart positive reaction by Republicans and Independents EVER was the Mormon question. This is tangible PROOF that the Mormon question not only DOES NOT hurt him but in fact it HELPS HIM!

Ummm, care to comment FC? Or are we going to get a lecture about irrational Mormons or some other tripe?


21 posted on 06/06/2007 11:23:38 AM PDT by nowandlater
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To: Swordfished
This impressive response is to the question on supposedly his greatest weakness, The Mormon Thing.

This Luntz clip is likely causing significant consternation amongst the Dems, who have likely already directed the MSM to redouble their production of Get Mitt hit pieces. This is not a candidate they want to face.

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22 posted on 06/06/2007 11:24:37 AM PDT by Plutarch (Bush is a coward to the left and a tyrant to the right.)
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To: 1Old Pro
he might make a good VP if he could guarantee MA’s elctoral votes.

I don't know about Massachusetts, but Romney can be instrumental in holding some of the close Bush states and flipping some of the others that went to Kerry in 2004, like Wisconsin, Michigan (Romney born and raised there and his father was the governor) and New Hampshire (where Romney has a home).

These close states are the ones on which to focus.

Close states in 2004:

Wisconsin, 0.38% Kerry
Iowa, 0.67% Bush
New Mexico, 0.79% Bush
New Hampshire, 1.37% Kerry
Ohio, 2.11% Bush
Pennsylvania, 2.50% Kerry
Nevada, 2.59% Bush
Michigan, 3.42% Kerry
Minnesota, 3.48% Kerry
Oregon, 4.16% Kerry
Colorado, 4.67% Bush

23 posted on 06/06/2007 11:25:27 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (MittReport.com)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
"Too bad for CNN since, according to Luntz, the average folks decided they liked Mitt the best anyway."

I was absolutely floored by that video clip because I went to bed believing this was the weakest Romney performance of the debates. It is amazing that people just really seem receptive to him, whether he has an off night or not. I'm positive CNN sees his appeal and that was driving a lot of their tactics in trying to tear him down--right down to the planted CNN-approved audience member question.

24 posted on 06/06/2007 11:25:39 AM PDT by VegasBaby (Ready for a 113% average yearly ROI? Romney in '08)
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To: 1Old Pro
Next to fall with be Rudy, especially if Fred and Newt get in.

  I don't agree at all. Despite this poll, I thought Rudy was the clear winner last night. Sure, I may disagree with some of his position, as I suspect many do, but he came across as some one in command. The man has a presence and a likeability that are well suited to the campaign - and let's face it, well suited to the Presidency.

  If he can keep up that level, and not get bogged down in scandals, I think we've got our nominee, and our next President.

Drew Garrett

25 posted on 06/06/2007 11:27:04 AM PDT by agarrett
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To: 1Old Pro
Romney? well, he might make a good VP if he could guarantee MA’s elctoral votes.

Wouldn't he have to flop back on abortion again?

26 posted on 06/06/2007 11:29:12 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: 1Old Pro
"Romney? well, he might make a good VP if he could guarantee MA’s elctoral votes."

Sadly, I think MA is a lost cause as far as the Republicans are concerned, but I think Romney would definitely be a winner in the barely blue states like Michigan (where he was born and raised), Iowa, etc. That's where we're going to win the election.

27 posted on 06/06/2007 11:34:47 AM PDT by VegasBaby (Ready for a 113% average yearly ROI? Romney in '08)
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To: VegasBaby
It is amazing that people just really seem receptive to him, whether he has an off night or not

I know what you are saying.
Even on an off day, the weakest Mitt is still preferable to everyone else. : )

28 posted on 06/06/2007 11:36:27 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (Mitt has IT.)
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To: VegasBaby
I think Romney would definitely be a winner in the barely blue states like Michigan (where he was born and raised), Iowa, etc.

Could be and yes the barely Blue and barely red states need to be RED in order to win in "08.

29 posted on 06/06/2007 11:38:46 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Swordfished
[6-6 debate]

Is 6-6 the date? It was on 6-5.

30 posted on 06/06/2007 11:44:38 AM PDT by Plutarch (Bush is a coward to the left and a tyrant to the right.)
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To: Plutarch

Luntz’s interview just took place this morning (6/6) on Fox and Friends.


31 posted on 06/06/2007 11:45:57 AM PDT by VegasBaby (Ready for a 113% average yearly ROI? Romney in '08)
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To: hunter112
"Wouldn't he have to flop back on abortion again?"

Good question Wolf... didn't know you were posting here.

32 posted on 06/06/2007 12:00:55 PM PDT by nctexan
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To: VegasBaby
find it really interesting that Romney is the one who has mostly been on the receiving end of the "attack dog" type of questions--both in this debate and in the last one. I have my theory on this. I think that CNN, being the liberal cheerleader it is, suspects that Romney could wipe the walls with whomever is the Democratic nominee

He's probably doing better in internal polls than the media wants to admit.

33 posted on 06/06/2007 12:22:52 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: agarrett

Rudy came across better than I would have liked. Although, he looked odd last night, almost feminine or sickly. I think he had too much makeup.


34 posted on 06/06/2007 12:26:35 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: nctexan

I do believe that Mitt Romney is pro-life. I also believe that he had to lie about it in order to become Massachusetts governor, and to challenge Fat Teddy for the Senate seat in 1994. I also believe that his church does not try to interfere with this process, otherwise, they’d have Harry Reid’s hiney on a platter.


35 posted on 06/06/2007 12:28:59 PM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: Swordfished

Romney did outshine the field as Presidential. Others did not seem to rise above congressional candidates, except perhaps Huckabee and Paul.


36 posted on 06/06/2007 12:32:57 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
"He's probably doing better in internal polls than the media wants to admit."

You could be right. The MSM seems to be in love with national polls, but national polls are all about name recognition. This is an automatic handicap for Romney when he's stacked up against well-known names like Giuliani, McCain and Thompson, but when you look at the polls on a state-by-state level, he's gained tremendous momentum. Why? Because in those states where he's out there making himself known on a personal level, he's connecting with his audiences in a big way and I think that's why the MSM is ignoring the state polling. Romney scares the pants off of the MSM and the Democrats.

37 posted on 06/06/2007 12:45:59 PM PDT by VegasBaby (Ready for a 113% average yearly ROI? Romney in '08)
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To: nowandlater

“Ummm, care to comment FC?”

I never said I was arguing the 97% side of this, I’m arguing the 3-5% broken glass Christians who won’t vote.


38 posted on 06/06/2007 12:48:22 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: hunter112
"I do believe that Mitt Romney is pro-life. I also believe that he had to lie about it in order to become Massachusetts governor, and to challenge Fat Teddy for the Senate seat in 1994. I also believe that his church does not try to interfere with this process, otherwise, they’d have Harry Reid’s hiney on a platter."

I agree with what you said... In fact, it would be hard to believe that he would have ever been a strong idealogue for abortion. He's shown just the opposite in his personal life.

In fact, many men go through a lot of their life without deep convictions on the subject either way... but when something finally causes them to give it deep thought, they usually become strong proLife.

39 posted on 06/06/2007 1:04:00 PM PDT by nctexan
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To: Plutarch
This impressive response is to the question on supposedly his greatest weakness, The Mormon Thing.

I will admit, that was an issue for me initially. That is no longer true. Once I gave it some logical thought I realized that although Romney and I have different theological beliefs, he and I have similar moral beliefs. He is one of the few candidates who has a moral code AND lives by it. It's refreshing.

My Mom was even more opposed to him a few months ago. As of today, she is thinking about voting for him. The objections don't stand up to fair reasoning.

40 posted on 06/06/2007 1:11:35 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Plutarch
Is 6-6 the date? It was on 6-5.

Right. I've asked the moderator to correct the title.

41 posted on 06/06/2007 1:55:27 PM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Swordfished

I watched the debate and I thought that Huckabee, and Tancrado did very well but Rudy won with the bolt of lighting from God.

I thought Romney looked nervous and stumbled at times and was way too wordy


42 posted on 06/06/2007 1:58:09 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: VegasBaby

MA is a lost cause. My sister lived there for 4 years and never could find anyone who admitted to voting for Teddy Kennedy. Yet he keeps on winning...


43 posted on 06/06/2007 2:36:35 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: VegasBaby

Agreed with every word in your post. Exactly right! : )


44 posted on 06/06/2007 2:40:50 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag! Mitt Romney for President '08)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
"although Romney and I have different theological beliefs, he and I have similar moral beliefs. He is one of the few candidates who has a moral code AND lives by it. It's refreshing."

Exactly the way I see it. And when a candidate LIVES his moral beliefs it should be considered a plus and to his credit. Frankly it's refreshing someone thinks it's refreshing. : )

45 posted on 06/06/2007 2:46:22 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag! Mitt Romney for President '08)
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To: Plutarch; VegasBaby

I didn’t watch the debate last night, but I did hear Romney’s response to the Mormon question. Very well done. I think the response was positive because most Americans are affronted when the MSM questions someone’s beliefs (it reminded me of George W Bush’s response in the 2000 debates.)


46 posted on 06/06/2007 2:48:40 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
"I didn’t watch the debate last night, but I did hear Romney’s response to the Mormon question. Very well done. I think the response was positive because most Americans are affronted when the MSM questions someone’s beliefs (it reminded me of George W Bush’s response in the 2000 debates.)"

The irony of it all is that I think the obsession with the Mormon factor is actually helping Romney. First, because it only gives him more media exposure, and second, because when people see the way that Romney and his family actually live their lives and how Romney graciously conducts himself when he's under pressure or is ridiculed, they realize that all of the attacks on his personal religious beliefs are silly and mundane and they start feeling sympathetic towards him.

47 posted on 06/06/2007 3:21:26 PM PDT by VegasBaby (Ready for a 113% average yearly ROI? Romney in '08)
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To: Swordfished

I think this overstates Romney’s performance. He did well enough, but seemed to rely on platitudes to the point of being plastic.

It seems, the lightning strike notwithstanding, that Rudy Giuliani gave the best performance on this occasion.


48 posted on 06/06/2007 5:20:51 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Unmarked Package

Bttt!


49 posted on 06/06/2007 5:44:30 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: Swordfished

Yahoo!


50 posted on 06/06/2007 5:47:27 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Romney Rocks!)
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