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Document: Iran Caught Red-Handed Shipping Arms to Taliban
The Blotter ^ | 6-6-07 | Brian Ross and Christopher Isham

Posted on 06/06/2007 4:47:58 PM PDT by Danae

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To: Danae

Brian Ross is a good investigative reporter, but his liberal views cloud his work. This time it’s worth reading.


51 posted on 06/06/2007 5:37:02 PM PDT by RDTF (www.imwithfred.com)
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To: Danae

Sadly, the reality is that the president has zilch credibility with the media brainwashed sheeples if/when he denounces Iran for this. The UN will be weak as usual, the Demoncrats will be silent and Iran will play games even more boldly with soldier’s lives.


52 posted on 06/06/2007 5:42:01 PM PDT by generalhammond
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To: elhombrelibre

Did you read the comment section at the link? Plenty of people drunk on anti-Bush Koolaid there.


53 posted on 06/06/2007 5:46:00 PM PDT by RDTF (www.imwithfred.com)
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To: Danae
"Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stopped short earlier this week of blaming Iran, saying the U.S. did not have evidence 'of the involvement of the Iranian government in support of the Taliban.'"

Will Iran's American defense corner rest its case with that, or does it have more up its sleeve?
54 posted on 06/06/2007 5:48:33 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. [(cbt.) has-been enlisted type])
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To: Danae

“clear indications that they originated in Iran

Destroy the manufacturing plants without delay, no country should
be allowed to manufacture and supply the enemy while our
Troops are in a war.


55 posted on 06/06/2007 5:50:21 PM PDT by Son House ( Democrats are Hostile to Tax Payers.)
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To: Danae

Another protracted cold war begins, and we have no one to blame for it but ourselves.


56 posted on 06/06/2007 5:53:56 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: Sam Ketcham
No. It’s called a brain & not simply jumping to childish (sky is falling) conclusions....simply because the MSM isn’t reporting (or aware) of what actions are taking place in the black....
57 posted on 06/06/2007 5:56:02 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: elhombrelibre
Sure looks like they where caught with their pants down on this one.
The reality however is we will not be in the position to do much if anything about it. I can't see us going to war status over these issues, regardless of how badly many of us would like to see Iran get a real bloody nose or worse.
But surely some covert actions could be taken in the way of blowing up some of their facilities to show them they will not get away with this stuff without any retributions.
But even that is petty in some respects. We know Ahmadinejah plays both sides of the cards, on one hand he does whatever he pleases that he feels he can get away with, and on the other hand always holds the 12th Iman's return as an end goal. And obviously we have the major key Mullahs allowing him to continue to consolidate his power, as long as he plays their puppet on a string.
Does the US really want to vastly disturbed the worlds oil markets by direct invasion (war or un-declared pre-emptive naval air strikes), or does this administration and the one that will follow simply want to hope continued pressures on the Iranian government will lead to regime change.
We certainly are alone for the most part on this issue. No one else has the guts to side with us other then play their petty toothless for the most part sanctions, that have little effect directly on the regime. After all. The Mullahs may lose billions, but they sure as hell are not going to lose their limos and racks of lamb any time in the future. They will continue to live in luxury for the most part if desired to do so. The little nut will continue to play the big man. Russia and China will not side with us on anything of value.
The Europeans don't have the guts to side with us in a meaningful way. So I don't see anything of significance coming out of this whole affair.
We can spend millions per week to keep our fleet in the region to protect oil/gas shipping but that is about it.
And the Iranians have no reason to disturb the shipping lanes. After all it is their life blood to sell their oil.
So nothing will improve regarding Iran IMHO.
58 posted on 06/06/2007 5:56:11 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: RDTF
Yes, I read some. This is what I blame the Democrats and the Left for. They’ve poisoned the politics of America so much that a clearly dangerous regime like Iran gets the benefit of the doubt from the Left’s followers while the US and other democracies are not believed. Iran, al Qaeda, and the Taliban are now the Left’s heroes.
59 posted on 06/06/2007 6:02:49 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: wildbill
Is anyone else out there scared to death by these wussie nincompoops?

I'm just glad I won't be old enough to see our whole country completely lost. The sheeple sleep.

60 posted on 06/06/2007 6:07:44 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Danae

and so what is the Democrats response to this?

probably something like: Hyped intel to justify Bush’s upcoming war with Iran?

Iran just wants us out of the ME and nuclear power like Israel has.....

Democrats are the enemy of Israel too bad most Jews are Democrats talk about lemmings.... jeez


61 posted on 06/06/2007 6:08:21 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (The saddest day in America will be the day that George W. Bush is vindicated.)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Frankly, we’re at a historic juncture. We can deal with the mad mullah problem now, or we’ll deal with it later perforce. But the day of reckoning is coming whether we want it or not.
62 posted on 06/06/2007 6:09:54 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: Danae

Unfortunately, President Bush -like x42- won’t even untwirl their turbans.

This news appears ONLY because the left thinks it might provide hard evidence that Bush is “forcing” yet another country (Iran) to get “really really mad” at the USA, and that makes them feel bad. Waaah!


63 posted on 06/06/2007 6:10:59 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Danae

Two Iranian convoys with clear indications that they originated in Iran, I’ll bet they came from Iran.


64 posted on 06/06/2007 6:11:05 PM PDT by printhead
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To: ASC2006
And, yet sadly we won’t do a thing about it.

As posted before, El Presidente Boosh es en Mexico recuting volunteers to do the trabajo that joo gringoes don' wanna do.

65 posted on 06/06/2007 6:14:09 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Danae

bookmark


66 posted on 06/06/2007 6:30:04 PM PDT by DocRock (All they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 ... Go ahead, look it up!)
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To: ASC2006

“And, yet sadly we won’t do a thing about it.”

Sure we will. We’ll send Condi, take some pictures, and give her another excuse for why she doesn’t have a date next weekend.


67 posted on 06/06/2007 6:34:57 PM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: elhombrelibre
The problem is. How do we deal with them. They are so insulated by design. At the first sign of any incoming toward Tehran, they would all scurry into bomb proof shelters deep underground or high tail it off to points unknown.
Only the direct intervention by a vast majority of royally pissed off Iranians crying for them to be kicked out (arrested and tried and put on the gallows), and fully backed by the military who would somehow be able to counter the RG's vast military assets might bring them down.
They have fully prepared for the worse scenarios many years back in how and who they allow to help run the country.
And sadly, there appears to be a large percentage of Iranians that are neutral or acccept the Islamic laws etc., as a way of life.
How do we take them out without totally destroying the country of Iran? I pose the question with no reason to expect any answers, that have not been covered over and over again. At any rate. I have to hit the rack. Gotta get up around 3:30AM to be at work at 5AM. No joy in that.
68 posted on 06/06/2007 6:39:13 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

FYI


69 posted on 06/06/2007 6:39:28 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Danae
Document: Iran Caught Red-Handed Shipping Arms to Taliban

(1) "Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
George W. Bush, September 20, 2001

(2) The Bush Doctrine: "The United States will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them"
(George W. Bush, June 1, 2002)

So what will we do?

Nothing.

70 posted on 06/06/2007 6:43:27 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Marine_Uncle
In my opinion, the whole purpose and only purpose of attacking Iran would be to destroy its military infrastructure. I advocate destroying their radars, their air defense systems, their nuclear research and development facilities, their air force, their ships, their ammunition storage areas, their weapons plants, their secret police buildings, and as much of their tanks and artillery pieces. This would be a prolonged air/sea campaign that would be unrelenting until Iran's capacity to support terror or to develop nuclear weapons is shattered. But regime change, while highly desirable, in this case would be up to the Iranian people. With the Iranian people presently either cowed or docile, they can either seek to change their country after the air campaign or they can continue to live in the squalor the mad mullahs have brought them to.
71 posted on 06/06/2007 6:49:40 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: Danae
The way I envision it, there will be a sudden and undeclared massive air strike against the Iranian terrorist regime nuclear facilities and this will take 5-7 days. Depending on how the Iranian responds the war will escalate tremendously from our side. If Iran hits oil tankers, or oil infrastructure in other Gulf states, or hit our Navy ships, or our bases in the area, then the air and naval war will expend to destroy the terrorist regime military infrastructures, command and control centers, and its refining capacity but not the oil and gas production facilities. This will last for 3 to 4 weeks.

The terrorist regime in Tehran will not survive this air and naval war, they will be very weakened, the Iranian people will rise against them and this time unlike the 1991 Gulf War against Saddam, the American military will support the Iranian people in term of Air support and destruction of what ever military left loyal to the terrorist mullahs that is going to oppress the people of Iran.

72 posted on 06/06/2007 6:55:25 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
Don't you think that Russia and China will interfere at some point, or will they let the USA/NATO have free reign to do what you laid out?

-PJ

73 posted on 06/06/2007 7:18:30 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: lormand

This particular reaction so far:

“We shoulda bombed the heck out of ‘em in ‘79”

I was 19 years young back then, thought the same at the time, and ever since.

My thoughts: I remember George Kennan (not the biggest war-mongerer out there at the time/s) going on TV and saying that Carter should have gone to Congress for a declaration of war. (he would have had little trouble getting it as American soil had been invaded and hostages taken) The Iranians would have crumbled quickly under that threat and pressure from our allies (which we actually had at the time) would have ended the hostage crisis quickly with an uptick in respect for the US in the Mideast. Instead Carter made us look weak and we have been suffering the consequences in the region ever since.


74 posted on 06/06/2007 7:29:32 PM PDT by free_for_now (No Dick Dale in the R&R HOF? - for shame!)
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To: Political Junkie Too

I doubt that they will interfere PJ. China never interfered in US affairs in the Middle East except in the impotent UN security council, Russia latest major interference in the Middle East was in the 1973 war (Soviet Union back then) and they ended up on the losing side as usual, the Arab side, they will yell and scream this time and cause trouble in the UN but I do not see them rushing to defend Iran miltarily for a simple reason: They cannot do it.


75 posted on 06/06/2007 7:32:28 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: elhombrelibre
I agree that the main and stated goal of the Air war against the terrorist regime in Iran is mainly to destroy their nuclear sites and military infrastructures, however if the Iranian people decide to rise up taking advantage of the weakened regime tools of oppression, we should help the Iranian people in term of air support to destroy what ever left from the mullahs islamic army.
76 posted on 06/06/2007 7:35:23 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Danae

When it comes to death and destruction Shities and Sunnies will team up every time.


77 posted on 06/06/2007 7:35:35 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: jveritas
But they weren't the oil consumers then that they are now. Will that factor into things?

-PJ

78 posted on 06/06/2007 7:36:20 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
WOW! Can anyone honestly say beyond a shadow of a doubt that the president isn't the biggest hypocrite on this issue? How many acts of war must be commited? It appears that Iran is acting “at will” knowing no action will be taken. Expect bigger and bolder actions by Iran and Mrs Rice SHAME ON YOU for saying military action is off the table. DO you know how many soldiers may die because of that statment?
79 posted on 06/06/2007 7:37:54 PM PDT by TalkingPoint
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To: Political Junkie Too
The Chinese know that the flow of oil will remain going to their country from the Middle East and Iran even if the terrorist regime falls. The Russians and Chinese investments in Iran will remain intact even if the mullahs terrorist regime falls, I do not think this will be a problem with the US.
80 posted on 06/06/2007 7:39:54 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
What we cannot do and won’t do is get involved in nation building in Iran. Once we destroy their mullahs lock on power, it’s up to the Iranians to figure out if they want to be free.
81 posted on 06/06/2007 7:41:29 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: TalkingPoint

President Bush will launch the Air and Naval war against the terrorist regime Iran before he leaves office, and I layed out the scenario that I envision how it going to be in post # 72.


82 posted on 06/06/2007 7:43:51 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: unspun

I agree, hook in the jaw.


83 posted on 06/06/2007 7:44:00 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: elhombrelibre

Agree but if the Iranian people rise up against the mullahs after taking advantage of weakened regime because the Air War the US launched against the regime, do not you think that in this case we should provide some support to the Iranians to make sure them succeed. I am not talking about ground troops because this requires a million troop to do, but keep the Air and Naval assault on what ever oppressive tools the terrorists mullahs still have.


84 posted on 06/06/2007 7:47:18 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

As much as I respect you, I don’t think you appreciate fully how weak our military resolve has become because of the liberals constant undermining of our security efforts.


85 posted on 06/06/2007 7:49:31 PM PDT by Nachoman (I can't help the way I think.)
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To: jveritas
Absolutely, I think we should be funneling them weapons now since they’ve been waging an undeclared war on us since 1979. To the Iranians who want to be free, I’d say we’ll help you with the weapons and tools. We could in some situations where it’d be helpful provide air cover, but obviously no ground troops except possibly Special Forces. The mullahs have made this necessary. It must go from concept to deed.
86 posted on 06/06/2007 7:54:03 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: Danae

We should be bombing Iran 24x7 until they stand down.


87 posted on 06/06/2007 7:55:20 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Regarding nation building in Iran if it comes to that...I totally agree that it would be foolish to try in Iran what we have attempted and are failing to do in Iraq.

The Iranian people are much more educated and self sufficient than the Iraqi people were at the time of regime change. A large majority of the Iranian population is under 30 years old and will be far better off to figure out how to create a more moderate government than they currently have.

Hopefully we have learned that we can no longer occupy these countries or try to craft a US-like government with a hands-on approach. This should not stop us from bombing their nuclear and conventional weapons factories immediately though. Wouldn’t it be a joy to see the people rise up and purge the Ayatollahs from power as a result!


88 posted on 06/06/2007 7:58:06 PM PDT by ParaVet93
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To: Nachoman
President Bush resolve is still strong my FRiend despite all the propaganda against him. Yes liberals, defeatists, and traitors, and even few on our side have been undermining the war and the military for long time but the President is still standing fast and we saw the latest showdown in the war funding bill and thanks God the President, our troops, and America won.
89 posted on 06/06/2007 8:00:39 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: elhombrelibre

Agree 100%.


90 posted on 06/06/2007 8:01:26 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: DevSix

“happening inside Iraq long before”

So you think that covert operations are working secretly inside Iran?

I hope that they are.

But, what about all the weapons that are being shipped from Iran to kill our guys now?


91 posted on 06/06/2007 8:10:43 PM PDT by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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To: All
YAWWWWWWWNNNNNN.....

So, who's watching American Idol tonight?

92 posted on 06/06/2007 8:12:10 PM PDT by Old Sarge (+ /_\)
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To: bluebeak

“What will be the media reports after Iran nukes Israel?”

Maybe this: If only Bush had been more sensitive to Islamic culture and tried to talk to the terrorists this would not have happened.

Once again America is to blame for another international tragedy.

We must declare Sharia Law in the US and publicly execute Bush as a gesture of good faith so that they will stop trying to hurt us.


93 posted on 06/06/2007 8:16:10 PM PDT by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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To: Danae; All
Iran and the Taliban had been fierce enemies when the Taliban was in power in Afghanistan, and their apparent collaboration came as a surprise to some in the intelligence community

Why would this come as a surprise to people in intelligence? The enemy of my enemy is my friend!!!!!

94 posted on 06/06/2007 8:17:06 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: Danae

Can you imagine if weapons and explosives were being delivered from the USA to Iranian dissidents that the media would accept uncritically the idea that there is no evidence that these were being provided by the Bush Administration, so it’s not Bush’s responsibility?

It’s pathetic when Bush gets blamed for idiotically remote problems (prison abuse in Baghdad, hurricane in LA), but the Iranians don’t get blamed for anything despite waging open war on us.


95 posted on 06/06/2007 8:41:21 PM PDT by Starrgaizr
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To: montag813

Bush talked real big, eh? What a disaster he has become.


96 posted on 06/06/2007 8:43:04 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fedora; Fred Nerks; ...

...but other than that, what has Iran done to anyone? ;’)


97 posted on 06/06/2007 9:02:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 31, 2007.)
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To: Danae
"I think their goal is to make it very clear that Iran has the capability to make life worse for the United States on a variety of fronts," said Seth Jones of the Rand Institute

Then obviously we need to respond in kind. Maybe by bunker busting their nuclear facilities?

98 posted on 06/06/2007 9:28:50 PM PDT by upchuck (If you don't have borders, you won't have a nation ~ Mark Steyn)
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To: Danae

Sanctions and a Vote of no Confidence at the UN should straighten them out. yup


99 posted on 06/06/2007 9:56:23 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: Danae
...and their apparent collaboration came as a surprise to some in the intelligence community.

Everyone to whome this was a suprise should have their clearances revoked and kicked to the curb where they can get jobs more appropriate to their analytical skill.

Perhaps they find something where the toughest question they will encounter is, "would you like fries with that?"

100 posted on 06/06/2007 10:10:37 PM PDT by PsyOp (Few people can distinguish between true good things and their opposites. - Juvenal, Satires.)
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