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N.H. woman challenges Romney on gay marriage
boston.com ^ | June 6, 2007 | Staff Writer

Posted on 06/06/2007 10:04:12 PM PDT by DieselHoplite

CONCORD, N.H. --A New Hampshire woman, frustrated with Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney's opposition to gay marriage, made a point Wednesday of telling him about her personal experience.

"I am a gay woman and I have children. Your comment that you just made, it sort of invalidates my family," said Cynthia Fish, a mother of a 6- and 8-year-old. "... I wish you could explain to me more, why if we are sending our troops over to fight for liberty and justice for all throughout this country, why not for me? Why not for my family?

Romney paused, asked Fish about her children and then praised her.

"Wonderful," Romney said. "I'm delighted that you have a family and you're happy with your family. That's the American way. ... People can live their lives as they choose and children can be a great source of joy, as you know. And I welcome that."

But then Romney repeated his view of marriage.

"Marriage is an institution which is designed to bring a man and woman together to raise a child and that the ideal setting for society at large is where there is a male and a female are associated with the development and nurturing a child," Romney said.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; gaymarriage; romney
Romney is brilliant!
1 posted on 06/06/2007 10:04:15 PM PDT by DieselHoplite
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To: DieselHoplite

Unflappable. That’s a quality I’m really beginning to admire in him. He just keeps coming.


2 posted on 06/06/2007 10:07:13 PM PDT by FremontLives (The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.)
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To: DieselHoplite

I have always thought bringing a child into this world knowing he/she wouldn’t have access to a Mother and a Father is just plain selfish. The adult wants a child but I suspect every child would appreciate having a Mother and a Father.


3 posted on 06/06/2007 10:16:03 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (I want a hero....I'm holding out for a hero (politically))
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To: AmericanMade1776; Austin1; bcbuster; bethtopaz; Bluestateredman; brivette; BullHalsey; ...

Ping!


4 posted on 06/06/2007 10:22:00 PM PDT by DieselHoplite
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To: DieselHoplite

Romney drove the liberal media in Mass absolutely nuts. The attacked him constantly but nothing would stick. You are right, he is brilliant!


5 posted on 06/06/2007 10:23:51 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: DieselHoplite

Mitt handled that very well!

I’m afraid I would have said something like, “Uh-huh, like you’d vote for me, anyway!”


6 posted on 06/06/2007 10:27:31 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (You are my tagline, my only tagline, you make me happy when skies are gray...)
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To: DieselHoplite

I’m really proud of him that he didn’t condemn the woman for the choice she made. He didn’t agree with it, but he still showed interest in the woman and her children.

Thank you for posting the REAL article, btw, and not some contortion of the truth like the “news” thread that was posted earlier.


7 posted on 06/06/2007 10:31:19 PM PDT by VegasBaby (Romney '08)
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To: DieselHoplite
"Wonderful," Romney said. "I'm delighted that you have a family and you're happy with your family. That's the American way. ... People can live their lives as they choose and children can be a great source of joy, as you know. And I welcome that."

The man is a brilliant politician for sure. The question is, is that a compliment or an insult?

8 posted on 06/06/2007 10:33:53 PM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: Northern Alliance

What would you have preferred him to say?

He didn’t criticize the woman, but instead said that she made her choice. He then proceeded to state that he believed in the institution of marriage between a man and woman and that the main purpose of marriage is to bear and raise children with a mom and a dad.

If he would have blasted her, that might have made some conservatives on this board happy, but wouldn’t have looked very compassionate to most people.


9 posted on 06/06/2007 10:37:24 PM PDT by VegasBaby (Romney '08)
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To: FremontLives
Unflappable.

That's great. The question is "Is he unflippable?"

10 posted on 06/06/2007 10:39:03 PM PDT by wai-ming
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To: DieselHoplite

“Romney is brilliant!”

It was a pretty obvious response. Not really brilliant.

He also said “There are other ways to raise kids that’s fine: single moms, grandparents raising kids, gay couples raising kids. That’s the American way, to have people have their freedom of choice,”

Gay couples raising kids, why it’s the American way! Mom, apple pie, and confused gender roles.

Not so brilliant.

Talking in the debates about supporting “moderate Islam.” Can someone point it out? I must have missed it.

Another gaffe: Sounds like he wants to pass Kerry’s “global test.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1846230/posts

Addressing civic and business leaders, the former Massachusetts governor chided Bush as his fellow Republican traveled overseas for an economic summit and a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has been critical of U.S. efforts to install a missile defense shield in Europe.

“I do think that we have suffered over the past several years for a number of reasons, and I think you probably know what they are,” Romney said, citing the absence of strong international support in the lead-up to the war.

“There has been the perception that we have not been as open and participative with other nations as is our normal approach,” he said.


11 posted on 06/06/2007 10:41:22 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Amnesty alone didn't kill the GOP - socialism did long ago. The stench you smell now is it's corpse.)
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To: DieselHoplite

Romney is the man!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgY3AZ14JFk


12 posted on 06/06/2007 10:41:42 PM PDT by TopoGigio
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To: VegasBaby

Bad Situation, He did his best to settle it. Funny, had this been any Democrat confronted by a Conservative Christian about their pro-abort stance or something or other, the AP would have never picked up on it. It’s only cause they hate and fear Romney that they would plaster this all over the news wires.


13 posted on 06/06/2007 10:42:37 PM PDT by MassachusettsGOP (May the West and Republicans Always Win...)
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To: DieselHoplite

Quote from article...

“Wonderful,” Romney said. “I’m delighted that you have a family and you’re happy with your family. That’s the American way. ... People can live their lives as they choose and children can be a great source of joy, as you know. And I welcome that.”

Accurate quote:

““There are other ways to raise kids that’s fine: single moms, grandparents raising kids, gay couples raising kids. That’s the American way, to have people have their freedom of choice,”


14 posted on 06/06/2007 10:44:19 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Amnesty alone didn't kill the GOP - socialism did long ago. The stench you smell now is it's corpse.)
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To: Northern Alliance; VegasBaby

It’s a deflecting non-answer. A more accurate answer to this narcissistic demand for approval for such behavior, such as:

“What a pity for your children that they won’t have someone they can call ‘father’ while growing up. You’ve made your choices, but have the children had a chance to make theirs?”

might not go over so well.

“If he would have blasted her, that might have made some conservatives on this board happy, but wouldn’t have looked very compassionate to most people.”

Politicians cant fix the culture, but if we cannot respond in a way that makes clear the right to make moral judgements about such choices, we’ve lost the argument before its begun. McCain feels he can treat concerned pro-border-security citizens like dirt but this woman gets kid gloves for whining.

Unflappable Mr Romney, good. Cultural windsock, not good.

At least he stuck to his guns on marriage:

“Marriage is an institution which is designed to bring a man and woman together to raise a child and that the ideal setting for society at large is where there is a male and a female are associated with the development and nurturing a child,” Romney said.


15 posted on 06/06/2007 11:39:18 PM PDT by WOSG (Stop Illegal Immigration. Call your Senator today. Senate Switchboard at 202-224-3121.))
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To: VegasBaby
What would you have preferred him to say?

The truth instead of an answer framed to make him 'look compassionate'? Or do you think he really believes her choice is 'wonderful'? Hey, read my post again. I know these are not simple issues. Nobody's perfect but let's look at every aspect of every candidate. We are all friends here.

"Wonderful," Romney said. "I'm delighted that you have a family and you're happy with your family. That's the American way. ... People can live their lives as they choose and children can be a great source of joy, as you know. And I welcome that."

16 posted on 06/07/2007 1:25:27 AM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: Northern Alliance

Children 6 and 8 are firts accomplis, not theortical arguments. He saw that.


17 posted on 06/07/2007 2:19:49 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: All

It is hypocritical to complain about Romney’s answer when just a few short years ago, everyone thought Dick Cheney walked on water. When in truth, he was always a squishy cultural conservative.


18 posted on 06/07/2007 2:49:13 AM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: DieselHoplite
"I am a gay woman and I have children. Your comment that you just made, it sort of invalidates my family," said Cynthia Fish, a mother of a 6- and 8-year-old.

Biology invalidates it, Mitt Romney didn't need to, she did it all by herself! She needed sperm in her vagina and it came from a man!

19 posted on 06/07/2007 2:52:55 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
She needed sperm in her vagina and it came from a man!

No comment. LOL.
20 posted on 06/07/2007 3:16:52 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: VegasBaby

I am proud of him too he did not demean another but let them know it is not the best way.

Some here insist the answer has to offend or chastised another who thinking is estrange from the norm.


22 posted on 06/07/2007 3:37:44 AM PDT by restornu (Let heal the nation and we will have lessen the pain so many can receive the Love of the Lord!)
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To: DieselHoplite

How refreshing it would have been if he had told it like it is, on an obvious set-up / ambush question.


23 posted on 06/07/2007 4:32:37 AM PDT by ikka
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To: ikka; DelphiUser

it take years some times to get the proper words I my self have wressle with it so I would not be misunderstood!

The Lord tells us to love one another and also not to condone those who are out of step!

When we tell those who are estrange from the walk in a mean way how are they ever going to feel the Love of the Lord.

But we must show unconditional love, yet make it very firm that their actions are not aceptable!

I think Mitt has foundly found the key to make it clear for all involved!


24 posted on 06/07/2007 4:52:24 AM PDT by restornu (Let heal the nation and we will have lessen the pain so many can receive the Love of the Lord!)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
supporting “moderate Islam.”

There are people who are muslim, but are moderate in their beliefs, not taking that faith literally, not adhering to strict articles of practice. Like many christian churches who largely ignore the bible. But with muslims, the rest of us consider that a good thing.

We have a conservative muslim candidate for office, his kids go to catholic school. I'm pretty sure that would violate the creed of a more strident muslim. Heck, any muslim who loves America pretty much has to be a "moderate".

25 posted on 06/07/2007 7:01:03 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Northern Alliance

Well, he never said he was “delighted” for her children.

And it’s really really hard to attack a person who already has kids for having them. I think I agree with what I think your position is, that the “right” answer is that it is selfish to bring children into the world purposely without a biological father and mother.

But even when I say that here on FR, I get a LOT of attacks from those who couldn’t have their own kids, who took other means to bring children into the world for themselves.

I thought he almost covered it though, explaining that it’s BEST for a child to have both a father and a mother. He said that TO the woman who chose NOT to give that to her children. He could have been more obvious, he COULD have said after that that while he was happy for HER, he still thought in the end children were better off if they have both a father and a mother.

But since he DID say that, just not directly, I applaud his response.


26 posted on 06/07/2007 7:06:01 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: DieselHoplite
Romney still seems clueless on how to appeal to conservatives, especially social conservatives, which seems somewhat surprising given his Mormon background. No Republican, not even Giuliani, will win the pervert vote over any of the Democrat candidates. As with economic issues, no Republican, not even a RINO, can outpromise a liberal Democrat. If a RINO supports civil unions for homosexuals, then Hillary or Obama will favor full marriage rights. If a RINO supports some abortions, then his Democrat opponent will support full abortion rights, including the savagery euphemistically called partial birth abortion.

If Romney wants to appeal to the center right, he should have ignored or criticized this woman. Otherwise, he has not broken out of the "Rudy McRomney" RINO mold.

27 posted on 06/07/2007 7:15:22 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: restornu
The Lord tells us to love one another

The Lord also tells us what this means:
"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments." 1 John 5:2-3.

28 posted on 06/07/2007 7:18:15 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: DieselHoplite

Perhaps he should have said, “I applaud your decision to rear your family according to your own views, but as president I have a responsibility to the whole of society. It is my considered judgment that society is better served when marriage is limited to a union a man and woman. I regret that you do not share those views, but I have arrived at them after prayerful thought and consideration.
It is unfortunate that you are unwilling to give me the same consideration that I willingly grant to you. Now, you are free to live as you wish, but you have no right to insist that I and the rest of society change our views to suit your predilections.”


29 posted on 06/07/2007 7:21:28 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: DieselHoplite
I saw him yesterday in Manchester and shook his hand.

This man is solid and he has my vote.

30 posted on 06/07/2007 7:23:06 AM PDT by Scarchin (+)
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To: aimhigh
1 Thes. 3
11 Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.

12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:

13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.


31 posted on 06/07/2007 7:41:01 AM PDT by restornu (Romney - Hunter 08)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Boy oh boy, and I thought Fred’s supporters were touchy!
Somebody not seeing my post must think I called him a weasel or something.

My position on parenting choices is not the issue. Frankly I couldn’t care less about this woman and her kids.

Who will be our candidate for President of the USA is the issue. If Romney honestly thinks this woman’s choices are ‘wonderful’ then it’s wonderful that he said so. I kind of doubt that is the case, though. I think he gave a superbly political and also politically correct response but not a heartfelt one. If you guys want to give him an expediency pass on that - fine. I’m not saying I won’t either. I’m not naive. I am just expressing some ambivalence about it.

I’ll repeat what I said before. He is a superb politician as this incident dramatically makes clear. Really that is all I wanted to say. It’s up to you if you consider that an insult or not.

You are getting off on a tangent about single vs two parent families and I’m not going to touch that one with a 10’ pole - not tonight (it’s nighttime here) anyway. ;-)


32 posted on 06/07/2007 8:30:45 AM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: Northern Alliance

In the book of Proverbs it says, “He that wins souls is wise.” It’s not talking about winning souls for salvation, but being winsome, as in “How To Win Friends and Influence People” by Dale Carnegie. Looks like Mitt is just taking advice from the Bible.


33 posted on 06/07/2007 8:34:47 AM PDT by bethtopaz (Stop Global Whining!)
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To: Wallace T.
I don't think so.

Required reading:
The Bible
Ronald Reagan biographies

34 posted on 06/07/2007 8:54:37 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: redgirlinabluestate
I presume you are referring to the same Bible where Jesus Christ called the Pharisees whitewashed tombs, serpents. and hypocrites, where Paul called his opponents “hypocritical liars” (I Tim. 4:2) and “gossips and busybodies” (I Tim. 5:13), or John, who referred to peoples as “liars” and “Antichrists” (I John 2 and II John). As for Ronald Reagan, I don’t know to what biography you are referring, but I do recall him terming the Soviet Union an evil empire.
35 posted on 06/07/2007 9:17:31 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.
I guess you can pick and choose which Bible verses you choose to live your life by, and Reagan was right about The Soviet Union. They were an evil empire.

However, Reagan was not running for President of the Soviet Union, while Romney is running to be the President of all Americans. You can be kind and civil without compromising one's own principles. Reagan was the master of that.

A great leader will focus on what unites us, not what divdes us. Reminds me of one of my favorite Reagan quotes:

"Whatever else history may say about me when I'm gone, I hope it will record that I appealed to your best hopes, not your worst fears; to your confidence rather than your doubts. My dream is that you will travel the road ahead with liberty's lamp guiding your steps and opportunities arm steadying your way."
~~Ronald Reagan Republican National Convention, Aug. 17, 1992

If you want to read up on what Reagan thought about this issue. I've linked it in a previous post here.

36 posted on 06/07/2007 9:52:20 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (Attract conservatives --- don't repel them)
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To: Wallace T.

“”Romney still seems clueless on how to appeal to conservatives, especially social conservatives, which seems somewhat surprising given his Mormon background. No Republican, not even Giuliani, will win the pervert vote over any of the Democrat candidates.””

I’m not exactly sure what is is that you want.

Romney told her that he’s glad that she’s happy (no reason not to be). But that he thought that family and marriage was best preserved as being between a man and a woman. De facto, her form of child-bearing was inferior in his eyes.

I’m sorry, as someone with gay colleagues and even one or two I’d call a friend, I’d think much less of a candidate who was overly hostile to this woman. I think most Americans would, as well. And really, not just as someone with gay friends, but any friends. It’s not cultivated behavior to strike out at others like that.

Romney handled this question with class. Sure, he’s happy for her, but he doesn’t stand where she does on issue, and he made that clear. That’s all that need be said.

Romney isn’t running an institution responsible for rearing children or overseeing the public morality of a populace. He’s running for a public office. There’s on excuse to treat someone like dirt in that situation.

I support only traditional marriage and am opposed to civil unions, too, but I think this was a great rsponse to her question. So until I see what kind of response you wanted, I guess I’m going to have to concede that there are some who don’t see me as a social conservative, or I’m going to have to disagree with you on your premise.


37 posted on 06/07/2007 11:01:42 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: CheyennePress
More than Giuliani or McCain, Romney needs to appeal to conservatives to stay viable, especially with the possible entry of Fred Thompson in the race. He also has a track record as a social liberal in Massachusetts when he served as governor, including anti-gun and pro-abortion statements. I grant that Romney could have had a "Damascus road" type conversion to political conservatism. However, insofar as he is now trying to position himself as a conservative, his statements need to be consistent and not compromising. The last thing Romney needs is to be labeled a flip-flopper on the order of John Kerry.

How would people react to Romney if he stated, with regard to business ethics, that he believed that honesty is the best policy, but that it was all right to alter business records to decrease tax payments if a business had cash flow problems or was losing money. Or if he said, fidelity within marriage was the best path, but a little sexual adventure now and again is understandable. If Romney fudged on the issues of business ethics or faithfulness to one's spouse, he would be roundly condemned. Why should we apply a different standard to the matter of homosexuals or lesbians raising children, or of unmarried women having children out of wedlock?

Faux politeness, or political correctness, has effectively emasculated political, religious, and social leaders so that few dare denounce moral degeneracy for what it is.

38 posted on 06/07/2007 11:43:37 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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