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Racy Cartoons Make Bart Simpson Look Like a, Um, Saint
Medill Reports ^ | June 7, 2007 | Phillip Turner

Posted on 06/07/2007 12:38:23 PM PDT by EveningStar

When cartoons lampooning religion can make even Bart Simpson look like a saint, you know you’re dealing with some racy material.

Tune into Comedy Central's "South Park" and you'll find Jesus boxing Satan, while over on Fox's "Family Guy," you'll find God as a white-robed, bearded creator setting off the world's big bang by passing gas.

Writers for Fox's "The Simpsons" long ago tapped into religion as a source of gentle jokes and story lines. In doing so, the show opened the way for hip, animated comedies like "South Park" and "Family Guy" to up the ante in joking about religion, often to the point of mockery...

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KEYWORDS: cartoons; familyguy; religion; satire; southpark; thesimpsons
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1 posted on 06/07/2007 12:38:25 PM PDT by EveningStar
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2 posted on 06/07/2007 12:40:04 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
Actually, South Park mocks hypocrisy in religious institutions.
3 posted on 06/07/2007 12:41:21 PM PDT by The Blitherer (These are not dark days; these are great days - the greatest days our country has ever lived. -WSC)
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To: The Blitherer; EveningStar

Exactly.

And get ready for the inevitable “Yeah, but they won’t take on the muzzies” comment.


4 posted on 06/07/2007 12:43:16 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008 (or Fred Thompson if he ever makes up his mind))
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To: The Blitherer

“Actually, South Park mocks hypocrisy in religious institutions.”

Actually South Park mocks everything.
I have no problem with South Park. It’s not meant for kids, if your kids watch it, you have issues.
Most of the time I get the humor. They had one particularly offensive episode with a “blood orgy” for Christmas. That was past my threshold, so what did I do? Hmmmm, I could have:
Made a web page.
Made a blog entry.
Wrote letters.
Organized protests.
Organized boycotts.
Posted on FR.

Or,
Turn the channel.

I turned the channel.


5 posted on 06/07/2007 12:46:01 PM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: EveningStar

Slow news day?


6 posted on 06/07/2007 12:47:40 PM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: Larry Lucido; The Blitherer
And get ready for the inevitable “Yeah, but they won’t take on the muzzies” comment.

I wonder how long it will take?

7 posted on 06/07/2007 12:48:10 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: subterfuge

No. Why?


8 posted on 06/07/2007 12:49:11 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: The Blitherer

I gotta say if I were Jesus I would not be offended by my representations on South Park.

Of course, that is kinda his job. (A little SP humor, here.)

There is always an underlying respect seldom afforded other characters.


9 posted on 06/07/2007 12:50:04 PM PDT by Sir Clean Plate Club (Gore feels things are getting warmer because he is on his way to Hell)
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To: brownsfan

Oh, it’s meant for kids alright; just the ones who are still avoiding potty-training all the way to the grave.


10 posted on 06/07/2007 12:52:25 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: EveningStar
Of course, one's religion deserves a bit of respect. But any religion that isn't strong enough to stand up to mockery, ridicule and even blasphemy isn't a true religion.

Catholics & Protestants have suffered for thousands of years with this. It makes them unhappy, it makes them miserable, it makes them indignant & angry, but the one thing it doesn't make them is homicidal.

Thus, the not-so-surprising irony: Christianity is an enduring religion and because it's core nature is a respect for Life, it's a target primarily because of some hypocrites who unfortunately claim to be representative.

And yet, Islam is unconditionally off-limits so much to the effect that if you even think something naughty, by golly, it's your a$$.

11 posted on 06/07/2007 12:54:02 PM PDT by kromike
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To: EveningStar
No. Why?

I was directing that at the author. It just seems like they ("journalists") trot out the "SP is over the top!" garbage whenever they have nothing else to write about. but you're right. It is NOT a slow news day! Thanks for the ping.

12 posted on 06/07/2007 12:54:10 PM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: The Blitherer

I liked the Easter Bunny episode wher Kyle the jewish kind has to kill Jesus so he can be reborn and save the world.
Kyle agrees to do it, but only if Jesus won’t tell Cartman ( the little nazi wannabe). The humor is about as subtle as an A Bomb, and has the same precision craftmanship an A bomb requires.


13 posted on 06/07/2007 12:58:38 PM PDT by Waverunner ( "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." Voltaire)
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To: EveningStar

Don’t anti-Christian cartoons give us the right to rampage through the streets burning Lexuses and torching mosques?


14 posted on 06/07/2007 1:01:17 PM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Cruel is a matter of perspective." Cap'n Jack Sparrow)
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To: subterfuge
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15 posted on 06/07/2007 1:01:25 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
Say what you like, but South Park is up there with Stephen Colbert and Sacha Baron Cohen for the Jonathan Swift-esque of our time.

The same can't be said about Family Guy, although it's 100% politically incorrect and offensive to everybody. That's why I like it.
16 posted on 06/07/2007 1:03:27 PM PDT by justt bloomin ("Political correctness is really the only form of hate speech." Mike Adams, UNC-W)
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To: EveningStar
I think the author is right that South Park is all for spirituality, but very much against organized religion.

If there is a motto that SP lives by I would say it is this quote by George Carlin, "I love and treasure individuals as I meet them, I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to."
17 posted on 06/07/2007 1:05:33 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You remember my guitar? That is where it gently weeps.)
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To: EveningStar; Larry Lucido; The Blitherer

11.


18 posted on 06/07/2007 1:07:28 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (THOMPSON '08)
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To: brownsfan

You forgot the Muslim Option: rioting, death threats and beheadings.


19 posted on 06/07/2007 1:07:49 PM PDT by BJClinton (Jimmy Carter: the Renaissance Man of incompetence)
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To: Larry Lucido
And get ready for the inevitable “Yeah, but they won’t take on the muzzies” comment.

To south parks credit, they tried and got shot down, and were not to happy about it.

20 posted on 06/07/2007 1:08:03 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M
To south parks credit, they tried and got shot down, and were not to happy about it.

Exactly, so they did the next best thing. They took on the Western "don't touch anything Muslim" Thought Police.

21 posted on 06/07/2007 1:12:55 PM PDT by The Blitherer (These are not dark days; these are great days - the greatest days our country has ever lived. -WSC)
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To: EveningStar

If I want to watch trash I’ll go into the garbage cans!


22 posted on 06/07/2007 1:13:28 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: I'm ALL Right!

Bravo! Well said!


23 posted on 06/07/2007 1:14:04 PM PDT by The Blitherer (These are not dark days; these are great days - the greatest days our country has ever lived. -WSC)
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To: EveningStar

Actually, South Park has gotten pretty lame in the last year.

I still watch all the old episodes, but they just got too preachy and drag out the soapbox on too much stuff that isn’t funny.

I miss chef.


24 posted on 06/07/2007 1:18:17 PM PDT by baclava
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To: EveningStar
I don't have a problem with Southpark for the most part since, like another FReeper mentioned, they lampoon religious hypocrisy instead of the religion itself.

Family Guy, however, seems to revel in mocking not only Christians, but God himself. It can be a very funny show (I still watch it when then episodes don't involve Christian bashing) but I sure would like to find out just what the creators of Family Guy have against Christinanity and Christians in general.

I just don't find mocking someone's religion like that to be funny, that's all.
25 posted on 06/07/2007 1:27:14 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (I'm Fred, White and Blue!)
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To: EveningStar

I am a real fan of South Park because they satirize just about everything which is just what we need in our increasingly PC world. Where else can someone poke fun at cheating in the Special Olympics?


26 posted on 06/07/2007 1:32:55 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: EveningStar
I thought the article was a little too soft on ‘The Simpsons.’ Recent episodes have done everything they can to portray people of faith (Flanders in particular) as brainless, bigoted loons who are inevitably proven wrong every time they’re featured in an episode.
I just hope the Simpsons movie is less biased than the last couple seasons of the show have been.
27 posted on 06/07/2007 1:41:34 PM PDT by Chewie84
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To: reagan_fanatic
“I don’t have a problem with Southpark for the most part since, like another FReeper mentioned, they lampoon religious hypocrisy instead of the religion itself.”

I dunno. What SP did to the Mormons was really leveled at the foundations of their faith and not any kind of hypocrisy. How many times did they say Mormons were “dumb, dumb, dumb” for their beliefs?

28 posted on 06/07/2007 1:46:59 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: reagan_fanatic
Family Guy, however, seems to revel in mocking not only Christians, but God himself. It can be a very funny show (I still watch it when then episodes don't involve Christian bashing) but I sure would like to find out just what the creators of Family Guy have against Christinanity and Christians in general.

Family Guy vs Christianity

29 posted on 06/07/2007 1:49:10 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Waverunner

Hippitus hoppitus.


30 posted on 06/07/2007 1:57:51 PM PDT by Sir Clean Plate Club (Gore feels things are getting warmer because he is on his way to Hell)
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To: Chewie84
I am not sure what version of the Simpsons you have been watching, but, I haven’t seen them ever portray Flanders as anything but a kind and protective (sometimes overprotective) father. He is sometimes shown as Naive, but, many people are naive without being stupid. Flanders is also shown as overcoming adversity with faith.

I have always thought the Simsons were very respectful to Faith, while ragging on religions.

In fact, when they actually have shown God, they show God with normal human features (five fingers and toes) and normal colored skin. Of course God is not human, but, many have personified God in the past, and, I am sure that many more will in the future.

Of course, the best show was left out.

(to the opening theme)

Futurama...Futurama...Futurama...FUturamamama.

31 posted on 06/07/2007 1:58:35 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: brownsfan
C'mon, are people really offended by Hitler and Satan singing "It's Christmastime in Hell!"?

The only time that I've really been offended by them (so I guess they aren't trying hard enough) is when they phone it in, like the Oprah-Towelley episode.

32 posted on 06/07/2007 2:00:06 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Liberal when I married her.)
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To: Kirkwood

To be fair, you can’t nitpick parts out of the Mormon episode without the context of the resolution dialogue:

Stan: You guys were right, okay? The new kid’s a douche. Now I just gotta find a way to keep him away from me.

Gary: [shows up] Hey Stan.

Stan: Oh brother.

Cartman: Uh oh, the jilted lover returns.

Gary: Listen, I just wanted to let you know you don’t have to worry about me tryin’ to be your friend anymore.

Stan: I don’t?

Gary: Look, maybe us Mormons do believe in crazy stories that make absolutely no sense, and maybe Joseph Smith did make it all up, but I have a great life. and a great family, and I have the Book of Mormon to thank for that. The truth is, I don’t care if Joseph Smith made it all up, because what the church teaches now is loving your family, being nice and helping people. And even though people in this town might think that’s stupid, I still choose to believe in it. All I ever did was try to be your friend, Stan, but you’re so high and mighty you couldn’t look past my religion and just be my friend back. You’ve got a lot of growing up to do, buddy. Suck my balls. [turns around and walks off. All four boys just look at him in wonder, even Cartman.]

Cartman: Damn, that kid is cool, huh?


It’s not quite that black and white.


33 posted on 06/07/2007 2:32:11 PM PDT by Thoro (Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.)
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To: Conan the Librarian
“I am not sure what version of the Simpsons you have been watching.....”

I’ve been watching the version of the Simpsons they show on Fox at 8:00 EST on Sunday evenings.

“...I haven’t seen them ever portray Flanders as anything but a kind and protective (sometimes overprotective) father.”
Well, see, that WAS how he was portrayed for most of the show’s run, but over the last few seasons, the episodes where he plays a prominent role appear to be more geared towards portraying him as a mean, dumb zealot whose views are always shown as wrong.
For example, in the episode “The Monkey Suit,” Flanders was portrayed as stupid and ignorant for believing in Creationism (In fact, that’s how pretty much ALL of the Creationists in that episode were portrayed). In the recent episode “You Kent Always Say What You Want,” Kent Brockman curses on the air, and Ned Flanders is depicted as a pathetic, paranoid nutcase for alerting a religious watchdog group to this outburst and ultimately getting Brockman fired.
I WISH they’d go back to portraying Ned as the prudish yet friendly and warm- hearted guy next door.

34 posted on 06/07/2007 4:17:45 PM PDT by Chewie84
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To: Kirkwood
I think the point of that ep was that the Mormon family, however bizarre their theology was, were the nicest people in town. In other words, judge them by their actions, not their beliefs. Btw, SP co-creator Trey dated a Mormon girl when he was younger, and maintains that she and her family were the nicest, happiest people around, so that may be his basis for using Mormons as a vehicle to advance this point. BTW, he played a Mormon missionary in his movie Orgazmo.
35 posted on 06/07/2007 5:10:07 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: brownsfan
They had one particularly offensive episode with a “blood orgy” for Christmas.

Best. Episode. Ever! (for the boy in the red poofball hat)

36 posted on 06/07/2007 7:54:22 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (conservatism as the fusion of libertarianism and traditionalism - John Stuart Mill and Edmund Burke)
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To: kromike; The Blitherer; EveningStar; Larry Lucido

16 minutes.


37 posted on 06/07/2007 8:12:32 PM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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To: cubreporter

Why even bother to post here then? Seems like a waste of time.


38 posted on 06/07/2007 8:16:41 PM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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To: EveningStar

South Park is great. Did this guy just discover it or something?


39 posted on 06/07/2007 8:21:08 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: cubreporter

So don’t watch it. Nobody cares what you watch.


40 posted on 06/07/2007 8:23:16 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Old Professer

So don’t watch it.


41 posted on 06/07/2007 8:23:55 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: subterfuge
Slow news day?

Not even close.

The South Park discussion thread has been around for a couple of years, at least, and is a weekly occurrence.

Evidently, You've been out of touch..

42 posted on 06/07/2007 10:52:03 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom - It's not just a job, It's an Adventure)
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To: Drammach

See post 12 genius. Sheesh. Does anyone around here give a FReeper the benefit of the doubt?


43 posted on 06/08/2007 5:20:19 AM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: EveningStar

I understand there are people so out of touch with popular culture as to not know about Family Guy or South Park and even easier to miss the generally conservative themes in South Park.

But how could Phillip Turner be so stupid as to write about them as if this a new situation without a quick search to find out they have been on the air for 9 and 11 years respectively.

And how did it his editor publish it?


44 posted on 06/08/2007 5:21:25 AM PDT by gondramB (Do not do to others as you would not wish done to yourself. Thus no murmuring will rise against you.)
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To: Sir Clean Plate Club
"There is always an underlying respect seldom afforded other characters."

I agree. And often the message is that Jesus is too easily taken for granted and/or ignored by too many of us.

45 posted on 06/08/2007 5:51:57 AM PDT by sweet_diane ("They hate us 'cause they ain't us.")
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To: EveningStar
"Writers for Fox's "The Simpsons" long ago tapped into religion as a source of gentle jokes and story lines. In doing so, the show opened the way for hip, animated comedies like "South Park"

Just sounds to me like the writer is wanting to give The Simpson's credit for South Park. IMHO, The Simpson's haven't been funny in years.

46 posted on 06/08/2007 6:01:30 AM PDT by sweet_diane ("They hate us 'cause they ain't us.")
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To: ozzymandus

I don’t. I’m sure you don’t care either like=I don’t care what you watch. This was a statement. Nothing to get defensive about. It IS a choice and I made mine as you did yours.


47 posted on 06/08/2007 4:41:19 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: MacDorcha

Uhhh, because it is my right and I’m a member? Think?


48 posted on 06/08/2007 4:41:39 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Larry Lucido

Yeah, but they won’t take on the Zoroastrians.


49 posted on 06/08/2007 4:45:01 PM PDT by G-dzilla (They never say anything controversial about the Bahai, either)
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To: cubreporter

Ah, “Because, that’s why”

Yeah, that arguement didnt get me anywhere in philosophy class either.

I asked a simple question. Why would you waste your time posting on something you already have a closed opinion about? That would be like walking in on a Star Wars movie marathon with dozens of people watching and yelling “Boring!”

Fine, you have an opinion. It just seemed like a waste of your time. I was wondering why you would go out of your way to post something so... curt. (And knowing full well it wasn’t in keeping with the other people in the discussion)

So, “Think?” Back atcha.


50 posted on 06/08/2007 6:53:15 PM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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