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Bill Would Change Bathroom Doors (MA politics in the toilet)
WCVB/TV ^ | june 7,2007

Posted on 06/07/2007 1:05:03 PM PDT by Kimmers

Proposal Would Have Doors Swing Out, Not In

BOSTON -- If Bellingham resident Douglas Flavin has his way, all public bathroom doors in Massachusetts will open outward, not inward.

The Legislature's Committee on State Administration and Regulatory Oversight reviewed the bill Wednesday. State Rep. James Vallee (D-Franklin) filed the bill on Flavin's behalf.

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"[Think] how easy it would be to prevent germs and disease," Flavin's wife Tracy told BostonNow. "If state residents could open bathroom doors with a knee or elbow instead of a handle."

Flavin also claimed it would prevent litter resulting from people protecting their hands with paper towels.

A representative for the state Department of Public Safety told the newspaper that the state building code does not specify the direction public bathroom doors must open.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bathroom; bigbrother; edict; nannystate; politics; toilet
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1 posted on 06/07/2007 1:05:03 PM PDT by Kimmers
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To: Kimmers

Oh my! Let’s imagine you kick the door open and someone is standing on the other side. They might get a nose bleed and everyone woulb be exposed to communicable disease.

Good grief, when will the government quit micro-managing our lives! Oh yeah, never.


2 posted on 06/07/2007 1:07:28 PM PDT by colorcountry ( We need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Duncan Hunter))
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To: Kimmers
If state residents could open bathroom doors with a knee or elbow instead of a handle

These must be some of those creeps who never flush the toilets (presumably to avoid touching anything).

3 posted on 06/07/2007 1:07:58 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Kimmers

But then the air from the bathroom would be sucked out, instead of the air from the outside being sucked in. This would expose the entire building to odors and bacteria from the bathroom, rather than containing it within the bathroom and having it processed through normal air filtration, not to mention the risk of the door opening on the face of someone passing by or getting ready to enter the bathroom.

No, this is fraught, extremely fraught. Leave well enough alone.


4 posted on 06/07/2007 1:08:12 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to islam since 1959.)
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To: Kimmers

You know, all architects are idiots. They can’t figure things out based on local conditions or usage patterns. What they really need is a bunch of uneducated, ignorant politicians imposing a one-size-fits-all policy from hundreds of miles away.


5 posted on 06/07/2007 1:08:17 PM PDT by gridlock (Why be "fair" to a lawbreaker who lives here but not be "fair" to a law abiding person in Mexico?)
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To: Kimmers

Let’s make them out of clear glass and you can see if someone is coming or going...


6 posted on 06/07/2007 1:08:24 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: Kimmers

We need less stupid laws, not more. It amy or may not be a good idea, we just don’t need another frickin law!


7 posted on 06/07/2007 1:08:33 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Kimmers

This is what you get when you have a Legislature in session all year.


8 posted on 06/07/2007 1:08:45 PM PDT by AU72
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To: colorcountry

Why don’t they just take the doors off?


9 posted on 06/07/2007 1:09:31 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: Cementjungle

That’s actually a fetish. Don’t be hating the diversity crowd.


10 posted on 06/07/2007 1:09:34 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: Kimmers

Actually, this really *should* be standard practice.


11 posted on 06/07/2007 1:10:01 PM PDT by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Kimmers
"[Think] how easy it would be to prevent germs and disease," Flavin's wife Tracy told BostonNow. "If state residents could open bathroom doors with a knee or elbow instead of a handle."

I think it's a good thing she's started worrying about germs and stopped pulling her hair out and triple-checking whether she turned the iron off.
12 posted on 06/07/2007 1:10:09 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Lord, I apologize . . . and be with the starving pygmies in New Guinea amen.)
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To: Kimmers

Dang it. Now that I see it is Massachucetts, why wouldn’t they just put in doors that “swing both ways?”


13 posted on 06/07/2007 1:10:20 PM PDT by colorcountry ( We need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Duncan Hunter))
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To: Kimmers

“”[Think] how easy it would be to prevent germs and disease,” Flavin’s wife Tracy told BostonNow. “If state residents could open bathroom doors with a knee or elbow instead of a handle.”

A survey of cleanliness (germs) in public bathrooms showed that the CLEANEST place was the inside door handle/knob.


14 posted on 06/07/2007 1:10:36 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Kimmers
New solution:


15 posted on 06/07/2007 1:10:52 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: Kimmers

Jerry Seinfeld suggested that people be allowed to use rope swings to move in and out of the bathroom, so you can swing in, pee, and swing out without touching anything. Leave it to a germaphobe.


16 posted on 06/07/2007 1:14:03 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Kimmers

Doesn’t matter which way the doors open; use the paper towel you dry your hands with after washing them to open the door. If there’s a trash receptacle within reach, drop the towel in it as you exit. Otherwise carry it to the next trash can you see after leaving the restroom.

Why do people have to try to make things like this so difficult?


17 posted on 06/07/2007 1:14:27 PM PDT by Marauder (Allah = Lucifer)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Clare: What’s wrong with the belt?

Jerry: I went to the movies last night, I went to the bathroom and I unbuckled a little wobbly and the buckle kind of banged against the side of the urinal. So…(throws away belt) that’s it!

Clare: So, you’re insane?

Jerry: Oh yes, quite.

< /seinfeld >
18 posted on 06/07/2007 1:17:12 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: Xenalyte

heh, heh. Well said.


19 posted on 06/07/2007 1:17:29 PM PDT by spald
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To: Marauder

They mentioned that people were littering with the paper towels they used on the doors. Of course, it would be easily solved by putting the trash can OUTSIDE, instead of inside.

They could put motors on the doors, so you can just push a button. That also makes them handicap-friendly, I’m surprised in a liberal state like Mass. they haven’t already mandated that every bathroom be wheelchair and double-amputee accessable.


20 posted on 06/07/2007 1:17:37 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Too busy installing basins for washing feet.


21 posted on 06/07/2007 1:18:24 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: Cementjungle
I thought that was why G-d invented feet (to flip seats and flush public toilets with, that is).

Of course, I’m probably going to slip & fall doing that one of these days and get germs all over me in the process...

22 posted on 06/07/2007 1:19:37 PM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary numbers, and those who don't.)
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To: Cementjungle
I thought that was why G-d invented feet (to flip seats and flush public toilets with, that is).

Of course, I’m probably going to slip & fall doing that one of these days and get germs all over me in the process...

23 posted on 06/07/2007 1:19:45 PM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary numbers, and those who don't.)
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To: Kimmers

Funny story. My employer was testing all sorts of auto-gizmos for the bathroom, I guess to handle this whole “i don’t want to touch anything’ phobia.

So they had auto-doors, auto-flush toilets, even auto-dispensing paper towel holders.

But they still had manual faucets. I pointed out that the ONE place in the entire bathroom where there was a REAL chance to get germs was on the water faucets.

Because, it is a certainty that people will touch them with dirty hands, and then have to turn them off with CLEAN hands. Everything else COULD be touched by ONLY dirty hands or ONLY clean hands.


24 posted on 06/07/2007 1:20:20 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SlowBoat407
But then the air from the bathroom would be sucked out, instead of the air from the outside being sucked in.

Not really. Air flow direction is a result of pressure differential, created by air in vs. air out.

The door swing direction is essentially irrelevant.

25 posted on 06/07/2007 1:20:57 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Diversity in theory is the enemy of diversity in practice.)
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To: Kimmers

What is she talking about? Doors to get into the bathroom, stall doors, or what?


26 posted on 06/07/2007 1:21:05 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: Kimmers

This is just “crap.”


27 posted on 06/07/2007 1:21:38 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Kimmers
Great news!! Now I won't have to step over the bodies of all the people who died from touching the diseased laden door handles.

The state will appropriate millions for a study to prove that people who use public bathrooms will now live longer.

28 posted on 06/07/2007 1:23:15 PM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: Kimmers

Well I say ther must be “Two” doors! One that swings in to enter and one that swings out to exit! You can’t have one door that swings both ways ... Hmmmm ... well maybe that would require a “Third” restroom!


29 posted on 06/07/2007 1:23:18 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: weegee

Yesterday I heard U of Michigan is installing foot-baths in some dorms. Wonder what the taxpayers say about that—thought there was such a separation of church and state yet they can spend money in a State supported school for a religious nicety.


30 posted on 06/07/2007 1:24:19 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: weegee
Let’s make them out of clear glass and you can see if someone is coming or going...

Already been done.

31 posted on 06/07/2007 1:25:02 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Kimmers
...claimed it would prevent litter resulting from people protecting their hands with paper towels.

I'll STILL do it!.......

32 posted on 06/07/2007 1:25:39 PM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: FreedomCalls; weegee
Let’s make them out of clear glass and you can see if someone is coming or going...

In SF you would see both.........

33 posted on 06/07/2007 1:26:28 PM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: Kimmers
I'm sure somewhere some Imam has issued a fatwa regarding bathroom doors and that Muslims everywhere will be offended if the doors don't swing the right way.
34 posted on 06/07/2007 1:29:30 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Snoopers-868th

There is a separation between church and state but mosques represent a political system of rule. No controversy.


35 posted on 06/07/2007 1:30:02 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: Kimmers

Could you imagine how much this would cost business owners??? It’s not just a matter of putting hinges on the “other side” of a door — They’d have to rip out the old doors and doorframes and install completely new ones!!!! We’re talking millions of dollars here.


36 posted on 06/07/2007 1:31:24 PM PDT by ZGuy (Democrats : Corrupt or deceived. There are no other options.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

How about building them with a bigger entrance way and go with no door? Have a blind turn intead (like at airports).


37 posted on 06/07/2007 1:31:27 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: ZGuy

But if you have the labor force that does such work and a parts company that supplies such hinges, you’ve got a goldmine.


38 posted on 06/07/2007 1:32:12 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: Gabz

PING - Oh boy


39 posted on 06/07/2007 1:33:57 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: dighton
Bill Would Change Bathroom Doors

Of course he would -- the glass ones would make it that much easier for Clinton to *check out the ladies* ...

40 posted on 06/07/2007 1:36:49 PM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Cinnamon Girl

I wonder how Seinfeld would suggest we hold the rope.


41 posted on 06/07/2007 1:37:54 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Lord, I apologize . . . and be with the starving pygmies in New Guinea amen.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Shucks. I was looking for a little help in keeping the smoke cloud from exiting in a no-smoking establishment. :-)


42 posted on 06/07/2007 1:39:44 PM PDT by vietvet67
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To: Xenalyte
I wonder how Seinfeld would suggest we hold the rope.


43 posted on 06/07/2007 1:41:00 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: Kimmers; Abram; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
"If Bellingham resident Douglas Flavin has his way, all public bathroom doors in Massachusetts will open outward, not inward. State Rep. James Vallee (D-Franklin) filed the bill on Flavin's behalf."





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44 posted on 06/07/2007 1:41:32 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: Kimmers

I don’t think the government should be involved in this, but I have to say that I like the idea. The best public restrooms are the ones that have automatic flush toilets, automatic faucets, and automatic paper towel dispensers. Usually when I get to the door, if it’s not push, I use my paper towel to open the door, and I usually end up doing the half splits trying to get my paper towel into the garbage can. I always feel sorry for people in wheelchairs trying to get in and out of the bathroom door. Ideally, I guess the doors should be automatic or have a push button so that the handicapped can get in and out easier.


45 posted on 06/07/2007 1:42:43 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Duncan Hunter for President in 2008)
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To: K4Harty
Why don’t they just take the doors off?

Lots of public restrooms don't have doors at all. There is just an open entry way and then a wall or curve that must be walked around.

It works great.

46 posted on 06/07/2007 1:48:25 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Snoopers-868th

If I find one of those foot-baths, I might just mistake it for a urinal.


47 posted on 06/07/2007 1:51:00 PM PDT by America Gives
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To: Sloth
Actually, this really *should* be standard practice.

Seeing how few people (well, men, that's the loo I use!) wash their hands, I can understand your point. But I'm just as happy with using the paper towel that I wipe my hands with, and a wastebasket near the door to drop it into.

48 posted on 06/07/2007 1:54:56 PM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: America Gives

Urinal? I might just sit down. LOL


49 posted on 06/07/2007 2:02:59 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Kimmers

No, they should equip them with mechanical door openers set up by bumping a switch on the side of the stall. I believe this is absolutely necessary to the safety of our citizens.

And I’m getting into the automatic door-opener business as soon as I see legislation heading that way.


50 posted on 06/07/2007 2:06:12 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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