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Esmonde: Schmidl’s role of avenger is justifiable (man protects 5-yr-old son, law comes down hard)
Buffalo News ^ | 6/6/07 | Donn Esmonde

Posted on 06/07/2007 3:21:34 PM PDT by LibWhacker

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1 posted on 06/07/2007 3:21:38 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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Why in the world would the man lose on the law. The “self defense” defense is valid not just for oneself but for other too. The man stepped up and defended his child.

I can not believe and idiot cop arrested him. The man should press charges against the cop. The cop did not witness anything. For a cop to arrest you without a warrant requires the cop to witness you committing what the cop believes is a crime.


2 posted on 06/07/2007 3:25:44 PM PDT by JLS
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I guess the law expects a dad to act as a perpetual goalie, nothing more.


3 posted on 06/07/2007 3:28:37 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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Aiming slapshots at someone would be assault with a deadly weapon (the puck). If any of those shots connected, however slightly, it becomes battery too. Simple self defense would require that the target act to stop the assault.


4 posted on 06/07/2007 3:28:43 PM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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"...The boy’s mother appeared and had Schmidl arrested."

The bully's Mom complained.

5 posted on 06/07/2007 3:28:44 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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I wonder if he spent just as much time looking for the kid’s parents. Funny how they come out of the woodwork when they think there’s money to be made.

It’s an ice skating rink. People hit each other at high speed all the time in ... uhh... accidents... yeah, that’s the ticket.


6 posted on 06/07/2007 3:30:12 PM PDT by Kevmo (We need to get away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party ~Duncan Hunter)
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I wonder if he spent just as much time looking for the kid’s parents.

The apple does not fall far from the tree. I guess your one of those "time out parents".

7 posted on 06/07/2007 3:34:27 PM PDT by Orange1998
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She saw him get hauled off. Did she just show up or did she witness her kids behavior?


8 posted on 06/07/2007 3:48:19 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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What was he supposed to do? Stand there and let a puck hit his little 5 year old? The 10 year old was a little smart you know what and since the parents can’t and won’t discipline their child then another parent has to if it comes down to no one else taking charge. Yes, the man had a right to protect his son. Instead of being so upset his family ought to be glad someone cared enough to even keep the 10 year old out of more trouble since he already had previous issues. When will parents learn they are parents and not FRIENDS of their kids? A kid has to respect himself and his parents before he can respect anything or anybody else. Good for Dad. He’s a good dad and a loving dad.


9 posted on 06/07/2007 3:51:17 PM PDT by cubreporter
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What was he supposed to do? Stand there and let a puck hit his little 5 year old? The 10 year old was a little smart you know what and since the parents can’t and won’t discipline their child then another parent has to if it comes down to no one else taking charge. Yes, the man had a right to protect his son. Instead of being so upset his family ought to be glad someone cared enough to even keep the 10 year old out of more trouble since he already had previous issues. When will parents learn they are parents and not FRIENDS of their kids? A kid has to respect himself and his parents before he can respect anything or anybody else. Good for Dad. He’s a good dad and a loving dad.


10 posted on 06/07/2007 3:51:54 PM PDT by cubreporter
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Ooops. Sorry for three posts. I had a little trouble. :)


11 posted on 06/07/2007 3:52:30 PM PDT by cubreporter
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“. For a cop to arrest you without a warrant requires the cop to witness you committing what the cop believes is a crime.”

Not true.


12 posted on 06/07/2007 3:53:52 PM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: Orange1998

Yes, if it’s warranted.

I’m also a Proverbs 13:24 parent, and a hockey stick might prove suitable for that purpose.


13 posted on 06/07/2007 3:56:03 PM PDT by Kevmo (We need to get away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party ~Duncan Hunter)
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Did she just show up or did she witness her kids behavior?

She probably witnessed it and most likely thought it "amusing"....until the guy grabbed her little darling to haul him away. I've worked with kids and their parents for many years (no easy chore)....and some parents should be locked down or locked up for what they permit to grow into members of our society.

14 posted on 06/07/2007 3:57:16 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Kevmo

I opt for the toilet plunger option.


15 posted on 06/07/2007 3:59:18 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Mark was here

See my post 6 for another option. “Accidents” will happen.


16 posted on 06/07/2007 4:01:16 PM PDT by Kevmo (We need to get away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party ~Duncan Hunter)
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To: Little Pig
Aiming slapshots at someone would be assault with a deadly weapon (the puck). If any of those shots connected, however slightly, it becomes battery too. Simple self defense would require that the target act to stop the assault.

In many states, you can't claim self-defense if you could have protected yourself by leaving the area.

17 posted on 06/07/2007 4:04:50 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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Yea, one little whoopsie, it’ll work.
18 posted on 06/07/2007 4:14:25 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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I do not condone putting hands on somebody else’s kid.

Which is why the brat felt sure he could get away with murder. (And before his "youth" ticket has expired, he very likely WILL get away with murder.)

19 posted on 06/07/2007 4:17:25 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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No respect for the COP that arrested him and no respect for the court that convicts him of any wrong doing. Even the reporter that wrote the story thinks the guy did the right thing but will lose in court. He should be writing another story about that.


20 posted on 06/07/2007 4:18:00 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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