Skip to comments.Juan Williams accuses immigrant of being anti-immigrant
Posted on 06/07/2007 7:11:57 PM PDT by rob21
To celebrate the (temporary?) demise of shamnesty, heres open-borders shill Juan Williams tearing a page from the Bush/Chavez/Chertoff songbook and serenading Mark Steyn with a little quasi-racial demagoguery. He should have at least followed out his own logic, taken it the whole nine yards, and accused him of being a self-hating immigrant.
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Yeah I saw that. I also noticed that Colmes imposes a statute of limitations on illegal immigration.
I rarely agree with Juan Williams but he was right on this one.
Fox News is deeply saddened..
Have you ever heard a weaker argument?
Juan— the poster child for what is WRONG with media and Liberalism!
heh, heh, heh....
hey Juan...gotta use the ole noggin before you open the pie hole!
I said; I rarely agree with Juan Williams but he was right on this one.
You were right when you disagreed.
Are you denying it's the truth?
Juan Williams leaves out things that are inconvenient to his desired outcome.
I believe that that fact is why the Dems and Rinos tried to cram this through so very quickly. They are panicking.
No, I'm right NOW.
Williwms doesn’t even know that the black caucus split with the Hispanics over this today. With black unemployment at 8% why should they want amnesty? If the R’s would follow this with a prominent effort to match available jobs with willing American workers, they would hit a home run with the Reagan democrats.
No, YOU'RE wrong. The 9/11 terrorists entered this country legally. Juan was 100% right.
Juan Williams made some of the weakest, most pathetic arguments in favor of amnesty that I have ever seen. Once Steyn pointed out how stupid he was, Juan calls him anti-immigrant. Mark Steyn is an immigrant.
Now what was he right on exactly?
Are you saying that the fact that as many as nine of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers may have been here illegally is an argument for looser immigration standards?
How does that justify amnesty?
They overstayed their visas. The USA was attacked on 9-11 by illegal aliens.
I see you are using the weasel words "entered this country". How many of them were in the country legally on the day they flew those airplanes into those buildings?
Lots of illegal immigrants entered the country legally. They just did not follow the law or leave when they were supposed to.
Juan Williams is no impostor. He is an avowed liberal and there are no surprises from him. Hannity is a different matter, he was trying to explain his position to Mark Steyn and he made a mess of himself. Fox News Channel is the voice of the KENNEDY WING of THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
They entered the country LEGALLY. They didn't sneak across the border. Juan was right.
Fox should hire a host that does not support the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. We need someone to represent the Hunter(aka conservative) Wing.
How is the fact that several of them entered the country legally relevant? That is true of many illegal immigrants. Juan was fundamentally dishonest because he is trying to confabulate the way illegal immigrants entered the country and their legal status at a later time.
It seems you are trying to do the same thing. But none of us are buying it. Sorry.
That doesn’t change the fact that they were illegals when they flew those planes into buildings. They should have been deported as soon as their visas were up, but the federal government refused to enforce the law. Those who don’t want illegals deported give aid and comfort to America’s terrorist enemies.
"Weasel words"? They're ONLY the words defining this debate.
The fact that the 9/11 hijackers overstayed their visas and became illegal is an excellent reason why we should deport them all.
Juan Williams is dead wrong on this, so why worry yourself over what he has said?
Also , the fact that they entered legally before 9/11 says nothing about what they are doing now.
Open borders are crying out for terrorist to enter. If you want to call people who want the laws enforced bigots then you are a fool, or an illegal yourself, or a person who hires illegals or has illegal relatives. Take your pick, you have an agenda and you make no sense with stupid statments about how Juan is right!
So what? That's NOT what this debate is about. It's about Mexicans crossing the border illegally.
And Juan was right about those who want to turn this into a debate about terrorism.
Since Jorge was trying to defend his remarks, we have to point out why he is wrong.
The way they entered this country does not define their legal status on the day they flew those airplanes into those buildings. Your argument is like saying that Ted Bundy should have been set free because back when he was in the Sixth Grade, he hadn't killed anybody yet.
Repeatedly talking about the way an illegal immigrant entered the country instead of acknowledging the fact that he is illegal regardless of how he entered the country is weasely. And you are continuing to do so, even after your error has been pointed out to you many times.
Now, go ahead and tell me the entered the country legally again... That is not the point!
......by the way, I agreed with Juan on his book that took the blacks to task for following Sharpton and Jackson and not cleaning their own house in the vein of Bill Cosby.. Juan at least had that right......
No, the debate is about whether or not we should grant amnesty to illegal aliens. Claiming that the illegal aliens who hijacked planes on 9/11 were once here legally does not bolster your argument at all.
I never called anyone a bigot, nor am I any of these other things you want to accuse me of.
You are in fact typical of the hysterical anti-immigration reform fanactics we see on these boards.
Throwing wild accusations at anyone who disagrees with you. You should be ashamed of yourself.
No. It is about illegal immigration. Not just Mexican border jumpers.
Terrorism is a component of the argument, but not all of the argument, by any means. There are also a number of other legitimate concerns.
But terrorism is a legitimate concern as well. There are lots of good reasons to oppose illegal immigration.
To which Juan Williams was only able to respond by giving one of his trademark dismissive smirks.
Williams's reaction reminded me of one of Ronald Reagan's greatest quotes:
It's not that our Liberal friends are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so.
Juan Williams personifies that quote. He just "knows" so damn much but he'll never let on that, in reality, he don't know jack.
Total bull. And you know it. Read the bill. Read these threads.
This about Mexicans who've enter the country illegally.
I agree. People should not mischaracterize another person's arguments. You have not called anybody here a bigot, that I know of.
But neither should you mischaracterize other people's arguments by saying our concerns are only related to illegal crossings of the Mexican border.
Was someone arguing in favor of overstaying visas and becoming illegal or are your arguments just becoming more desperate and illogical?
I take it that you'd agree that those whose status changes from legal to illegal should be rounded up?
Right. Well try your best to get into the immigration bill or the debates on this board. Good luck.
Read the threads. It's 99% about Mexican illegals.
I would like to see an immigration reform bill, but that segment was disgraceful. Besides calling an immigrant anti-immigant, they used the classic tactic of asking Steyn what policy he would prefer and then interupting him as he tried to suggest what should be done.
You should know that Jorge puts the whore in Jorge.
That is not all this bill or this debate is about. It is part of the problem, but not the entire problem. You may differentiate between Mexican illegal immigration and illegal immigration from other places, like Europe or Asia, but others may not.
The bill effects illegal immigrants of all stripes.
“Since Jorge was trying to defend his remarks, we have to point out why he is wrong.”
Yes, but the tenor of Juan William’s argument is that anyone who doesn’t like this bill’s approach hates immigrants. That’s erroneous. Why take it seriously? Why worry yourself about somebody else’s wrong opinion of you?
Well, not this thread. The only one talking about Mexicans on this thread is you.
Did you miss the point of the debate or are you really this clueless?
Don't waste my time. Back-track in this thread and educate yourself on the discussion.
Half-truths are lies. You're a liar.
Liberals are so very angry because for decades they owned all forms of communication and could ever so sweetly, refer to conservatives, when they were mentioned at all, in gentler terms.
No longer, since Rush hit the national airwaves, followed by FoxNews Channel, they've gone completely bonkers, screaming every vile term they can think of.
It's really fun to watch/listen when these people are off their meds.
11:00. Lights Out!