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Juan Williams accuses immigrant of being anti-immigrant
Hot Air ^ | June 7, 2007

Posted on 06/07/2007 7:11:57 PM PDT by rob21

To celebrate the (temporary?) demise of shamnesty, here’s open-borders shill Juan Williams tearing a page from the Bush/Chavez/Chertoff songbook and serenading Mark Steyn with a little quasi-racial demagoguery. He should have at least followed out his own logic, taken it the whole nine yards, and accused him of being a “self-hating immigrant.”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; mediabias; stupidliberals
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Click the link to watch the video. This is one of Juan Williams's stupidest moments, although he has had a LOT of stupid ones.
1 posted on 06/07/2007 7:11:58 PM PDT by rob21
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To: rob21

Yeah I saw that. I also noticed that Colmes imposes a statute of limitations on illegal immigration.


2 posted on 06/07/2007 7:15:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: rob21

I rarely agree with Juan Williams but he was right on this one.


3 posted on 06/07/2007 7:17:11 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge

What?


4 posted on 06/07/2007 7:18:29 PM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: rob21

Fox News is deeply saddened..


5 posted on 06/07/2007 7:20:04 PM PDT by Shermy ( Kyl's flip-flop is bigger than all of John Kerry's combined.)
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To: cripplecreek
Well, most of the 9/11 hijackers were here legally...

Have you ever heard a weaker argument?

6 posted on 06/07/2007 7:21:34 PM PDT by gridlock
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To: rob21

ROFLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!

Juan— the poster child for what is WRONG with media and Liberalism!

heh, heh, heh....

hey Juan...gotta use the ole noggin before you open the pie hole!

;-)


7 posted on 06/07/2007 7:23:22 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (Duncan Hunter and John Bolton in '08!!!!!!!!)
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To: rob21
What?

I said; I rarely agree with Juan Williams but he was right on this one.

Comprende?

8 posted on 06/07/2007 7:23:45 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge

You were right when you disagreed.


9 posted on 06/07/2007 7:23:48 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Satan is working both sides of the street in World Socialism and World Courts.)
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To: gridlock
Well, most of the 9/11 hijackers were here legally... Have you ever heard a weaker argument?

Are you denying it's the truth?

10 posted on 06/07/2007 7:25:28 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Hazleton. Carolton. Oklahoma. Without federal intervention, the illegals are being sent home now. No bill needed.

Juan Williams leaves out things that are inconvenient to his desired outcome.

I believe that that fact is why the Dems and Rinos tried to cram this through so very quickly. They are panicking.

11 posted on 06/07/2007 7:25:43 PM PDT by MrEdd (L. Ron Gore creator of "Fry-n-tology" the global warming religion.)
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To: bmwcyle
You were right when you disagreed.

No, I'm right NOW.

12 posted on 06/07/2007 7:26:17 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: bmwcyle

Williwms doesn’t even know that the black caucus split with the Hispanics over this today. With black unemployment at 8% why should they want amnesty? If the R’s would follow this with a prominent effort to match available jobs with willing American workers, they would hit a home run with the Reagan democrats.


13 posted on 06/07/2007 7:28:27 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Jorge
I rarely agree with Juan Williams but he was right on this one.

Nope, he was dead wrong. There is an alternative and it is enforcing existing laws. Security FIRST, normalization SECOND.

Cheap lettuce is not worth letting terrorists waltz across that border.
14 posted on 06/07/2007 7:29:12 PM PDT by elizabetty (Perpetual Candidate using campaign donations for your salary - Its a good gig if you can get it.)
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To: elizabetty
Nope, he was dead wrong.

No, YOU'RE wrong. The 9/11 terrorists entered this country legally. Juan was 100% right.

15 posted on 06/07/2007 7:30:53 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge

Juan Williams made some of the weakest, most pathetic arguments in favor of amnesty that I have ever seen. Once Steyn pointed out how stupid he was, Juan calls him anti-immigrant. Mark Steyn is an immigrant.

Now what was he right on exactly?


16 posted on 06/07/2007 7:31:55 PM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: Jorge
Are you denying it's the truth?

Are you saying that the fact that as many as nine of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers may have been here illegally is an argument for looser immigration standards?

17 posted on 06/07/2007 7:32:34 PM PDT by gridlock
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To: Jorge

How does that justify amnesty?


18 posted on 06/07/2007 7:32:53 PM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: Jorge

They overstayed their visas. The USA was attacked on 9-11 by illegal aliens.


19 posted on 06/07/2007 7:33:30 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Jorge
No, YOU'RE wrong. The 9/11 terrorists entered this country legally. Juan was 100% right.

I see you are using the weasel words "entered this country". How many of them were in the country legally on the day they flew those airplanes into those buildings?

Lots of illegal immigrants entered the country legally. They just did not follow the law or leave when they were supposed to.

20 posted on 06/07/2007 7:35:54 PM PDT by gridlock
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To: rob21

Juan Williams is no impostor. He is an avowed liberal and there are no surprises from him. Hannity is a different matter, he was trying to explain his position to Mark Steyn and he made a mess of himself. Fox News Channel is the voice of the KENNEDY WING of THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.


21 posted on 06/07/2007 7:36:00 PM PDT by Biblebelter (I can't believe people still watch TV with the sound on.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
They overstayed their visas. The USA was attacked on 9-11 by illegal aliens.

They entered the country LEGALLY. They didn't sneak across the border. Juan was right.

22 posted on 06/07/2007 7:37:19 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Biblebelter

Fox should hire a host that does not support the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. We need someone to represent the Hunter(aka conservative) Wing.


23 posted on 06/07/2007 7:38:56 PM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: Jorge
They entered the country LEGALLY. They didn't sneak across the border. Juan was right.

How is the fact that several of them entered the country legally relevant? That is true of many illegal immigrants. Juan was fundamentally dishonest because he is trying to confabulate the way illegal immigrants entered the country and their legal status at a later time.

It seems you are trying to do the same thing. But none of us are buying it. Sorry.

24 posted on 06/07/2007 7:40:59 PM PDT by gridlock
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To: Jorge

That doesn’t change the fact that they were illegals when they flew those planes into buildings. They should have been deported as soon as their visas were up, but the federal government refused to enforce the law. Those who don’t want illegals deported give aid and comfort to America’s terrorist enemies.


25 posted on 06/07/2007 7:41:20 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: gridlock
I see you are using the weasel words "entered this country".

"Weasel words"? They're ONLY the words defining this debate.

26 posted on 06/07/2007 7:41:45 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge

The fact that the 9/11 hijackers overstayed their visas and became illegal is an excellent reason why we should deport them all.


27 posted on 06/07/2007 7:43:55 PM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: rob21

Juan Williams is dead wrong on this, so why worry yourself over what he has said?


28 posted on 06/07/2007 7:44:35 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: Jorge
The terrorist may have entered the country legally but many of them were here illegally, got that? I didn't think so. The laws were not enforced, especially in NYC, laws, that if enforced, would have tracked down these asshats and stopped them, at least the illegal ones.

Also , the fact that they entered legally before 9/11 says nothing about what they are doing now.

Open borders are crying out for terrorist to enter. If you want to call people who want the laws enforced bigots then you are a fool, or an illegal yourself, or a person who hires illegals or has illegal relatives. Take your pick, you have an agenda and you make no sense with stupid statments about how Juan is right!

29 posted on 06/07/2007 7:45:39 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Tailgunner Joe
That doesn’t change the fact that they were illegals when they flew those planes into buildings.

So what? That's NOT what this debate is about. It's about Mexicans crossing the border illegally.

And Juan was right about those who want to turn this into a debate about terrorism.

30 posted on 06/07/2007 7:45:46 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: popdonnelly

Since Jorge was trying to defend his remarks, we have to point out why he is wrong.


31 posted on 06/07/2007 7:46:15 PM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: Jorge
"Weasel words"? They're ONLY the words defining this debate.

The way they entered this country does not define their legal status on the day they flew those airplanes into those buildings. Your argument is like saying that Ted Bundy should have been set free because back when he was in the Sixth Grade, he hadn't killed anybody yet.

Repeatedly talking about the way an illegal immigrant entered the country instead of acknowledging the fact that he is illegal regardless of how he entered the country is weasely. And you are continuing to do so, even after your error has been pointed out to you many times.

Now, go ahead and tell me the entered the country legally again... That is not the point!

32 posted on 06/07/2007 7:46:46 PM PDT by gridlock
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To: Biblebelter
I totally agree....Juan Williams was hired by FOX to be a liberal commentator.....and he is....I don’t agree with him much but he does his job....Hannity on the other hand is all talking points, no original thought and sucks up too much and asks those stupid “do you still beat your wife?” questions..... If you are for abortion and a Dem, he will nail ya, but if you are Rudy and are for abortion, Hannity will be all smiles and kisses.....

......by the way, I agreed with Juan on his book that took the blacks to task for following Sharpton and Jackson and not cleaning their own house in the vein of Bill Cosby.. Juan at least had that right......

33 posted on 06/07/2007 7:47:07 PM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: Jorge

No, the debate is about whether or not we should grant amnesty to illegal aliens. Claiming that the illegal aliens who hijacked planes on 9/11 were once here legally does not bolster your argument at all.


34 posted on 06/07/2007 7:49:06 PM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: calex59
If you want to call people who want the laws enforced bigots then you are a fool, or an illegal yourself, or a person who hires illegals or has illegal relatives.

I never called anyone a bigot, nor am I any of these other things you want to accuse me of.

You are in fact typical of the hysterical anti-immigration reform fanactics we see on these boards.

Throwing wild accusations at anyone who disagrees with you. You should be ashamed of yourself.

35 posted on 06/07/2007 7:49:31 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
So what? That's NOT what this debate is about. It's about Mexicans crossing the border illegally.

No. It is about illegal immigration. Not just Mexican border jumpers.

Terrorism is a component of the argument, but not all of the argument, by any means. There are also a number of other legitimate concerns.

But terrorism is a legitimate concern as well. There are lots of good reasons to oppose illegal immigration.

36 posted on 06/07/2007 7:50:14 PM PDT by gridlock
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To: rob21
I saw that. Hilarious. Juan Williams called Mark Steyn "anti-immigrant" and Steyn shot back with, "I'm not anti-immigrant, I am an immigrant!"

To which Juan Williams was only able to respond by giving one of his trademark dismissive smirks.

Williams's reaction reminded me of one of Ronald Reagan's greatest quotes:

It's not that our Liberal friends are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so.

Juan Williams personifies that quote. He just "knows" so damn much but he'll never let on that, in reality, he don't know jack.

37 posted on 06/07/2007 7:51:29 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: rob21
No, the debate is about whether or not we should grant amnesty to illegal aliens. Claiming that the illegal aliens who hijacked planes on 9/11 were once here legally does not bolster your argument at all

Total bull. And you know it. Read the bill. Read these threads.

This about Mexicans who've enter the country illegally.

38 posted on 06/07/2007 7:52:46 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
I never called anyone a bigot, nor am I any of these other things you want to accuse me of.

I agree. People should not mischaracterize another person's arguments. You have not called anybody here a bigot, that I know of.

But neither should you mischaracterize other people's arguments by saying our concerns are only related to illegal crossings of the Mexican border.

39 posted on 06/07/2007 7:54:02 PM PDT by gridlock
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To: Jorge
They entered the country LEGALLY. They didn't sneak across the border. Juan was right.

Was someone arguing in favor of overstaying visas and becoming illegal or are your arguments just becoming more desperate and illogical?

I take it that you'd agree that those whose status changes from legal to illegal should be rounded up?

40 posted on 06/07/2007 7:55:06 PM PDT by Perchant
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To: gridlock
No. It is about illegal immigration. Not just Mexican border jumpers.

Right. Well try your best to get into the immigration bill or the debates on this board. Good luck.

Read the threads. It's 99% about Mexican illegals.

41 posted on 06/07/2007 7:55:48 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge

I would like to see an immigration reform bill, but that segment was disgraceful. Besides calling an immigrant anti-immigant, they used the classic tactic of asking Steyn what policy he would prefer and then interupting him as he tried to suggest what should be done.


42 posted on 06/07/2007 7:55:49 PM PDT by JLS
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To: rob21

You should know that Jorge puts the whore in Jorge.


43 posted on 06/07/2007 7:57:01 PM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: Jorge
This about Mexicans who've enter the country illegally.

That is not all this bill or this debate is about. It is part of the problem, but not the entire problem. You may differentiate between Mexican illegal immigration and illegal immigration from other places, like Europe or Asia, but others may not.

The bill effects illegal immigrants of all stripes.

44 posted on 06/07/2007 7:57:08 PM PDT by gridlock
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To: rob21

“Since Jorge was trying to defend his remarks, we have to point out why he is wrong.”

Yes, but the tenor of Juan William’s argument is that anyone who doesn’t like this bill’s approach hates immigrants. That’s erroneous. Why take it seriously? Why worry yourself about somebody else’s wrong opinion of you?


45 posted on 06/07/2007 7:58:08 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: Jorge
Read the threads. It's 99% about Mexican illegals.

Well, not this thread. The only one talking about Mexicans on this thread is you.

46 posted on 06/07/2007 7:58:46 PM PDT by gridlock
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To: Perchant
Was someone arguing in favor of overstaying visas and becoming illegal or are your arguments just becoming more desperate and illogical?

Did you miss the point of the debate or are you really this clueless?

Don't waste my time. Back-track in this thread and educate yourself on the discussion.

47 posted on 06/07/2007 7:58:52 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
This about Mexicans who've enter the country illegally.

Half-truths are lies. You're a liar.

48 posted on 06/07/2007 7:59:01 PM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: rob21
I watched that buffoon, Williams. What a bunch of idiots liberals are, if you don't agree with them and especially if you give intelligent, cohesive arguments to bolster your position, they always, always resort to name calling, i.e. Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Steyn, etc.

Liberals are so very angry because for decades they owned all forms of communication and could ever so sweetly, refer to conservatives, when they were mentioned at all, in gentler terms.

No longer, since Rush hit the national airwaves, followed by FoxNews Channel, they've gone completely bonkers, screaming every vile term they can think of.

It's really fun to watch/listen when these people are off their meds.

49 posted on 06/07/2007 7:59:23 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Jorge

11:00. Lights Out!


50 posted on 06/07/2007 8:00:46 PM PDT by gridlock
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