Posted on 06/09/2007 12:17:40 AM PDT by Fred Nerks
It’s no secrete that GW Bush is an open borders guy (with the two other major North American countries).
Personally, I think this is an idea we HAVE to persue in one form or another if we want to stay dominant on the world level. But I’d venture that most Republicans and Democrats and those here at Free Republic don’t share that view.
I think it is exactly what is behind the recent amnesty bill. If any Mexican can come to US and be legal then what is the difference? I don’t believe the jokers in DC really are that stupid to believe any illegal will start folowing any rules no matter what.
You must live in a cave.
I am inclined to agree, as unpalatable as it may seem on the surface.
It is vital to the American people to retain sovereignty of the US.
One thing though is certain, if there is to be such a creature, it won't be because the President and Congress shoved it down out throats.
One of the sentiments back then was;
“We should make Canada the 51st state”
now that the time has come to actually move in that direction, everyone now says:
“What the HELL are we doing?”
[Just a thought, not a launch pad for an argument.]
Sovereignity? What’s that, some kind of global test?
Ping for later reading.
Ah, the Bush conspiracy.
The fact is, Bush is doing what every American president since 1965 has done on the borders. Next to nothing. There are enormous practical interests on both sides of the border driving immigration. I agree that immigration needs to be slowed but nattering about conspiracies doesn't advance the cause.
The pro-immigration forces are tolerably open about their intent. The two groups operating in bad faith are organized labor and the environmental/slow growth lobby, both of which should be strong for effective border control and lower immigration but prefer instead to import more eventual democrats, sacrificing their own nominal principles to political expediency.
We are dominant. The minute we do this deal, we become another 3rd world cesspool. The ruling classes will be dominant. The avereage American will live under socialism.
Are you feeling well or just on Bushes side in this?
I don't think that's possible. The nature of the United States Constitution doesn't lend itself to that. Mexico may be admitted as a state perhaps, and sovereignty be retained, but do we want that? It's not worth the liability.
“One of the sentiments back then was;
We should make Canada the 51st state
now that the time has come to actually move in that direction, everyone now says:
What the HELL are we doing?”
There’s a big difference between making Canada a State of the United States and the United States subordinating itself to the North American union’s government, really a bunch of One-Worlders, or Tower-of-Babel rebuilders.
I agree. The US has changed over the years since its inception. We have added states and terrotories. I think to be able to defend ourselves against the rest of the world, we have to change, get bigger. We live in a different world since 9/11. We can’t continue to fight change.
FRED THOMPSON NEEDS TO CLARIFY HIS POSITION ON THE SPP BEFORE I’LL SUPPORT HIM.
SPP?
No, we don’t.
If we pass HR25, the FairTax, we will be completely dominant economically.
I can’t believe some of the responses I’m reading here. Man, the trolls are out this morning!
Read the article. You don’t know what the SPP is?
The idea of a North American Union of three nations is a cracked-pot idea. But one would be mistaken to underestimate the appeal of cracked-pot ideas. Let’s look at some.
Marxism/Communism. “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.” Sounds nice. But there were really no implementing details. More importantly, it was contrary to human nature. It became the greatest engine for mass murder the world has ever seen.
We all know that Nazism is evil. But Nazis held many of the fashionable beliefs of their time, and ours.
Submission to the will of God sounds reasonable enough. But forced submission is an important aspect of Islam. Islam is strongly associated with the greatest savagery the world has ever seen.
So, a stealth North American Union has appeal too. It is another bad idea. But this bad idea should not be ignored. One test is this. If it were a good idea, why would we have to impose it through stealth, trickery, and coercion? There are answers, but no good ones. Will this North American Union be more like America? or more like Mexico? Advocates believe the former. Dream on.
Here is the only way I could see Union working. Individual Canadian or Mexican provinces/states could apply for statehood in the greater United States. We would consider individual requests. Some might have to change first in some ways, before we would accept them. A greater, mutually voluntary United States could work. It would make sense too for any Mexican or Canadian state or province. If they can’t see that, then we don’t want them.
You're quite insane you know...
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