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North American Union: Deconstructing the U.S.
newsmax ^ | Friday, June 16, 2006 | Diane Alden

Posted on 06/09/2007 12:17:40 AM PDT by Fred Nerks

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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
I don’t know how they plan to handle several million disgruntled armed citizens.

By taking the arms away and/or by forcing us into martial law under whatever they release (bird flu? anthrax? floods?).

41 posted on 06/09/2007 5:58:08 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen
I can’t believe the people here are willing to throw away the country. I think I woke up on the wrong side of the mirror and am on some left-wing, UN site.

I'm not willing to throw away our country! I am just looking for a solution. We can reject everything without even looking at it and continue going downhill or do something to get our nation back on track. What do we do?

42 posted on 06/09/2007 5:59:01 AM PDT by beckysueb
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To: beckysueb

Short of a revolt, I don’t know.

McCollum was our candidate in the primary last time- then Bush came to FL and anointed Martinez. Our chance to elect a conservative Senator was over. The Bushbots here on FR kept telling us about this ‘lesser of two evils’ philosophy. I think most of us are past that now.

Many former loyal GOP voters, including me, are done with RINOs. I’d rather see a Democrat in power. If conservatives can’t have this party, NOBODY WILL.

We will still be conservatives. They will not still be in power.


43 posted on 06/09/2007 5:59:56 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (THOMPSON NEEDS TO CLARIFY HIS POSITION ON THE SPP BEFORE I SUPPORT HIM.)
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To: Fred Nerks
Would Bloomberg be another version of the “borders are meaningless” crowd. My billions trump your sovereignty.
44 posted on 06/09/2007 6:00:30 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Too principled to support Bush)
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To: Borax Queen

naw, becky’s okay, just conflicted.

I’m past that stage now. I’ve accepted the reality that we no longer have a party.


45 posted on 06/09/2007 6:01:35 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (THOMPSON NEEDS TO CLARIFY HIS POSITION ON THE SPP BEFORE I SUPPORT HIM.)
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To: philman_36

Then there’s the question of why foreign interests are so supportive of Amnesty. It’s not jobs folks. It’s taking back land.

http://www.aztlan.net/homeland.htm

The following is snipped from this website:
http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

The myth of Aztlan can best be explained by California’s Santa Barbara School District’s Chicano Studies textbook, “The Mexican American Heritage” by East Los Angeles high school teacher Carlos Jimenez. On page 84 there is a redrawn map of Mexico and the United States, showing Mexico with a full one-third more territory, all of it taken back from the United States. On page 107, it says “Latinos are now realizing that the power to control Aztlan may once again be in their hands.”

Shown are the “repatriated” eight or nine states including Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington.

America truly has a clear and present danger with this Amnesty and the enemy within is in the government.


46 posted on 06/09/2007 6:02:33 AM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: ovrtaxt

Putting the democrats in charge is not the answer. They would just finish America off. Thats like cutting your nose off to spite your face. Thats no solution. We need to be as tough as our forefathers were but we are a nation of wimps.


47 posted on 06/09/2007 6:03:48 AM PDT by beckysueb
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To: ovrtaxt

Thank you. You’re absolutely right. Very conflicted. I think if there is a problem, then find a solution. But instead of a civil answer or a workable idea, I get “you’re crazy.” LOL


48 posted on 06/09/2007 6:06:04 AM PDT by beckysueb
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To: ovrtaxt

Ah, not just trying to pick on her - I saw pro-NAU several posts.

I think I’m accepting the fact we no longer have a country. It’s a sham with one set of laws for the elites, one for the criminal invaders, and one for the serfs. Resistance is apparently futile as “they” will shove their globalist agenda down our throats, we will be dumbed down, we will sink to the lowest common denominator.


49 posted on 06/09/2007 6:08:50 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: IM2MAD

They’d just run it into the ground and we’d have to fight another Mexican War and take it all back and spend another gazillion dollars to fix it back up again. Maybe we could consider letting them have California. Just kidding, folks! I know there are a lot of good people in California.


50 posted on 06/09/2007 6:09:23 AM PDT by beckysueb
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To: Borax Queen

I am not pro NAU. I just said I read the article and it sounds like it might be a solution. If you just take it at face value, it sounds ok. But I know where our government is concerned, we can never take things at face value. I do think President Bush is basically a good man. He may very well be listening to the wrong people. Where in the heck is Cheney and Rove on this? I wonder doesn’t he have any advisors who could set him straight.


51 posted on 06/09/2007 6:15:09 AM PDT by beckysueb
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To: beckysueb
We can reject everything without even looking at it and continue going downhill or do something to get our nation back on track. What do we do?

I'm afraid we are beyond the point where there is much we can do besides prepare our own families. Unless enough people rise up and take control of our government - which did happen last week - but the elites still don't get it. And most of the commoners are too interested in American Idol or Paris to get up off their couches.

But certainly, I will believe nothing that "the govt" tells me is good for me. The globalist plans have been in place for a long time (100 years or so), and it looks like they'll end up getting their way. People so easily buy into the fear and inconsistent law enforcement (e.g. allowing the strip searches at the airports while any criminal can waltz across the border), they'll buy into that we "need" the NAU.

52 posted on 06/09/2007 6:20:58 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: beckysueb
They would just finish America off. Thats like cutting your nose off to spite your face. Thats no solution.

I know. But really, what's the difference? I used to think there was one. This week's antics in the Senate has blown that illusion. There are legitimate differences on lower rung issues, but overall, the DNC and the GOP both want globalism.

And I'm rabidly pro-life, but Roe V. Wade is still there, after all those years of GOP control. They've accomplished very little.

53 posted on 06/09/2007 6:22:53 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (THOMPSON NEEDS TO CLARIFY HIS POSITION ON THE SPP BEFORE I SUPPORT HIM.)
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To: beckysueb
It is worth remembering that Whitaker Chambers concluded (1950s or so) that communism would win out in the end. Still, he was going to resist it because it was wrong. Guess what? The Soviet Union collapsed and communism is on the wane.

The point is that we have to keep on fighting for what is right and hope for the best. I don’t think there has ever been a better answer than that.

There are reasons for optimism. For starters, the sharing of information is becoming more democratic. We have freelance reporters and pundits like never before. Bush has lowered taxes, at least temporarily. The Supreme Court is approaching sanity - by American historical and constitutional standards.

We have a problem with Mexico and a problem with Islam. Can America handle Mexico and Islam? Of course we can! But first we have to know we have a problem. Nancy Pelosi is a good poster child of the Clueless American.

I think we need to take America back with conservative ideas. Talk radio, the Internet, and conversations with liberal friends and relatives is important. Read more to be better armed intellectually. The schools are important. Do everything you can to support vouchers, home schooling, etc. We need to put education in the hands of parents, not governments. The beliefs of the next generation is an important battleground and always has been.

54 posted on 06/09/2007 6:31:51 AM PDT by ChessExpert (President Bush might as well say "Read my lips: It is not an amnesty bill")
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To: beckysueb

We can live in a changing world without becoming MexicoLite. The Mexicans came tha-a-a-t close to electing a communist last election. Mexico is an oligarchy where all of the power and wealth is in the hands of a few families. Mexico is a racist country, and if you’re born with Indian blood, you can forget about upward mobility. Why do you think the Mexican laborers you see here are smaller and darker skinned than, say, Vincente Fox? Because they are a different ethnic group, therefore they are closed out of getting the best educations and jobs. And yet Bush has the nerve to call his conservative base racists on this issue while being bestest buddies with the real racists in Mexico.

Canada is a European-style socialist state with nationalized health care, among other things.

Now tell me why we should merge with Mexico and Canada? What do we get out of it? We won’t get Mexico’s oil, that is already spoken for. As for timber, we are a modern industrial society. Raw materials (other than oil) are increasingly less important to us. Maine and the northwest have plenty of timber and it is an easily renewable resource.

No, Canada and especially Mexcio have little to offer us. Bush wants the SPP because of what we have to offer them—our wealth. He’s got his, and he, like his daddy, are elite one-worlders who see nothing wrong with giving my childrens’ country away so they can feel superior and beneficent, and earn points with the rest of the one-world political and economic elites. And I, a true American patriot, will fight against that with my last breath.


55 posted on 06/09/2007 6:32:30 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: ovrtaxt

Partial birth abortion has been banned. Thats a step in the right direction. I know you feel its hopeless now. But you will get your spirit back. Thats the way Americans are. You will wake up one day and say Oh hell, no! America will survive. We’ve been through trials before. I’m hoping for a massive rebellion or something. Either that or we are going to have to take a different approach.


56 posted on 06/09/2007 6:33:36 AM PDT by beckysueb
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To: Fred Nerks

Historically, a president’s number one job is two-fold, to conduct foreign policy and to protect the country from all threats, foreign and domestic.

It is the Congress’s job to pass out the freebies and keep our large malcontent contingent reasonably and temporarily “happy”

We survived very well before we started being told that we should adapt to a “changing world”. I’ve SEEN those changes and want no part of it (for my country).

Trade is one thing, submission is another.


57 posted on 06/09/2007 6:37:18 AM PDT by Grateful One
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To: indylindy

It appears that the Bush Kool-Aid drinkers are out in force this morning.


58 posted on 06/09/2007 6:39:25 AM PDT by TommyDale (Rudy Giuliani’s candidacy is fading faster than an abortionist’s conscience.)
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To: ChessExpert

You really think Whitake Chambers was wrong?

Posted below is a comparison of the original ten planks of the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart of each of the planks, The American people have truly been “buried in Communism” by their own politicians of both the Republican and Democratic parties.

One other thing to remember, Karl Marx was stating in the Communist Manifesto that these planks will test whether a country has become commmunist or not. If they are all in effect and in force the country IS communist. Communism, but by any other name...??


1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State “income” taxes. We call it “paying your fair share”.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance

We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels

We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public “law” 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of “terrorists” and those who speak out or write against the “government” (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). This private bank has an exclusive monopoly in money creation which in reality has ended the need for revenue from taxes. So why do they tax? To FOOL YOU into thinking they need them.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State

We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) madated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver’s licenses and Department of Transportation regulations. There is also the postal monopoly, AMTRACK and CONRAIL

7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two “income” family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920’s, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public “law” 89-136.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call ‘public’ schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based “Education” .


None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free....


59 posted on 06/09/2007 6:43:43 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (THOMPSON NEEDS TO CLARIFY HIS POSITION ON THE SPP BEFORE I SUPPORT HIM.)
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To: LadyNavyVet
I was going on the assumption there would be some sort of compromise. Not like we take your people and you get to keep your oil. I was going on the assumption that they would all get a good education in America. (On second thought, might have to ask Canada to take care of that one.)Educated people won't settle for behaving like 3rd world citizens. There would always be the criminal eklement who refuse to try to better their life. For that, we would have plenty of space in Canada to build more prisons.

I didn't know about the Indian ancestory thing. Thats very interesting.

I am not saying we should do it. I am just discussing it and since the article sounds too good to be true, I am relying on FReepers to inform me where its wrong.

60 posted on 06/09/2007 6:46:14 AM PDT by beckysueb
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