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Gov't documents reveal plan for U.S., Canada to rebuild Mexico's infrastructure
One News Now ^ | June 8, 2007 | Chad Groening

Posted on 06/09/2007 2:38:53 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Judicial Watch, a public-interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, has obtained more documents pertaining to the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) of North America -- an initiative that has created uneasiness among some conservative groups.

According to its own government website, the SPP is defined as a "trilateral effort to increase security and enhance prosperity among the United States, Canada, and Mexico through greater cooperation and information sharing." The effort includes what the website calls "ambitious security and prosperity programs" designed to keep the nations' borders "closed to terrorism yet open to trade."

Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, says his group has obtained documents that reveal a plan for using U.S. and Canadian tax dollars to improve Mexico's infrastructure. "It would take a lot of money to bring the economic conditions of Mexico up to United States standards," he shares. Yet according to the documents, he says, it appears that discussions within the SPP are "about how that is accomplished -- and that may involve taxpayer funds."

According to the Judicial Watch leader, one of the plans involved funding of physical infrastructure projects in Mexico with U.S. and Canadian monies. "This shows ... us that this is a significant development," says Fitton.

If U.S. tax dollars are going to be used to fund Mexico's economic development, those providing those dollars ought to know about it, says Fitton. "I think the American people are going to be quite curious that their government officials are planning to send money to Mexico to help build roads and highways and other things," he offers; "and I think these documents are going to be quite controversial as a result."

In addition, Fitton is concerned that the controversial Senate immigration reform bill includes what he calls an "implicit endorsement" of the SPP, specifically with respect to Mexico and how to accelerate the plan. "I just don't understand how Congress can be endorsing a program they know little or nothing about," he laments.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blackhelicopters; business; canada; congress; conservatives; conspiracy; constitution; cuespookymusic; economy; government; govwatch; hiddenagenda; highways; immigration; immigrationreform; infrastructure; judicialwatch; mexico; nationalsovereignty; northamerica; prosperity; roads; security; socialism; spp; taxes; taxpayers; tinfoil; tomfitton; trilateral; unitedstates; usa

1 posted on 06/09/2007 2:38:58 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Tax breaks for companies willing to invest in Mexico’s infrastructure would be a much better idea.


2 posted on 06/09/2007 2:43:45 PM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This could be done so easily if Mexico allowed foriegners to own land in mexico.

If they don’t change this everything we do will be redundant.


3 posted on 06/09/2007 2:44:23 PM PDT by Otaku6
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

>>SPP is defined as a “trilateral effort to increase security and enhance prosperity<<

See, I always knew those trilateral conspiracies were true.


4 posted on 06/09/2007 2:45:36 PM PDT by gondramB (Do not do to others as you would not wish done to yourself. Thus no murmuring will rise against you.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
IIRC, this SPP initiative also includes the free flow of LABOUR. This could be the main reason for the amnesty bill.
5 posted on 06/09/2007 2:46:26 PM PDT by TOneocon (The reason there is so much poverty is because of the uneven distribution of capitalism...Rush)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It may be ,unfortunately, necessary to ensure our security up here.


6 posted on 06/09/2007 2:46:36 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

>>Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, says his group has obtained documents that reveal a plan for using U.S. and Canadian tax dollars to improve Mexico’s infrastructure. “It would take a lot of money to bring the economic conditions of Mexico up to United States standards,” he shares. Yet according to the documents, he says, it appears that discussions within the SPP are “about how that is accomplished — and that may involve taxpayer funds.”<<

In all seriousness, we need another source. While I’m sure that Fitton’s bachelor in English degree qualified him for such analysis, there have been suggestions and a lawsuit that he doens’t even have an english degree.


7 posted on 06/09/2007 2:49:49 PM PDT by gondramB (Do not do to others as you would not wish done to yourself. Thus no murmuring will rise against you.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Let Mexico fix it’s own infrastructure. They have oil, vacation resorts and lots of taxpayers. Plus they have all the laborers they need...why does the USA have to be chumps and pay for corrupt Mexico’s roads and bridges. Enough with these leeches sucking off our taxpayers dollars sanctioned by El Presidente Jorge Bush. ENOUGH already.


8 posted on 06/09/2007 2:51:44 PM PDT by tflabo (<p>)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I have a serious question- why doesn’t the information about the NAU and SPP ever make it into the MSM?

It seems this would make a great story for an investigative reporter..

I did hear that Brit mentioned something about it a couple of weeks ago on his show. Has Lou Dobbs ever brought it up?


9 posted on 06/09/2007 2:51:47 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet -Fred'08)
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To: SittinYonder

North American Union ping


10 posted on 06/09/2007 2:56:20 PM PDT by eyespysomething (Everytime you sling mud, you lose ground.)
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To: Otaku6
This could be done so easily if Mexico allowed foriegners to own land in mexico.

It would be far easier to reform Mexico if they didn't have a virtual oligarchy where a few families control the vast majority of the nation's wealth.

We should not be reforming Mexico. Mexicans should be doing that. (We have 20 million of them here that we'd be happy to send along to help with the project!!) Mexico is NOT a poor country. They have vast oil reserves, they have a lot of arable land, they have mineral deposits, and their GDP is over $1 TRillion. Mexico's per-capita GDP is $10,600. The global average is $10,000. Neighboring Guatemala is at $4,900, and Honduras is at $3,000. (Source: CIA World Fact Book)

11 posted on 06/09/2007 3:02:06 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; rjp2005; Otaku6; gondramB; TOneocon; kinoxi; tflabo; eyespysomething; ...

Desalination VS Water Transfers

A couple weeks back I blogged about a widely published report that held that the west was entering into a prolonged drying spell. The New York Times detailed solutions being proposed & implimented that included desalination.

What was not mentioned was an idea that will be bandied about during a meeting in Calgary. That meeting will be held next week in Calgary. It addresses the idea of massive water transfers from Canada to the USA & Mexico to address water shortages. You won’t hear about it south of the border however. The only place this is mentioned is in Calgary.

April 25, 2007 April 25, 2007

Next week, government officials and academics from the three countries will gather in Calgary for the two-day North American Future 2025 Project (see page 6)where they’ll brainstorm ideas on how the continent should implement policies to deal with various challenges - including security, energy and labour.

But it’s the agenda on water that has activists concerned, given that the discussions will be held behind closed doors without public scrutiny, said Maude Barlow, national chairwoman of the Council of Canadians.

”We want this out in the light of day. We tried contacting them and they said this meeting is private,” Barlow said. ”How could it be private if it is setting up the political and policy framework for the future of North America?”

An outline of the proceedings states that climate change is expected to greatly exacerbate water shortages in the United States and Mexico while Canada, which has the world’s largest supply of fresh water in the Great Lakes and elsewhere, is not expected to suffer to the same extent.

It goes on to state that ”creative” solutions - such as water transfers and artificial diversions of fresh water - may be needed to address the ”profound changes” that are bound to occur south of the border.

Water transfers is something that’s hotly debated in Canada …(search google under Canada “bulk water”) but you don’t hear much about it in the lower 48–though President Bush has mentioned his support for the idea. Asked about the possibility of water transfers world renowned water expert Peter Gleick said the economics simply weren’t there. Mr. Gleick says.

I actually think this enormous controversy over bulk water exports is a little bit silly because no one’s going to be able to afford it,” he says.“And frankly I think some of these people who complain because they have been prohibited from doing it, I think we’ve saved them a lot of money. I think they should have been allowed to do it and go bankrupt.”

Santa Barbara looked into the idea several years back and decided on water desalination even at then current prices.

Never the less, according to a joint report entitled Global Water Futures produced by the CSIS and the Sandia National Laboratories.

Finding 5: Solutions must be innovative, revolutionary, and self-sustaining. Current
trajectories for improvement in freshwater availability and quality are inadequate to meet global
needs in a timely way. Innovative solutions must be found and employed that replace steady,
incremental rates of progress with dramatic, revolutionary changes. These solutions must be designed to be self-sustaining over the long-term.

Given the recognized urgency of the need for water solutions and the fact that the meetings are behind closed doors, it looks like much of the time & effort will be put into expediting Bush’s desire for water transfers–rather than doing any actual brain storming.

This is a shame. Especially as likely it will suck up what federal institutional energy there is behind water desalination R&D. Its especially shameful because the feds could get so much more bang for their buck out desalination R&D.

So if you happen to know someone who knows someone who is attending the meeting in Calgary next week…be sure to mention to them that basic research suggests that the cost of water desalination & transport will collapse in the next 5 to 10 years.

Here are three promising avenues of research mentioned in this blog from three different research labs.

1. Lawrence Livermore

2. UCLA

3. University of Rochester

Here’s a strategy for turning municipal sewage into pure water and oil.

Here’s a strategy for cutting the cost of pumping water

To hasten the pace of research, I would greatly increase the amount of money available to federal university & corporate labs for water desalination research. As well, I would include DARPA in the effort to fund start up companies. Further, I would suggest three ways to focus research dollars.

The first would be to make available prize money like the X-Prize that Newt Gingrich touts as a frugal way to get the most bang for the research buck. I blog about this in a piece called harvesting research unknown unknowns.

The second suggestion would be to attack known unkowns by employing a much less publicized method of crowdsourcing scientific research which I discuss in detail here.

How does a research administrator best deploy his dollars between projects competing for research dollars? Choosing rightly between known knowns is difficult. In fast paced industries companies use something called prediction markets. I discuss this strategy here.

Finally, make plain to those in attendance that those supporting Chinatown type scenarios are going to be overwhelmed and their careers sidelined by scientific innovation. In the next 20 years there will be more scientific innovation than the last 100 years. The best that the government can do is enable the scientists, the entrepreneurs and the corporations — and then sit tight. Water from Canada is nice but the right stuff comes from the ocean.


12 posted on 06/09/2007 3:21:16 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: Teacher317
It would be far easier to reform Mexico if they didn't have a virtual oligarchy where a few families control the vast majority of the nation's wealth.

This is a repeat of one of my previous posts, but...

If we were to start to cozy up with Mexico, what would be the result? I mean, what, in the end, would ACTUALLY take place? As you said, Mexico is a corrupt oligarchy. Mexico also has abundant natural resources; oil, minerals, thousands of mile of beaches which could become resorts, and a hard working, reasonably well education population. Why is it not a paradise already? Answer: the oligarchy. And if we cozy up to Mexico and start dumping money into it, is this going to change things? Simply adding our resources to their resources? NO. The only thing that is going to happen is that all that money is going to go to the oligarchy. What's going to stop them? The same thing that has stopped them so far? (rhetorical, sarcastic question)

If we were to just make Mexico a 51st state, and take over the administration of the country, then okay, I could almost buy that idea. But would that happen? No. Why not? Why should it? Question: would this new arrangement be more or less beneficial to the oligarchy? Answer: less beneficial. Why ruin a corrupt, pliable, good-thing? Or, another question, what would be the most beneficial arrangement to the oligarchy? Answer: an arrangement where they would retain their "sovereignty", yet still get "assistance" from the United States. And so, this is what they will push for. Our oligarchy will be glad to give them this, because in return, they get a flood of cheap labor, essentially destroying labor unions forever. Both countries would have a ruling oligarchy with a permanent underclass (complete with cheap narcotics from Mexico to help keep them in line).

Okay, maybe that last line was a little over the top, but honest-to-God, I just don't see this thing playing out any other way, particularly in light of the current socialist-oligarchy alliance (that would be Kennedy and Bush). I'm sorry, but until the government of Mexico gets reformed, it's just going to remain a third world pit. And any assistance that we give them is just going to go down some rat-hole, just like it did in Russia, and just like it is doing in Africa. Build the fence, enforce the law, cut the PC crap, start being proud to be an American again. (/rant)

13 posted on 06/09/2007 3:35:29 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
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To: NurdlyPeon

It is criminal for US citizen’s tax money to go to any other country for infrastructure. Or practically anything, really.

If this is all accurately represnted, it’s disgusting and evil.


14 posted on 06/09/2007 4:26:15 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: tflabo

Let Mexico fix it’s own infrastructure. They have oil, vacation resorts and lots of taxpayers. Plus they have all the laborers they need...why does the USA have to be chumps and pay for corrupt Mexico’s roads and bridges. Enough with these leeches sucking off our taxpayers dollars sanctioned by El Presidente Jorge Bush. ENOUGH already.


Common sense DITTO!


15 posted on 06/09/2007 4:28:00 PM PDT by teldon30 (disgruntled 2nd class)
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To: NurdlyPeon; B4Ranch; AuntB; Brad's Gramma; Issaquahking; Travis McGee

Hear hear. Well said!


16 posted on 06/09/2007 4:30:29 PM PDT by glock rocks (Please pray every day for our Patriot Armed Forces fighting to protect our way of life.)
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To: rjp2005

Would this be acceptable based upon your original comment.

” Tax breaks for companies willing to invest in America’s infrastructure would be a much, {much} better idea.” Like educating American young people, paying them a fair wage and ending B1B Visas.

W


17 posted on 06/09/2007 5:07:33 PM PDT by WLR
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To: NurdlyPeon; glock rocks

GREAT “rant” Nurdly....


18 posted on 06/09/2007 5:12:37 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (See HiJinx's tag line....then DO it!!!!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The world greatest deliberative body (US Senate) has become a sick joke.


19 posted on 06/09/2007 5:33:00 PM PDT by Buffettfan (VIVA LA MIGRA! - LONG LIVE THE MINUTEMEN!)
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To: glock rocks
Thank you for the ping! Thomas Jefferson new the nature of power...and the dangers of incrementalism -


"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The
part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance
of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such
misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public
liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers
are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the
spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them
right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few
lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed
from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."


Citizens rise!
20 posted on 06/09/2007 7:24:00 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Illegals kill more than al Quaida, thanks to the president,congress, and senate for ruining the USA!)
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To: tflabo

If the Mexican hordes have to be bribed to go back or stay home, then I say bribe them. It’s going to be far cheaper in the long run.


21 posted on 06/09/2007 7:25:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Just say NO to Illegal Alien Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


22 posted on 06/12/2007 4:59:27 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: ckilmer

The sun does a fine job of desalinating water. Evaporation creates water vapor. All that is needed is condensation of atmospheric water vapor back to pure fresh water. All that is need for condensation is power.

Unfortunately, current methods of producing power actually consume huge amounts of fresh water.

http://www.sandia.gov/energy-water/nexus_overview.htm

It seems that the first step to making more fresh water available for drinking and irrigation is to eliminate its use for cooling in electric plants. Recondensing the steam from those plants would make a lot more water available.


23 posted on 06/12/2007 12:02:09 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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