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Science does seem to be overrated at times.
1 posted on 06/10/2007 6:38:22 PM PDT by kathsua
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To: kathsua

Here we go again.


2 posted on 06/10/2007 6:41:13 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Pray for the deliberately ignorant.)
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To: kathsua

Wow.

This article is a classic example of projection.

Science is at odds with my religious beliefs, therefore science must be a religious belief.

Give me a break.


3 posted on 06/10/2007 6:50:32 PM PDT by Air Force Brat
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To: kathsua

Real science has no points of conflict with religion; just junk science and democrat science, i.e. things like global warming and evolutionism.


4 posted on 06/10/2007 6:55:35 PM PDT by rickdylan
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To: kathsua
Science can only deal effectively with the present. It cannot observe or manipulate the distant past to verify theories.

Ever hear of archaeologists, geologists, and astronomers?

In fact, I am an archaeologist. And I guarantee you that we can indeed observe the past.

8 posted on 06/10/2007 7:36:51 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: kathsua
Beware the politicization of science and religion. In both cases, the outcome is corruption of truth - profane truth in the former, divine truth in the latter.

The education system has largely failed to get this concept ingrained - all science is tentative. All descriptions and explanations of physical observation are tentative. The scientific method, if properly followed, is nothing but a way of most honestly describing the physical world around us based on the limited data available. Every physical description accrued using the scientific method is open to modification (or supplantation) in the face of new data.

When science is politicized, this natural process (good theories persisting with modification, and poor theories dying off and being replaced outright) is threatened, and poor theories end up being insulated from criticism, preventing improvement which would naturally arise from the scientific method. It is more like a welfare-state for bad science than science "turning into religion" (though the latter can also happen - see global warming).

9 posted on 06/10/2007 7:39:19 PM PDT by M203M4 (Vote Fruity Giuliani or the terrists will win! Abortion & gun control = price for freedumb!)
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To: kathsua

As a matter of fact, science can so observe some aspects of the distant past. Light has a speed. Light from far away started long ago.

In this way, we know of some very early times in the existence of the universe, for the light from that early time is now the cosmic microwave background radiation.

Light from distant galaxies comes to us from 1 or 2 or 5 or 10 billion years ago.

We can also gain information about distant times from geology. From DNA, which evolves in its “junk” sections at a fairly constant rate. From radioactive elements, which decay at absolutely constant rates, with the exception of what happens in reactors. And yes, from tree rings and ice layers.

All these things give us observations of the past.


12 posted on 06/10/2007 8:14:51 PM PDT by lostlakehiker (Not So Fast There)
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To: kathsua
Relgion gets its truths from prophets or dieties

God's Word is the only truth there is. Deities? False gods have no truth. The author must be a product of the public school system, besides reasoning, his spelling sucks.
14 posted on 06/10/2007 8:23:37 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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"Religion has truths that are to be accepted without question."

Perhaps some religions. I'm from a very conservative evangelical background, and I've always been told there is nothing wrong with doubts, that doubt and faith are not opposites (disobedience to conscience is the opposite of faith). I believe in spite of doubt.

Every attempt at a comprehensive world view has internal apparent contradictions and shortcomings of various magnitude. No one has presented me with a comprehensive world view that makes more sense to me than the Christian understanding, certainly not atheism which pretty much makes a complete botch of the immaterial world, and has its own "leaps of faith" in the material world.

26 posted on 06/10/2007 9:01:08 PM PDT by cookcounty (No journalist ever won a prize for reporting the facts. --Telling big stories? Now that's a hit.)
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To: kathsua

Nobody undertakes science without an underlying philosophy or, if you will, religion. No human observer is fully capable of objectivity. There are any number of ways to make sense of the things we observe on a daily basis. Some, as do I, come at it from the perspective of the biblical texts. Others have texts of their own making from which to postulate and draw conclusions.

At bottom science is not as cut and dried as we’d like it to be. Human experience does not leave much, if any, room for absolute statements.


36 posted on 06/10/2007 9:20:44 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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Science Becoming a Religion

Science is not a religion. Naturalism is a religion. Many scientists are naturalists and somehow believe that it is their science rather than their naturalism that is the foundation of their worldview. What their argument usually boils down to is "Since we have cell phones and know how electricity works, supernaturalism cannot be real."
43 posted on 06/10/2007 9:38:10 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: kathsua

GW is clearly an example where politics has so taken over research that the whole field is taking on religious overtones. But I think that takeover is temporary. The nature of science is that it does self-correct.


55 posted on 06/11/2007 5:05:38 AM PDT by samtheman
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To play the devil’s advocate, let me tell you that it’d illustrate better how science could degenerate into the realm of religion and philosophy by citing modern physics instead of the usual tired argument of “evolution ain’t science but religion stuff”.

Argue how SUSY or super string theories or quantum gravity are so far ahead of their experimental peers, they are no better than philosophical or religious musings of bearded old men in their citadels. You’d gain more followers in the “science is religion” camp by doing so.


57 posted on 06/11/2007 6:40:36 AM PDT by jc101
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To: kathsua

bump for later reading


59 posted on 06/11/2007 12:37:05 PM PDT by Kevmo (We need to get away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party ~Duncan Hunter)
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To: kathsua
Bad headline. The real problem is that people, including a few scientists, are taking an increasingly religious attitude toward what science uncovers for us. Before global warming became an issue, I never heard scientists using the term ‘believe’ about any aspect of science.
68 posted on 06/12/2007 7:09:43 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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71 posted on 06/12/2007 9:00:10 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: kathsua
Science does seem to be overrated at times.

The problem isn't science but it's misuse.

72 posted on 06/12/2007 9:16:05 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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Religion has truths that are to be accepted without question.

Times must be tough at the Telegraph, now that they have fifth graders writing articles for them.

75 posted on 06/13/2007 5:12:50 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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"Religion has truths that are to be accepted without question."

Though Israel means to struggle with God while islam to submit.

I argue with God, constantly.

76 posted on 06/13/2007 6:35:15 AM PDT by onedoug
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83 posted on 06/13/2007 12:13:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 8, 2007.)
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111 posted on 06/13/2007 9:44:42 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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