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ISU "intelligent design" prof denied tenure.
Iowa State University ^ | 6/11/07 | Greg Happel

Posted on 06/11/2007 6:07:54 AM PDT by LinnKeyes2000

It seems that a prof that sees value in intelligent design theory has been barred from tenure. http://www.iastate.edu/~nscentral/news/2007/jun/statement.shtml


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: christianmythology; design; intelligent; mythology; professor; superstition
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Show me any empirical evidence to suggest that any fossil is a billion years old, that doesn't rely upon circular argumentation.

Show me how the Rubidium-Strontium dating method is circular.

41 posted on 06/11/2007 12:03:23 PM PDT by js1138
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To: saganite

IE should be exposed for the fraudulent concept that it is.

Are you aware of the scientists that support ID?
Are you are aware of the scientist that support a combination (co-mingling of) of ID and the theory of evolution?

Your dismissal of a theory that is supported by many in the scientific community is amusing.


42 posted on 06/11/2007 12:07:53 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: saganite
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I’m saying that at one point in history, it was conventional belief the earth was flat, and the universe revolved around the earth, and anyone that dared challenge that status quo was treated quite badly, just as Prof. Gonzales is being treated badly for daring to espouse a line of thinking that bucks the system, especially that system esposed by the ultra-lib "edustocracy" at Iowa State.

43 posted on 06/11/2007 12:09:34 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Life's a bitch...don't let one be elected president.)
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To: svcw

Many scientists continued to support the idea that the Earth was the center of the universe after it was proven otherwise. What’s your point? Your scientists are right and others are wrong?


44 posted on 06/11/2007 12:13:32 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: saganite

Wow what a come back.


45 posted on 06/11/2007 12:16:16 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: saganite

(Billions and billions and billions——and that’s just the NASA budget!)

Just noticed your tag line...what you do not like space exploration either.

Besides you are so wrong about billions and billions and billions, NASAs budget is not nearly enough!


46 posted on 06/11/2007 12:30:17 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: LinnKeyes2000

Actually he is not promoting intelligent design, rather that the universe was designed for discovery. Here is a paragraph from Gonzales’s co-author.

“No it’s not. We never argue for design based on the rarity of habitable planets. In fact, we spend a great deal of time arguing that that’s a bad argument. Rather, we argue that the overlap of conditions for life and for scientific discovery suggests design, because you would expect such an overlap if the universe were designed for discovery, but not otherwise. Hauptman doesn’t even know our basic premise - which a number of prominent scientists have found persuasive - even though it’s in the subtitle of the book (”How Our Place In the Cosmos Is Designed for Discovery”).
om one of the authors”


47 posted on 06/11/2007 12:59:45 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: svcw

The manned NASA program is a waste of money. The other productive side of NASA, unmanned exploration (which I support 110%), doesn’t get nearly the money it needs but produces 99% of the results. I support privatising near space exploration. The manned Moon program and Mars program are make work for the defense industry, nothing more.


48 posted on 06/11/2007 2:13:23 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: saganite

As you have framed it in this response, I agree.


49 posted on 06/11/2007 2:22:15 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: saganite
The Professor has not been fired and he will presumably continue to espouse his ideas as he sees fit. He’s been denied tenure (a decision reserved for the University, not you or me or the Federal govt), far short of silencing him.

I agree with you. Personally, I can't stand tenure anyway. However, I don't think Intelligent Design is

Injecting religion ... into science

or that

claiming it has equal validity has no value.

I don't see any injection of religion in this problem:

A. Man, the Universe, and all life was created by accident
or
B. They were not.

And I think either option is equally valid to debate.
50 posted on 06/11/2007 9:23:29 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: js1138
Show me how the Rubidium-Strontium dating method is circular.

It's not so much that Rb-Sr dating, itself, is circular, but that it is merely grossly inaccurate, like other radiodating methods. Even Science magazine accepts the essential truth that Rb-Sr isochron dating can yield results which can be "greater than the true age by many hundreds of millions of years". (C. Brooks, D. E. James & S. R. Hart, "Ancient Lithosphere: Its Role in Young Continental Volcanism," Science, Vol. 193, Sept. 17, 1976, p. 1093.)

Inaccurate methodology is then applied to date rock strata, and the inaccurate dates obtained are then used to date fossils within the strata. Similar fossils in different strata are attached to these arbitrary datings, and used to date the strata in which they reside, and so on. In other words, circular reasoning.

51 posted on 06/12/2007 7:26:28 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Run Fred RUN!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

So what? Three hundred million years is about seven percent of the age of the earth. This is why ages of the earth and the universe are approximate. Every measurement in science has a percentage of error.

But there are several dozen overlapping methods of ratiometric dating. Each one reinforces and refines the results of the others.

So by your admission, there is a non-circular demonstration that the earth is more than four billion years old, a method that is free of contamination errors.


52 posted on 06/12/2007 2:54:21 PM PDT by js1138
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To: saganite

“...an attempt by the religious elite... to close the debate about the origins of life and silence...”

What an ignorant, unenlightened statement.

LOL. you expose your small minded-ness and lack of intellect.


53 posted on 06/12/2007 6:29:22 PM PDT by Mark Felton ("Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom...though it cost all you have get understanding" - Prov. 4)
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To: LinnKeyes2000
Once again, nobody has provided ANY evidence to show that he was denied tenure either solely or in part because of ID.

And once again, NOBODY here has addressed the REAL issue, which is the tenure system as a whole, which should be outlawed.

54 posted on 06/14/2007 9:14:40 PM PDT by yahoo (There IS a solution to illegal immigration. It's called the Mexipult.)
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