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Climate alarmists lose another piece of evidence
enterstageright ^ | 6/11/2007 | Dennis T. Avery

Posted on 06/11/2007 10:11:38 AM PDT by Neville72

Don't look now, but another big chunk of the "evidence" for man-made global warming suddenly disappeared. Poof! Researchers just reported that the world's most recent case of "abrupt climate change"—which occurred a mere 12,000 years ago—was probably due to a comet strike, not to "climate sensitivity."

The Younger Dryas occurred as an Ice Age was ending. As the climate began to warm, a huge and sudden rush of fresh meltwater broke out from the Great Lakes and swept out to sea. The water surge was monumental enough that the meltwater lowered the salinity of the ocean, shut down the Atlantic conveyor currents, which disperse the planet's heat, and threw the northern hemisphere back into another thousand years of Ice Age. It raised temperatures near Greenland by a startling 15 degrees C, even as it doubled annual rainfall.

Modern climatologists have savored the Younger Dryas event as massive evidence of what comes when we push the planet's climate too close to a "tipping point." Further human-driven warming, they say, will make such abrupt climate changes more likely, with searing droughts, torrential rainfall, and extreme heat.

The National Academy of Sciences issued a 2002 report titled Abrupt Climate Change: Inevitable Surprises, which said abrupt climate changes have been especially common when the climate system was being forced to change most rapidly. According to that theory, greenhouse warming today could be drastically increasing risks from climate change.

At least, that's what the experts said until the latest meeting of the American Geophysical Union in Acapulco on May 23rd when James Kennett of the University of California/Santa Barbara presented evidence of a dramatically different cause for the Younger Dryas event: a comet that struck somewhere near the Great Lakes.

"Highest concentrations of extraterrestrial impact materials occur in the Great Lakes area and spread out from there," Kennett says. "It would have had major effects on humans. Immediate effects would have been in the North and East, producing shockwaves, heat, flooding, wildfires, and a destruction and fragmentation of the human population."

Paleontologists had assumed a huge lake of meltwater accumulated near the Great Lakes due to the Ice Age ending, but had never located its possible site. Nor have they explained a thin layer of charred sediment found throughout North America that dates from 12,000 years ago. The sediment layer contains carbon spheres whose creation would have required temperatures of at least 4000 C. Electron microscopes reveal that the carbon beads contain tiny diamonds whose creation would have required enormous temperatures and pressures.

The U.S. sediment layer does not contain much iridium, which is the telltale signal of an asteroid strike. That argues for a comet, made up primarily of "dirty ice," rather than an asteroid like the one which hit Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula 65 million years ago and wiped out the dinosaurs.

Kennett says the ice sheet could have absorbed the impact of the comet's "dirty ice," even as the comet's heat produced the flood of meltwater. Kennett says the comet may have destroyed 15 mammal species and might have left only a few surviving humans from North America's early Clovis culture. America's bison survived, but much smaller in size and with a remarkable similarity in their DNA—indicating that they descended from a small group of comet survivors.

The comet theory comes as a crushing blow to the climate alarmists. It follows the publication of Unstoppable Global Warming—Every 1,500 Years, which assembles the historic and scientific evidence of a long, natural climate cycle that swings temperatures about 2-4 degrees C over its lifetime—accounting for the Medieval Warming, the Roman Warming and the Holocene Warming 5,000 years ago. Then came Henrik Svensmark's demonstration at the Danish Space Research Institute, of how cosmic rays link changes in the sun's irradiance to the formation of the low, wet clouds that cover more than 20 percent of the earth. The clouds are nature's thermostats, deflecting more or less heat back out to space depending on the sun's strength.

Now the alarmists have lost the "abrupt climate change" of the Younger Dryas. More and more, recent science is pointing to our modern warming as being part of a 1500-year cycle that stretches back at least a million years.

If the Younger Dryas was caused by a comet, perhaps we should rethink being frightened by the neighbor's SUV.

Dennis T. Avery was a senior policy analyst for the U.S. State Department, where he won the National Intelligence Medal of Achievement. He is the co-author, with atmospheric physicist Fred Singer, of the book, Unstoppable Global Warming—Every 1500 Years, available from Rowman & Littlefield. Readers may write him at the Center for Global Food Issues, Post Office Box 202, Churchville, VA 24421


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; climatechange; clovis; clovisimpact; globalwarming; impact

1 posted on 06/11/2007 10:11:40 AM PDT by Neville72
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To: Neville72
If the Younger Dryas was caused by a comet, perhaps we should rethink being frightened by the neighbor's SUV.
Oh, yee of little faith!

Are you too blind to see that maybe, just maybe, that comet was CAUSED by the neighbor's SUV?

(None are so blind as those who refuse to squeeze facts into pre-set ideologies.)

2 posted on 06/11/2007 10:14:47 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Neville72
Why would this be relevant? After all, I'm being beaten about the head & face with "the debate is over".

/s

3 posted on 06/11/2007 10:15:50 AM PDT by kromike
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To: Neville72

One major volcanic eruption puts more CO2 into the atmosphere than all human sources combined. How we gonna put a muzzle on that? BTW the answer is we’re not gonna be able to do it.


4 posted on 06/11/2007 10:16:09 AM PDT by RKV
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To: Neville72
The culprit behind global warming????

A Comet!


5 posted on 06/11/2007 10:16:37 AM PDT by Fudd
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To: Neville72; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; SideoutFred; Ole Okie; ...


FReepmail me to get on or off
Click on POGW graphic for full GW rundown
Dr. John Ray's
GREENIE WATCH


Indeed...
6 posted on 06/11/2007 10:17:51 AM PDT by xcamel ("It's Thompson Time!")
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To: Fudd

Jeez, look at that ugly bugger. I had forgotten all about those.

What model is it? Is the “75” on the windshield the year OR how much the owner had to pay someone to take it off his hands. LOL


7 posted on 06/11/2007 10:21:02 AM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Neville72
interesting, perhaps that explains the rather long lasting warm period for the last 12,000 years. most of the hot peaks from the Vostok ice core data were rather short lived...


8 posted on 06/11/2007 10:24:19 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Neville72

Since it has been demonstrated that Carbon Dioxide increases in the atmosphere lag the global temperature by some 800 years has anyone bothered to investigate if The Carbon dioxide levels aren’t actually a natural regulatory mechanism that helps maintain the the planet’s equilibrium and if we continue to mess with it we will upset the balance in the the exact opposite to the original intended consequence?


9 posted on 06/11/2007 10:24:41 AM PDT by Wil H (So just who decided that the current global climate was optimum?)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Ping


10 posted on 06/11/2007 10:26:36 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: RKV
One major volcanic eruption puts more CO2 into the atmosphere than all human sources combined. How we gonna put a muzzle on that?

A muzzle and a giant cork to close up the two huge pie holes on L. Ron Gore might be a start ;)

11 posted on 06/11/2007 10:28:27 AM PDT by ssaftler (Beware the Reverend L. Ron Gore and his Church of Climatology.)
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To: Neville72

Well, yeah but the computer models have long ago stopped predicting we would see 20 feet rise in sea level, but that does not stop Al Gore from making a movie about it. Global Warmers do not let facts get in their way of putting out doom and gloom propaganda.


12 posted on 06/11/2007 10:32:35 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Neville72

Did comet start deadly cold snap?
Canada.com | Monday, May 14, 2007 | Margaret Munro
Posted on 05/16/2007 6:00:33 PM EDT by Mike Darancette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834769/posts

Diamonds tell tale of comet that killed off the cavemen
Guardian | 5-20-07 | Robin McKie
Posted on 05/20/2007 7:50:33 PM EDT by Renfield
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1836898/posts

Catastrophic Comet Chilled and Killed Ice Age Beasts (and Clovis people)
Live Science | 05/21/07 | Jeanna Bryner
Posted on 05/22/2007 1:16:48 AM EDT by TigerLikesRooster
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1837610/posts

Oregon Researchers Involved In New Clovis-Age Impact Theory (More)
Eureka Alert
Posted on 05/23/2007 5:30:19 PM EDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1838660/posts

Comet May Have Doomed Mammoths
Red Orbit | 5-26-07 | Betsy Mason
Posted on 05/26/2007 9:12:53 AM EDT by Renfield
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1840136/posts


13 posted on 06/11/2007 11:05:46 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 8, 2007.)
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To: BenLurkin
Thanks BenLurkin.
 
Catastrophism
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14 posted on 06/11/2007 11:06:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 8, 2007.)
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To: Neville72

And who caused the “comet”? But of course, human life.


15 posted on 06/11/2007 11:13:06 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Neville72
2007 Joint Assembly
PP43A-06 The Younger Dryas ET Impact Theory and Terminal Pleistocene Mammalian Extinctions in North America
Despite decades of intensive study and debate, no consensus has been reached on what caused the extinction of North America's mammalian megafauna at the end of the Pleistocene. In a scholarly standoff, prominent scientists have shown that neither "human overkill" or "climate change" models adequately account for the patterns found in the paleontological and archaeological records of North America. The Younger Dryas ET Impact theory may dramatically alter this debate, adding a catastrophic trigger to help explain the rapid extinction of many large mammals about 12,900 years ago. New data suggest that an extraterrestrial impact focused in northern and eastern North America may have devastated the megafauna through: (1) direct mortality caused by the impacts shock wave, debris, and massive wildfires; (2) dramatic reduction of terrestrial food supplies, rapid climatic change, and ecological reorganization; and (3) coup-de-grace effects of surviving human populations rapidly expanding after the impact.
PP05: New Insights into Younger Dryas Climatic Instability, Mass Extinction, the Clovis People, and Extraterrestrial Impacts
The deglaciation that followed the last ice age period was abruptly and dramatically interrupted ~12,900 years ago by widespread cooling that marks the onset of the Younger Dryas Cool Episode, an apparent climatic anomaly in Quaternary deglaciation behavior. Much evidence shows that the Younger Dryas onset was marked by abrupt changes in ice sheet configuration, diversion of North American flood-waters to the northern Atlantic, the sudden emptying of proglacial lakes, and the reorganization of thermohaline circulation that may have triggered severe cooling. Nevertheless, significant questions have recently emerged about timing and direction of major freshwater flows to the oceans, in turn raising questions about the triggering mechanism for the Younger Dryas. The onset of the Younger Dryas also appears to have coincided with massive, widespread and punctuated changes in animal biota and Paleolithic cultural development centered in North and South America. This is represented by the well-known extinction of the megafauna of the Americas, including mammoths, horses and groundsloths (the most recent of all mass extinctions) and the termination of Clovis and certain other contemporaneous Paleolithic human cultures. The cause of these changes is also highly controversial and much debated, but is likely tied to the severe environmental changes that occurred at the beginning of the Younger Dryas. Nevertheless, some researchers consider these to be coincidental events, while others link the two as cause and effect. Another hypothesis attributes the extinctions to overhunting by Clovis people and other Paleolithic hunters or to pandemics associated with human migrations. However, all these hypotheses appear to fall short in satisfactorily explaining much available evidence. A new hypothesis posits that Younger Dryas cooling was instead triggered by extraterrestrial impacts that caused ice sheet destabilization, flood-water rediversion and changes in ocean circulation. This work offers newly uncovered evidence for ET impact at 12.9 ka including end-Clovis age sediments throughout North America with high levels of Iridium, magnetic and carbon, spherules, glass-like carbon, fullerenes, and ET noble gas ratios often in association with carbonaceous black layers and succeeded by black mats with unusual biota In this session, we invite abstracts that will explore the strengths and weaknesses of existing and new hypotheses that attempt to explain the cause of the Younger Dryas and of associated changes in the global environmental system, the associated extinctions, and of human cultural changes. We welcome all abstracts exploring new perspectives on the chronology, stratigraphic succession and potential interconnections between a wide-range of processes that appear to have been associated with the Younger Dryas Episode. These include abrupt climatic change, ice-sheet deglaciation, flood-water rerouting, surficial geology, iceberg discharge, ocean reorganization including thermohaline circulation, and sea-level change. Also critical is the timing and nature of major extinction, Paleolithic cultural succession and impact-related phenomena.

16 posted on 06/11/2007 11:14:13 AM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: RKV

Do you have a source or link for that? Good NFO to combat the hysteria.


17 posted on 06/11/2007 11:17:24 AM PDT by SolitaryMan (Two types of ships...Submarines and Targets)
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To: BufordP

btt


18 posted on 06/11/2007 11:18:50 AM PDT by beebuster2000 (choice is not not peace or war, but small war now, or big war later masquerading as peace now.)
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To: samtheman; xcamel
The comet theory comes as a crushing blow to the climate alarmists. It follows the publication of Unstoppable Global Warming—Every 1,500 Years, which assembles the historic and scientific evidence of a long, natural climate cycle that swings temperatures about 2-4 degrees C over its lifetime—accounting for the Medieval Warming, the Roman Warming and the Holocene Warming 5,000 years ago.

OK, he said slowly.

What part of the 1500 year cycle are we in then? Medieval Warming would have to be defined fairly closely in order that we establish whether we are the end of the current warming cycle, the peak, or a new beginning.

Or whether we simply are watching the sun go nova a bit earlier than the astronomers predicted.

(After all, He told Noah that He’d never destroy the earth by flood again. That leaves fire as an obvious option.) 8<)

19 posted on 06/11/2007 11:19:51 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Neville72

I think it is a ‘75. My in-laws had one a nice mustardy yellow color.


20 posted on 06/11/2007 11:20:37 AM PDT by Fudd
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To: BufordP
We welcome all abstracts exploring new perspectives on the chronology, stratigraphic succession and potential interconnections between a wide-range of processes that appear to have been associated with the Younger Dryas Episode. These include abrupt climatic change, ice-sheet deglaciation, flood-water rerouting, surficial geology, iceberg discharge, ocean reorganization including thermohaline circulation, and sea-level change. Also critical is the timing and nature of major extinction, Paleolithic cultural succession and impact-related phenomena.

Notice that he is actually INVITING criticism and debate on this thesis? Instead of warning that those who disagree should be fired as reactionary extremists.

21 posted on 06/11/2007 11:22:54 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: lilylangtree

Bush lied, Mastadons died.


22 posted on 06/11/2007 11:25:55 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Did Dennis Kucinich always look like that or did he have to submit to a series of shots? [firehat])
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Actually, today’s warming is not only a bit “slower” (flatter-topped) curve than the previous very sharp rise and fall from the highest temperatures.

Today’s “peak” (if it IS the maximum temperature) is also not as high as previous peak temperatures: Today’s temperatures are 1/2 of 1 degree “above 0 deg C”, and the past peak temperatures average +2.5 degrees above today’s temperatures.

So we’ve got some more heating up to do: even if the peak is close.

23 posted on 06/11/2007 11:28:07 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

But this is all obsoleted by the fact that Ben & Jerry have decided that GW is caused by cows belching as they chew their cud.

(I’m not making this up. You can’t make this stuff up.)


24 posted on 06/11/2007 11:33:00 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Neville72

If global warming turns out not to be caused by humans its gonna be worse, not better. If we didn’t start it then we likely cannot stop it by reasonable means.

Fortunately there are unreasonable means available if it comes to that. And fortunately its happening much slower than Al Gore would have us believe.


25 posted on 06/11/2007 11:33:22 AM PDT by gondramB (Do not do to others as you would not wish done to yourself. Thus no murmuring will rise against you.)
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To: SolitaryMan
I stand mildly corrected.

Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1992). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 22 billion tonnes per year (24 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 1998) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2.]. [note: and that's a current levels, not for all of history] http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070603200314AAuwnT2&show=7

Remember folks, that's an average. And volcanoes have been around a lot longer than humans have. Therefore, volcanoes have put more CO2 into the atmosphere than humans have in the course of the life of the planet. The earth is approximately 4.7 billion years old (4,700,000,000) and humans have been here for 200,000 years according to best current science. I'll spare you the math of that calculation, and will admit to having no better data available than to straightline the estimate, but it does work out.

The details matter and that is my correction.
26 posted on 06/11/2007 12:16:55 PM PDT by RKV
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To: gondramB
If global warming turns out not to be caused by humans its gonna be worse, not better. If we didn’t start it then we likely cannot stop it by reasonable means. Fortunately there are unreasonable means available if it comes to that.

Or we just accept it as a natural occurance like rain, drought, snow, earthquakes and tsunami and make the individual adjustments required (like move a few miles inland, over the course of many generations, as the water levels rise.)

Weather happens, whether we like it or not.

27 posted on 06/11/2007 12:26:39 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam
I recently watched the Star Trek episode where aliens take out Spock’s brain and McCoy puts it back in, but I had forgotten why they were underground. The planet was going into an ice age. The men stayed on the surface but sent the women subterranean with a supercomputer. As advanced as we are technologically, I wonder how we’d fare through another ice age?
28 posted on 06/11/2007 12:31:20 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: dead

>> Or we just accept it as a natural occurance like rain, drought, snow, earthquakes and tsunami and make the individual adjustments required (like move a few miles inland, over the course of many generations, as the water levels rise.)

Weather happens, whether we like it or not.<<

It depends on how hot it gets and how much the seas rise and what the effects are on the weather. At some point it may become preferable to invoke a mild nuclear winter.

The Greens will love that.


29 posted on 06/11/2007 12:47:26 PM PDT by gondramB (Do not do to others as you would not wish done to yourself. Thus no murmuring will rise against you.)
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To: Neville72

This is not to say that we should not be concerned about environment or pollution, but the global warming hysteria diverts attention from what might be vital issues in the future, like the planet’s ever growing population.

gfs


30 posted on 06/11/2007 1:12:20 PM PDT by George - the Other (Goodnight, Mrs. Calabash ...)
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To: RKV

bump!


31 posted on 06/11/2007 1:21:26 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: colorado tanker
" As advanced as we are technologically, I wonder how we’d fare through another ice age?"

Some of the places you'd think would be safe/warm, wouldn't be. Ice Ages are very, very dry. Starvation would kill most.

32 posted on 06/11/2007 2:37:10 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I think you're right. The arable land would decrease so drastically the population couldn't be sustained. And things would likely get very nasty as Europeans and North Americans tried to move south.

Give me global warming over global cooling any day.

33 posted on 06/11/2007 2:40:20 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Wil H
The Carbon dioxide levels aren’t actually a natural regulatory mechanism that helps maintain the the planet’s equilibrium and if we continue to mess with it we will upset the balance in the the exact opposite to the original intended consequence?

My exact thoughts when I hear some of these crackpot alarmist action plans to deal with affecting a reverse in warming, such as filling the upper atmosphere with reflectors and mega-scale machines built to remove CO2 from the atmosphere and put it in the earth.

These people are nuts.

34 posted on 06/11/2007 2:47:30 PM PDT by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: colorado tanker; muawiyah
"And things would likely get very nasty as Europeans and North Americans tried to move south."

I'd take my guns and ammo and move into the ice (or, close to it)...maybe my Sa'ami genes would give me an advantage, lol.

35 posted on 06/11/2007 3:07:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: fanfan; GMMAC; xcamel; DaveLoneRanger; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Baynative; calcowgirl; sourcery; ...

ping


36 posted on 06/11/2007 5:46:39 PM PDT by Reform Canada (Kyoto=>More Unemployment=>More Poverty=>More Homeless=>More Crime=>More Rape & Murder)
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To: colorado tanker

Depends on what actually brings them about... :’)


37 posted on 06/11/2007 9:15:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 8, 2007.)
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To: Neville72

bump for later comment


38 posted on 06/12/2007 9:38:05 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: Neville72

Very, very interesting. Thanks for posting this.


39 posted on 06/13/2007 7:02:56 AM PDT by syriacus (Had the US troops remained in S. Korea in 1949, there would have been no Korean War)
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To: Neville72

This was a major discovery, and a huge chink in the alarmist’s modeling. Of course, they won’t care - they’ll explain this away just as adeptly as they attempt to explain away the other planets’ (especially Mars) warming, the extremely high correlation of the Sun, the global cooling alarmist of the 1970s, and their blythe ignorance of the effects of temperature change inertia, statistics, and measurement errors.


40 posted on 07/06/2007 9:37:50 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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