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Researchers Seek DNA Link to Lost Colony
WRAL & AP ^ | June 11, 2007

Posted on 06/11/2007 2:04:04 PM PDT by varina davis

Edited on 06/11/2007 2:34:32 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

ROANOKE ISLAND, N.C. - Researchers believe they may be able to use DNA to uncover the fate of the Lost Colony, which vanished shortly after more than 100 people settled on Roanoke Island in 1587.

Using genealogy, deeds and historical narratives, researchers have compiled 168 surnames that could be connected to settlers in what is considered the first attempt by the English to colonize the New World. The team will try to trace the roots of individuals related to the colonists, to the area's 16th century American Indians or to both.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: americanhistory; colonialamerica; colony; dna; godsgravesglyphs; lost; lostcolony; roanoke; virginia; virginiahistory
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One of my favorite archeological mysteries!
1 posted on 06/11/2007 2:04:09 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


2 posted on 06/11/2007 2:05:32 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Don't mistake timid driving for defensive driving.)
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To: varina davis

They went to Croatoan, right?


3 posted on 06/11/2007 2:05:41 PM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: Unknowing
They went to Croatoan, right?

Nope, Sun City Arizona.....

4 posted on 06/11/2007 2:08:30 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (......)
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To: varina davis

Go talk to the Lumbee tribe. They’ve always maintained that they were descendants of the Croatan Indians and the Roanoke Island colonists.


5 posted on 06/11/2007 2:08:42 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: varina davis

Just go visit the Lumberton area and Lumbee Indian tribe. That is where they went.


6 posted on 06/11/2007 2:09:33 PM PDT by doodad
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To: varina davis

Hey, we found John Edwards’ “other America”...


7 posted on 06/11/2007 2:10:22 PM PDT by seamusnh
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To: varina davis

How will they take cheek swabs from the ancestors?

I like the part about the colonists disappearing while their governor was away. Lots of us in New Jersey would like to try that trick.


8 posted on 06/11/2007 2:10:53 PM PDT by docbnj
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To: RegulatorCountry
Sometime around 1620 the authorities at Jamestown estimated that there were 20,000 or more persons of European origin in the area we now call Maryland.

Where did they come from?

9 posted on 06/11/2007 2:11:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: varina davis

The link you provided as the source doesn’t go to the article. Please provide a working link to the article.

Thanks.


10 posted on 06/11/2007 2:11:21 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: muawiyah
Where did they come from?

Same place the Banks ponies came from, I suppose ... shipwrecks.

11 posted on 06/11/2007 2:13:31 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: doodad
Mmmm, Lumbee...

http://imdb.com/name/nm0000181/

12 posted on 06/11/2007 2:13:37 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Hot Tabasco

Moab, Utah. Jimmy Hoffa and Elvis run a Convenience store and bait shop there.


13 posted on 06/11/2007 2:16:01 PM PDT by CholeraJoe ("You just killed a helicopter with a car!" "I know. I was out of bullets.")
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To: varina davis

Lost Colony? Tell me more...

14 posted on 06/11/2007 2:19:14 PM PDT by Gator101
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To: varina davis

Personal opinion is that they were attacked, either by one of the Amerindian tribes (such as the Roanoke), or by the Spanish. Otherwise, they could have written some sort of message explaining what they were doing—although they were delayed, the former colonists who have traveled back to Europe were supposed to come back.


15 posted on 06/11/2007 2:23:12 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: varina davis

Personal opinion is that they were attacked, either by one of the Amerindian tribes (such as the Roanoke), or by the Spanish. Otherwise, they could have written some sort of message explaining what they were doing—although they were delayed, the former colonists who have traveled back to Europe were supposed to come back.


16 posted on 06/11/2007 2:23:41 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Unknowing

I’m going to Croatoan
Croatoan here I come
I’m going to Croatoan
Croatoan here I come
It’s just ah...........................................


17 posted on 06/11/2007 2:25:05 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Roanoke Croatoan/Croatan apparently.
18 posted on 06/11/2007 2:25:33 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Think of it, 20,000 people ~ no history, no references, just a head count by someone from Jamestown.

Another item I picked up several months ago was that there were 30 other European settlements up and down the East Coast besides Jamestown. All but 1 of them have NOT been studied even though it is believed their locations are known.

So, who were these people? In reading through the various histories of New Sweden, it was supposedly founded in 1638. Nothing ever mentions the raw wilderness, just how they began farming.

Even the Jamestown guys remark on the absence of shelter, as do those who founded Plymouth. New Amsterdam/New York is another curious colony. There seemed to already be European people in the area.

The Thirty Years War (1618-1648) must have been a tremendous incentive for folks to leave Continental Europe. Did hopeful colonies of early survivalist types land here, and if so, where?

19 posted on 06/11/2007 2:26:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Were they just light-skinned Amerindians?


20 posted on 06/11/2007 2:28:03 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: muawiyah
They're still finding remnants of legendary Spanish forts in surprising parts of NC, like near a town named "Old Fort." There may very well be truth to many of the old claims of the unique, triracial isolate groups of NC, such as Lumbee and Melungeon. Meanwhile, here's a really pretty pic of Banks ponies, lol:

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21 posted on 06/11/2007 2:30:55 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: varina davis
DNA is set to deliver some very intersting suprises in many areas...some will be shocking, I'll bet.

I've already had one suprise by having my DNA analyzed. I traced my mtDNA (female) to an obscure Sa'ami tribe (Skoat) on the Kola Penesula(sp) and only 400 people alive today speak the Skoat Sa'ami language. They are in haplogroup 'V' and are so unique that they are described as the 'Sa'ami motif'. Benjamin Franklin was in haplogroup 'V' too.

My question is how did a Skoat Sa'ami become a Southeast Alabama farm girl (my mother)?

22 posted on 06/11/2007 2:31:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
The early authorities in Jamestown pretty well knew the difference. They were in the business of bringing in all sorts of Europeans themselves.

I don't believe at that time that Jamestown and its various plantations had more than 5,000 people. Hence my surprise at the 20,000 head count.

23 posted on 06/11/2007 2:36:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Ping.


24 posted on 06/11/2007 2:37:20 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
"Ping."

Thanks. See my post #22.

25 posted on 06/11/2007 2:38:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: varina davis
Please pardon my ignorance.

I was in Virginia a few years ago, and there was some info about a colony of about 400 that vanished, and years later traces showed up of their presence.

It was along the James River, and it was all quite fascinating, but my time there and then was limited.

I think that it was near Williamsburg, but I forget now because I try to get to the area every year and things in my memory sometimes get mixed up.

Is this about that same group?

26 posted on 06/11/2007 2:39:41 PM PDT by Radix (Claim 10 dependents on your W-2 and have the Gov't struggle to make ends meet.)
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To: blam
Cold winters!

Blam, have you been watching "Most Dangerous Catch"? Check the small guys on deck who work in the cold without gloves (except when handling gear).

Also, that survival deal where the fellow fell into the water and the other boat went over and picked him up ~ he didn't have on a water tight wet suit ~ most folks would DIE within a couple of minutes in that water.

You are watching Sa'ami and Eskimos in action. A couple of times they had some Aleutian Island Russians involved ~ and they are equally hardy.

On the other end we find folks like Kevin Sorbo ~ much bigger guy ~ same race, different tribe. Then there's Reese Witherspoon.

27 posted on 06/11/2007 2:43:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Radix
It was along the James River, and it was all quite fascinating, but my time there and then was limited.

You're thinking of James Cittie, which literally vanished, the physical settlement itself, since it was built on swampy land. The colonists didn't vanish, though, because I'm descended from one in my paternal grandmother's line.

28 posted on 06/11/2007 2:48:06 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: varina davis

Well! Interesting indeed! But I hope it’s not costing too much moola to do the research.


29 posted on 06/11/2007 2:50:06 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Radix
I think you are pointing to the Spanish mission at Hopewell. Some sources indicate that Squanto went to school there. Other sources have him never showing up in Virginia. He was Captain John Smith's Indian agent. Other early residents of Jamestown came directly from the Spanish Hopewell mission due to fear of Indian attacks.

Anyway, the found the remains of the Hopewell site about ten years ago. More recently they located the remains of the earliest part of the Jamestown settlement. It was right at the riverbank, and some of it had washed away.

The oldest known settlement in the vicinity of Jamestown is that of a French Huguenot known as Jean Bo who'd settled there circa 1598 (which, BTW, is pretty consistent with the Hardin family tradition that one of the brothers went South to Virginia in 1598). The archaologists found his house. It had been made of wattle and daub. He'd plastered it with gravel to protect it from such things as Indian fire arrows, hail and depredation by bears, wolves and other critters.

All that's left is an outline of the foundation. Right around the outer perimeter is a band of gravel which fell off into the mud when his house was burned down or rotted out. This is all referenced in the Martin's Hundred book.

30 posted on 06/11/2007 2:50:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: varina davis

Interesting!


31 posted on 06/11/2007 2:53:38 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: blam
My question is how did a Skoat Sa'ami become a Southeast Alabama farm girl (my mother)?

An Englishman working in the Muscovy Company trade through Archangel took a local girl who turned out to be a Saami as his bride, and descedants later emigrated to America??? Just a SWAG.

32 posted on 06/11/2007 2:56:07 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: TigersEye

interesting ping ~P~


33 posted on 06/11/2007 2:59:33 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: muawiyah
"Blam, have you been watching "Most Dangerous Catch"?"

I think so. Is that the one where they work mainly out of Dutch Harbor, Alaska and do the crabbing? That's one of my favorites...for some reason, lol.

34 posted on 06/11/2007 3:10:44 PM PDT by blam
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"One of my favorite archaeological mysteries!"

I read they died from starvation during a severe drought.

For what it's worth.

35 posted on 06/11/2007 3:17:32 PM PDT by America needs to wakeup (After three days men grow weary, of a wench, a guest, and weather rainy.)
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To: blam

blam, that is just fascinating! Please tell us more.


36 posted on 06/11/2007 3:18:25 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Admin Moderator

Sorry. Here is a working link (I hope):

http://www.pilotonline.com


37 posted on 06/11/2007 3:23:00 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
Oh and here is the link to the article.

http://www.unc.edu/depts/cmse/science/droughts.html

Enjoy!

38 posted on 06/11/2007 3:27:25 PM PDT by America needs to wakeup (After three days men grow weary, of a wench, a guest, and weather rainy.)
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To: colorado tanker; varina davis
"An Englishman working in the Muscovy Company trade through Archangel took a local girl who turned out to be a Saami as his bride, and descedants later emigrated to America??? Just a SWAG."

As good a guess as any...I think the DNA will eventually reveal all though.

BTW, my dad's Y-chromosome DNA is R1b as are 90% of the Irish and 68% of all other Europeans. It is the most widespread male DNA in all of Europe. The most widespread mtDNA (female) in Europe is haplogroup 'H' (Helena), same as my son's mother. He has the most common European DNA in the family, 'R1b' from me and 'H' from his mother.

I had my DNA tested through the National Geographic Genographic Project and they're constantly doing on-line updates on my DNA lineages. It's exciting.

39 posted on 06/11/2007 3:32:56 PM PDT by blam
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To: docbnj

No, no... New Jerseyans want the governor to go away.


40 posted on 06/11/2007 3:36:15 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Don't you worry, never fear, FDT will soon be here. http://www.imwithfred.com)
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To: muawiyah

Between 1607 and 1620 there were dozens of ships carrying people to the colony. One of my 8th-great-grandfathers was brought to Jamestown in 1619 as an adolescent orphan and he settled in Maryland.


41 posted on 06/11/2007 3:39:39 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Don't you worry, never fear, FDT will soon be here. http://www.imwithfred.com)
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To: blam
What does that cost, blam?
42 posted on 06/11/2007 3:53:12 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Fudd Fan

Which brings to my mind the question of why the Pilgrims get all the attention. Was it because my 8th great-grandfather wrote that book about Plymouth Plantation and was the Governor? Huh?


43 posted on 06/11/2007 3:57:08 PM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: colorado tanker
"What does that cost, blam?"

$107.50 each. Go here for details.

My whole family has done it and now my 'extended' family has begun too.

44 posted on 06/11/2007 4:05:06 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Thanks, blam. I’m putting that down on my birthday wish list.
45 posted on 06/11/2007 4:14:41 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: blam

http://www.baiki.org/content/exhibit/exhbt_home.htm

http://www.baiki.org/content/exhibit/pix_women.htm

Maybe?


46 posted on 06/11/2007 5:32:37 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: blam

Fascinating, thanks for the link. It seems (from the website) as though they don’t really tell you anything about your ancestry in the past 1000 years, though? Is that right? I’m thinking about doing it, but I find little interest (personally) in knowing about such distant ancestry many many thousands of years ago, I’d be far more interested in knowing about my genetic links to peoples living in the past 1000 years, maybe up to 2000 years (much is known about my mother’s genealogy back to 1635, but almost nothing is known to our family (yet) about my father’s genealogy before 1880). It sounds like this project doesn’t deal with recent generations but only with thousands of years ago? Thanks for any info.


47 posted on 06/11/2007 5:39:57 PM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: Fred Nerks; muawiyah
"Maybe?"

Don't know...interesting site though.

48 posted on 06/11/2007 5:53:38 PM PDT by blam
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To: Hegemony Cricket; colorado tanker; blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
Thanks Hegemony Cricket and colorado tanker for the pings.

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49 posted on 06/11/2007 9:23:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 8, 2007.)
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To: Enchante
"Fascinating, thanks for the link. It seems (from the website) as though they don’t really tell you anything about your ancestry in the past 1000 years, though?"

Yup, it's old, old, old stuff. Now, they do have a FamilyTreeDNA section where people are using their DNA and surnames to find each other but, I haven't utilized that option and don't know much about it. I did peek once and they seem to be having a grand ol time over there, lol. You may like that part.

50 posted on 06/11/2007 9:44:54 PM PDT by blam
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