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Unreported from the Bloomberg poll: THOMPSON Leads among GOP; USA HATES 'Rat Congress!
LA Times ^ | Dangus, from

Posted on 06/11/2007 9:23:15 PM PDT by dangus

The Los Angeles Times article about the Bloomberg poll it sponsored highlighted the fact that Fred Thompson is only six points behind Rudy Giuliani in the race for the Republican presidential nomination. For those watching the nomination polls, that's encouraging but hardly shocking. But many other poll results are downright surprising.

For instance, the LA Times treats Republican-leaning independents as Republican primary voters, as if the rest of the nation followed California's relatively unique system of open primaries. But Giuliani leads among independents, 31-17. The category “Conservative Republicans” seems to track very closely to an estimate of the results of removing these independents from the pool of “Republican Primary Voters.” And Fred Thompson is leading among those voters, 26-24.

The real shocker from the poll is for John McCain. Late last year, McCain polled consistently in the range of 26-30%, good enough for 1st or 2nd place. He scored as high as 30% as late as January according to Time (when he led Giuliani, 30-26%), and as late as March according to ARG. The LA Times/Bloomberg poll shows McCain getting only 12% of the vote, even including “leaners.” On the other hand, a whopping 22% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents would never vote for McCain.

Mitt Romney mustn't be pleased with only 10%, but he tends to score higher in polls that report only the most politically active respondents.

The poll results must also please Gingrich. He only gets 9% of the responses, but he's declared he's not even likely to run. What must be pleasing pleasing is that only 9% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents would definitely not vote for him. And 46% of Americans approve of the job Gingrich, once a bete noir of politics, did as Speaker, while only 34% disapproved. In comparison, only 36% approve of Nancy Pelosi's performance, while 39% disapprove, 23% strongly so.

Republicans must take heart in this: Only 27% approve of the new Congress' performance, while 65% disapprove.

On the Democratic side, Hillary seems unstoppable. Among Democrats, she gets 40%, compared to Obama's 21%, Gore's 18%, Edward's 10%, Biden's 4% and Richardson's 1%. (Obama does better when Independents are included.

That's great news for Republicans, since she gets beaten by Giuliani (49-39), McCain (45-41), and even Romney (43-41), who suffers badly due to poor name recognition against all other candidates. McCain beats Edwards, 45-40, but Giuliani loses, 46-43, and Romney gets blown away, 46-32.

Source: http://www.latimes.com/media/acrobat/2007-06/30445335.pdf


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1 posted on 06/11/2007 9:23:18 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
“Republican Primary Voters.” And Fred Thompson is leading among those voters, 26-24.

As the mainstream media pooh pooh's Fred, Fred is going to take control of the nomination. The MSM does not even know what is going to hit them.

2 posted on 06/11/2007 9:26:35 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: dangus

I find it hard to believe that Edwards beats Giuliani and Romney.


3 posted on 06/11/2007 9:32:42 PM PDT by no dems (Dear God, how much longer are you going to let Robert Byrd and Ted Kennedy live?)
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To: no dems
I find it hard to believe that Edwards beats Giuliani and Romney.

Fewer negatives. That'll be fixed before the election. Edwards vs Romney would be slick vs slick.

4 posted on 06/11/2007 9:49:33 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Politicalmom; jellybean

Ping! You’re gonna love this one!


5 posted on 06/11/2007 9:50:21 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: lesser_satan

I SO want to see the Silky Pony try to beat the Tennessee War Horse.


6 posted on 06/11/2007 9:51:28 PM PDT by Politicalmom (No self-respecting group bent on world domination would invite Angelina Jolie to be a member.)
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To: dangus

The key question is, where is Hillary gonna be from during the general election? The South (Arkansas),
the North (New York), or the Midwest (Illinois).


7 posted on 06/11/2007 9:53:14 PM PDT by pangaea6
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To: no dems

“I find it hard to believe that Edwards beats Giuliani and Romney.”

The Republican “brand” is badly damaged. Some rightly and some wrongly.

It is burdened by unpopular Iraq situation, corrpution, government ineptness, etc. I’m sure immigration plays a role, too.

GWB is unpopular, which extends to all Republicans. His situation is further damaged by his communication weaknesses.

He has done a lousy job of impacting opinion about the positives—economy, our safety from further islamic attacks, etc.

For GWB the good news is he got a 2nd term. The other news is he squandered it much like his Dad.


8 posted on 06/11/2007 10:08:17 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker

You’re exactly right . We could put up the best candidate ever, but when Bush gets done pushing the party over the cliff with this immigration bill, it won’t matter who we put up. The base will most assuredly sit it out after this immigration mess, and it will trickle down to the congessional elections as well . We are in for some rough times....


9 posted on 06/11/2007 10:29:24 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (No bill is better than a bill legalizing 12 to 20 million new Dims ......)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

Just say NO to Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


10 posted on 06/11/2007 10:41:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We won’t let up on this . This is a wake up call that some Republicans can count on being defeated in their primaries . RINO PURGE V.2 !


11 posted on 06/11/2007 10:48:25 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (No bill is better than a bill legalizing 12 to 20 million new Dims ......)
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To: Always Right

“As the mainstream media pooh pooh’s Fred, Fred is going to take control of the nomination. The MSM does not even know what is going to hit them.”

Good...the less they know, the better.

Stealth Fred.


12 posted on 06/11/2007 11:16:06 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Fred Thompson....IMWITHFRED.COM)
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To: Neu Pragmatist
The base will most assuredly sit it out after this immigration mess, and it will trickle down to the congessional elections as well .

If they do that then they are STOOPID and they deserve the socialism they'll get from Her Heinous and the Democrat Congress, not to mention the ultra-libs like Lawrence Tribe who will finally have the chance to make it to the Supremes.

We are in for some rough times....

Indeed

13 posted on 06/11/2007 11:18:40 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

Well i’ve never been one for sitting it out , but that’s where we’re headed .
Our only remedy is a RINO PURGE V.2 We need to make sure we have real Conservatives running in the ‘08 elections by voting out these current sellouts in the primaries . We will also need a movement Conservative heading up the ticket . That is our only recipe for success as long as we can beat this immigration bill back again .


14 posted on 06/11/2007 11:40:42 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (No bill is better than a bill legalizing 12 to 20 million new Dims ......)
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To: pangaea6

Wherever Bill decides to plant his roots?


15 posted on 06/11/2007 11:47:34 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: Neu Pragmatist

I doubt the base will stay home in a wide open election. Too much is at stake.


16 posted on 06/11/2007 11:48:42 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: gpapa

I’ve always been quite motivated and very active , but I must say , i’ve never felt so out of touch with the party as I do now. I’ve never seen the party so actively fight the base as they are doing now . It’s very disturbing.

I worked liked crazy in the last election . I could easily see that many of the grassroots folks were sitting it out and the election results confirmed that fact.
If we don’t turnout in the primaries to defeat these RINO’s in ‘08 , than I don’t think we stand a chance in the general election regarding the congressional races .


17 posted on 06/12/2007 12:04:54 AM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (No bill is better than a bill legalizing 12 to 20 million new Dims ......)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

Amen. I am done voting for the lesser of two evils. No more RINOs.


18 posted on 06/12/2007 12:12:12 AM PDT by gpapa
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To: Politicalmom
I SO want to see the Silky Pony try to beat the Tennessee War Horse.

Heh.

19 posted on 06/12/2007 12:46:15 AM PDT by Shelayne (I will continue to pray for President Bush and my country, as I am commanded to do by my Lord.)
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To: dangus

A quick summary:

Fred Thompson is going to win this thing
John McCain is done. His campaign will be over by September
Rudy Giuliani will soldier on with all his money until after the big primaries in January
Mitt Romney is going to roll the dice and gamble for a Donk victory, and figure to run in 2012
The Donks are going to be so unpopular by 2008 that Fred Thompson will win the White House


20 posted on 06/12/2007 2:22:50 AM PDT by jebeier (Never ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. But is stupidity sufficient?)
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To: truth_seeker
The Republican “brand” is badly damaged. Some rightly and some wrongly. It is burdened by unpopular Iraq situation, corrpution, government ineptness, etc. I’m sure immigration plays a role, too. GWB is unpopular, which extends to all Republicans. His situation is further damaged by his communication weaknesses. He has done a lousy job of impacting opinion about the positives—economy, our safety from further islamic attacks, etc. For GWB the good news is he got a 2nd term. The other news is he squandered it much like his Dad.

You're right.

21 posted on 06/12/2007 2:24:08 AM PDT by backhoe (Fred Thompson- because No Other will Do...)
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To: jebeier

One more thing:
Newt Gingrich is going to hang around the fringes in order to jump in if Fred Thompson stumbles. Fred won’t, so Gingrich is going to stay out of it. Who wants to lie down in front of that freight train? He’ll start thinking about 2012, as well.


22 posted on 06/12/2007 2:24:32 AM PDT by jebeier (Never ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. But is stupidity sufficient?)
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To: Politicalmom

CNN’s village idiot Jack Cafferty on Fred Thompson:

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23 posted on 06/12/2007 2:28:29 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: dangus

Hillary, once she wins the Nomination, needs only to carry the states the Gore and Kerry won and 1 other... ANY one other... Like say the newly Democratic state of Ohio. She does not need to worry about winning even a majority of votes if she holds and has +1 state.

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THAT !!

Oh, and FYI... Wishy Washy Bush Like Republicans cannot win in Ohio... at least not til those poor saps come to their senses again... say 2012-ish ?


24 posted on 06/12/2007 2:31:25 AM PDT by RachelFaith
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To: dangus

“......USA HATES ‘Rat Congress!”

Just who does the USA think elected the “Rat Congress?

Hint: It was the USA that elected them. Also what you sow, you also reap.

Could it be that in June ‘07 teaching the Republicans a lesson and sending President Bush a message in November ‘06 is not nearly as funny now as it was then?

Either way USA the Rat Congress is not nearly through with you.


25 posted on 06/12/2007 2:33:59 AM PDT by sport
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To: dangus

“Hillary seems unstoppable. Among Democrats, she gets 40%, compared to Obama’s 21%, Gore’s 18%, Edward’s 10%, Biden’s 4% and Richardson’s 1%.”

On the other hand, 54% of rats are not voting for Hillary. If Hillary is the rat nominee, she’ll have trouble getting 40% of the vote in the general election. People just aren’t ready for a candidate who quotes Joseph Stalin, speaks black church rap and practices proctology to discern the mood of the voters.


26 posted on 06/12/2007 4:09:56 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Give Hillary a 50 coupon for Betty Crocker's devils food mix & tell her to go home and bake a cake)
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To: truth_seeker

I’m in total agreement with what you said; 100%. I could add more to it but no need to do so.
I agree with the premise but.......John Edwards? Especially when Hillary doesn’t beat them in the poll, how can John Edwards?


27 posted on 06/12/2007 5:25:16 AM PDT by no dems (Dear God, how much longer are you going to let Robert Byrd and Ted Kennedy live?)
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To: Neu Pragmatist; truth_seeker

I’m going to try to offer to both of you some encouragement.

Let’s not forget: Lyndon Johnson was a most despised President because of Viet Nam. There were riots at the ‘68 Dem Convention in Chicago. AND YET, Hubert Humphrey, LBJ’s VEEP almost won the ‘68 election. The ONLY REASON he lost was because of the votes siphoned off by George Wallace.

Also, people despised Nixon, who resigned the Presidency over Watergate, and were madder than an old wet hen because Ford pardoned him. YET, Ford almost won over Jimmy Carter. Analyst say that had the campaign lasted one more week, Ford would have pulled it off.


28 posted on 06/12/2007 5:36:20 AM PDT by no dems (Dear God, how much longer are you going to let Robert Byrd and Ted Kennedy live?)
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To: sport

>> Could it be that in June ‘07 teaching the Republicans a lesson and sending President Bush a message in November ‘06 is not nearly as funny now as it was then? <<

I’ll admit I was very concerned when the GOP lost Congress in ‘06. But I’m feeling much better now. :^D

You don’t win in politics by controlling the ball the most, you win by scoring touchdowns. Naturally, it’s hard to score if you don’t have the ball, but from ‘01 to ‘06, the Bush administration had been racking up nothing but safeties.


29 posted on 06/12/2007 8:00:30 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: no dems

Better example: Jacques Chirac was the most hated man in France, with approval ratings in the single digits. Nicolas Sarkozy just led the same party to enormous supermajorities.


30 posted on 06/12/2007 8:02:33 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: RachelFaith

Or, in other words: if she wins the nomination, she’ll need to win EVERY state Kerry won, and still win more. 1 more? Only if it’s a megastate. Kerry was 18 short. Clinton could pick up New Mexico, Nevada, and Iowa and still fall short.


31 posted on 06/12/2007 8:08:27 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: no dems

You can have a bet that more than half of America doesn’t even know who Edwards is and think it is some unknown Dem guy and hence the polls say he is popular than Rudy or Fred. It is just a outlier and a misleading poll as it is unlikely a one term below average Senator is that popular.

When paired against known Dems like Hillary and Obama, Repubs like Rudy and Mccain win and this shows on a Presidential election the repub front runners have better favourability ratings.


32 posted on 06/12/2007 8:14:50 AM PDT by GregH
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To: pangaea6

>> The key question is, where is Hillary gonna be from during the general election? The South (Arkansas), the North (New York), or the Midwest (Illinois). <<

Don’t forget: she gets all her support from the West (Hollywood, California).


33 posted on 06/12/2007 8:24:00 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: no dems

What you are suggesting is the Republican candidate may lose by a surprisingly close margin, like Humphrey and Ford.

Those are good races, for comparison sake.


34 posted on 06/12/2007 10:45:45 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: ModelBreaker
Fewer negatives. That'll be fixed before the election. Edwards vs Romney would be slick vs slick.

I'm willing to wager that Romney has never paid 400 bucks for a haircut.

35 posted on 06/12/2007 10:48:16 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Fred 2008)
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To: NeoCaveman
I'm willing to wager that Romney has never paid 400 bucks for a haircut.

He looks pretty coiffed. At a minimum, he uses a hairdresser and hairspray or gel--not a barber and water.

36 posted on 06/12/2007 11:04:49 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

It’s darn well maintained hair, he just wouldn’t part with 400 bucks over it. He’s notoriously frugal.


37 posted on 06/12/2007 11:24:28 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Fred 2008)
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To: dangus

Please don’t take my words out picking anc choosing which ones to make some inane point.

I clearly said GORE and Kerry... noting that some states favored Gore..

I also noted OHIO as the key state in contention.

That is the point. The GOP MUST CARRY OHIO... and I do not think that we can if we nominate a wishy washy Republican.

Now, if you care, address THAT point.

= )


38 posted on 06/12/2007 11:58:19 AM PDT by RachelFaith
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To: RachelFaith

>> I also noted OHIO as the key state in contention. <<

You said “She does not need to worry about winning even a majority of votes if she holds and has +1 state.” My point was that “holding” was no light task. If she wins Ohio, but looses even tiny New Hampshire, she loses. You sound like you’re ready to surrender defeat! Talk about “inane points!”

Incidentally, “the states Kerry and Gore won” means “every state carried by both Kerry and Gore,” not “every state carried by Kerry OR Gore.”


39 posted on 06/12/2007 12:10:40 PM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: truth_seeker

No; I was telling those guys not to give up just because the GOP has an unpopular Prez at this time. That is not the death knell for the GOP candidate in ‘08. Dubya’s negatives can be overcome and we can still win the White House in ‘08.


40 posted on 06/12/2007 3:19:46 PM PDT by no dems (FOX News: Drop that toe-sucking Dick Morris!!! His prediction track record is abysmal.)
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