Skip to comments.A fatwa free-for-all in the Islamic world
Posted on 06/12/2007 10:58:22 AM PDT by siunevada
CAIRO: First came the breast-feeding fatwa: It declared that the Islamic restriction on unmarried men and women being together could be lifted at work if the woman breast-fed her male colleagues five times. Then came the urine fatwa: It said that drinking the urine of the Prophet Muhammad was deemed a blessing.
For the past few weeks, the breast-feeding and urine fatwas have proved a source of national embarrassment in Egypt, not least because they were issued by representatives of the highest religious authorities in the land.
"We were very angered when we heard about the Danish cartoons concerning our Prophet," ..... "However, these two fatwas are harming our Islamic religion and our Prophet more than the cartoons."
For many Muslims, fatwas, or religious edicts, are the bridge between the principles of their faith and modern life. They are supposed to be issued by religious scholars who look to the Koran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad for guidance.
While the more sensational pronouncements grab attention, the bulk of the fatwas involve the routine of daily life. In Egypt alone, thousands are issued every month.
The controversy in Cairo has been more than just embarrassing. It comes at a time when religious and political leaders say there is a crisis in Islam because too many fatwas are being issued and many rely on ideology more than learning.
Technically, the fatwa is nonbinding and recipients are free to shop around for a better ruling. In a faith with no central doctrinal authority, there has been an explosion of places offering fatwas, ....
"There is chaos now," Megawer said. "The problem created is confusion in thought, confusion about what is right and what is wrong religiously."
(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...
These ‘fatwas’ show just how looney Islamics are.
I thought at first this was Scrappleface.
This is news? That's the way these nutbags have been for the last 2k years....
I guess their ‘truth’ depends on the teller...
Ping for later
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These fatwa’s remind me of the “Bewitched” TV show... all these incompetent witches casting spells that only they can cancel. It’s quite funny.
e.g. "horse" "woman" "toothpaste" gives you "It is forbidden for a horse and a woman to share the same package of toothpaste."
Seriously though, the terrorists/jihadists/hirabahists use “fatwa shopping” as a way to “justify” their garbage. Al Sadr in Iraq is not even a cleric yet he issues “fatwas” and his minions follow him. The same is true all over. One cleric says “terrorism is wrong” and another three say “terrorism is jihad, slay the apostate!” and the first cleric is killed (no matter what his station in Islam).
Really, the Imams need to drop the “Danish Cartoon” childishness. These cartoons are NOTHING compared to what the Christian religion goes through. But then, it is easy for the anti-Christians to make cartoons, religious jokes, and put a Cross in urine as Christians will not burn down city blocks in rage, Muslims WILL.
To paraphrase a line from Star Wars.
“Sir, nobody cares about upsetting a Christian.”
“That’s because Christians will not cut your head off. Islamists are known to do that.”
truth is what I can get you to believe
So did I.
You can’t make up something this funny. The “five times a day” thing just had me howling. Imagine a world where the multicultural feminists got what they wanted: the end of white male patriarchy, and the installation of the Islamic Dhimmitude, (thanks to the end of the white male patriarchy): In this world, if a self-actualizing feminist wanted to work, she’s be getting quite the initiation at any workplace where there’s more than one man.
“Hooters for all the guys! Five times a day!”
Can you imagine the look in the faces of all those bureaucrats in HR departments all over the country?
What should be required reading and understanding for all who are laughing, tho, is this quote from the guy who issued the fatwa:
“Atiya had said he had drawn on medieval scholarship to justify his position.”
Right there is a deadly serious piece of what everyone needs to know about Islam.
Please don’t post something about young single Islamic women breastfeeding their colleagues without pictures.
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As silly as this seems, I gotta' give kudos to the guy who first asked the question.
I wonder what the Imams would say about pork if pigs regularly strapped bombs on themselves to blow up Israeli schoolchildren.
Just curious...would Prophetic Urine have to be advertised as used merchandise? Can we get a fatwa on this? Thanks.
Yeh, that’s right. Cover your head for “modesty”, then go to work and rip off your blouse to breastfeed your co-workers. Works for me!
It’s loony for sure, but no loonier than some of the pronouncements by ultra-Orthodox Jewish rabbis. A few years back some rabbi representing the Cohanim (hereditary Jewish priesthood, i.e. “Cohen”) announced that it had been determined that the prohibition on Cohanim walking through graveyards meant they also couldn’t fly in an airplane that flew directly above a graveyard, and asked El Al to change its flight paths accordingly. El resisted, so some of the loony-bins went back to their scriptures and came to the brilliant conclusion that it would be permissible for them to fly in airplanes directly over graveyards if they were securedly zipped into body bags during that portion of the flight. So they informed El Al that at the appropriate times during flights, they would be getting out their body bags and climbing into them and zipping themselves in. El Al, to its credit, told them where they could stuff that idea (and some of the loony-bins found reasons why this plan wouldn’t satisfy their religious requirements anyway). Last I heard, El Al had caved, and re-routed some flight paths.
The cohanim also have issues with hospitals, roads, museums, and just about everything else, and have demanded accommodations including architectural changes and special signage. Muslims don’t have a corner on loonyism, especially in that part of the world.
And don’t miss this insightful explanation of the urgent need for pregnant women (not just of the cohanim families, but all followers of this particular brand of loonyism) not to come into contact with finger or toe nail clippings (excerpt: “Before Adam sinned, he was entirely covered by a protective nail-like substance. After sinning, he lost it and all that remained were the fingernails. Since Woman caused this loss of these “nails”, she is disposed to be punished through nails.”)
I'm having trouble grasping the practical implications of this one. I mean, he's dead, right? So where is anybody going to get the necessary substance for this "blessing"?
That’s a great idea!
Oh, good heavens. There’s nothing in the Hebrew scriptures that would support such lunacy.
A new poll of Palestinians revealed that 51% support the rocket attacks on Israel even though 66% say the attacks provide no real benefit to the Palestinians. Its a matter of pride, explained poll respondent Yusef Ashat. Pursuing benefits is the way of the Jew. We are not like that. It is better that no one benefits than that one Jew should enjoy a moments respite on the path to his extermination.
I’m sure if you dig around the obscure depths of the Talmud and Kabbalah, you can find the scriptural “basis” for this lunacy. Whether it’s crazy Muslims or crazy Jews, it’s really the same bizarre ultra-literalism, with tortured interpretations and applications, that lead to patently absurd conclusions whose absurdity is simply dismissed as irrelevant. Another winner is that in the very Orthodox interpretations of Judaism, if your wife and mother of your children is raped, you have to throw her out of the house permanently. Lovely.
I’m not anti-Jewish, but don’t like the hypocrisy of pointing to outlandish beliefs and practices of certain segments of the Muslim population and asserting these as evidence that all Muslims are uncivilized lunatics, while giving ultra-Orthodox Jews a free pass by politely neglecting to mention their comparable beliefs and practices.
So it’s obvious you know nothing about Islam.
Anyone can chime in with the “brave” and “bold” “all religions are equally absurd” nonsense... but that just means you know equally nothing about any of them.
Thanks for playing.
Chaos within Islam? Whooda thunk it? < /sarcasm>
I wouldn’t necessarily draw a parallel between a fatwa and an indulgence. An indulgence is more along the lines of a quid pro quo, and both parties are generally happy with the outcome.
Fatwas seem to be more along the lines of a “Dear Achmed” advice column or call in show. When anyone and everyone can be an authority, no one is an authority.
This decentralization of authority seems to spawn some very strange crackpot groups and ideas, which has probably contributed to the tribal “us vs. them” mentality you see all over the Middle East.
One can say “all religions are the same”...but one cannot say all adherents of all religions act the same.
Fact is, if someone blew up a bus today, the chance he/she was a Muslim is almost 100%.
And please don’t try to equivocate by telling me this or that abortion clinic bomber was a Christian, because no Christian leaders/movements/churches defend this type of behavior.
When a Muslim commits Jihad, all you hear from the Muslims is how he was either justified or framed (but either way, we “had it coming”).
There is a substantial difference here - I have never seen Orthodox Jews sawing someone's head off while chanting Yahweh is Great.
Muslims engage in fartwar world-wide!
No, they’re not the same, though the present-day violent tendencies of a big chunk of the Muslims world probably have more to do with politics than religion. And a few hundred years ago, a substantial of chunk of the Christian world was engaging in barbaric practices, both within its own societies and on “crusades” to non-Christian lands. Again, I don’t think the specifics of Christian theology are to blame. When people are inclined towards barbarism and live in a culture which claims any ancient scriptures as the ultimate truth and law, they’ll have no trouble finding justification for barbarism in their scriptures. But absurd religion-based beliefs and practices such as those cited in this article are certainly not unique to Islam (or to Islam and Judaism), and are therefore not valid evidence of Islam being somehow uniquely uncivilized. The breast-feeding thing is just a laughable indication of the subconscious yearnings of that particular fatwa-issuer.
Mohammed the Founder of Islam was involved in 22 battles.
Islam was spread by the sword from the very beginning, and never really ceased.
Peruse Jihadwatch.com, they document how Jihad is part of Muslim theology.
Politics and religion are one and the same in the "muslim world. No separation of church and state.
Are you standing in for US Admirer?
Which Star Wars?
That is because in sophisticated circles, it is referred to as the Golden fatwa. ;-)
I’ve a fatwa, she’s a fatwa, he’s a fatwa, we’ve a fatwa, wouldn’t you like to have a fatwa, too?
Don’t try to confuse the worshipers of Mohammed.
It’s already been done.
Let’s do the wrong thing because it feels good?
How does one fight people who think like that?
“A New Hope” in the Falcon when Artoo is beating Chewie at “chess”.
I just changed the lines a little.
I am sure some Islamic apologist/appeaser/dhimmi will order me to seek out “brilliant” Imam (with a tundra temperature IQ) so he can tell me what to think so I, the Kuffer (infidel), can “understand” (be silenced).
For the common people I think that’s probably true for the most part. However, I strongly suspect that many if not most of the leaders behind these violent movements are motivated exclusively by politics. Saddam Hussein was paying off the families of suicide bombers in order to encourage more people to become suicide bombers. Did the suicide bombers believe they’d also be getting goodies in Paradise as a reward? Most probably did. Did Saddam believe that? I seriously doubt it. For Saddam it was all about power, politics, and money, and manipulating the confused religious beliefs of many people in this part of the world was just a convenient means to achieve his utterly secular objectives.
Saddam is now irrelevant
Islam is irrelevant.