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A fatwa free-for-all in the Islamic world
International Herald Tribune ^ | June 11, 2007 | Michael Slackman

Posted on 06/12/2007 10:58:22 AM PDT by siunevada

CAIRO: First came the breast-feeding fatwa: It declared that the Islamic restriction on unmarried men and women being together could be lifted at work if the woman breast-fed her male colleagues five times. Then came the urine fatwa: It said that drinking the urine of the Prophet Muhammad was deemed a blessing.

For the past few weeks, the breast-feeding and urine fatwas have proved a source of national embarrassment in Egypt, not least because they were issued by representatives of the highest religious authorities in the land.

"We were very angered when we heard about the Danish cartoons concerning our Prophet," ..... "However, these two fatwas are harming our Islamic religion and our Prophet more than the cartoons."

For many Muslims, fatwas, or religious edicts, are the bridge between the principles of their faith and modern life. They are supposed to be issued by religious scholars who look to the Koran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad for guidance.

While the more sensational pronouncements grab attention, the bulk of the fatwas involve the routine of daily life. In Egypt alone, thousands are issued every month.

The controversy in Cairo has been more than just embarrassing. It comes at a time when religious and political leaders say there is a crisis in Islam because too many fatwas are being issued and many rely on ideology more than learning.

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Technically, the fatwa is nonbinding and recipients are free to shop around for a better ruling. In a faith with no central doctrinal authority, there has been an explosion of places offering fatwas, ....

"There is chaos now," Megawer said. "The problem created is confusion in thought, confusion about what is right and what is wrong religiously."

(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: islam; muhammadsminions

1 posted on 06/12/2007 10:58:24 AM PDT by siunevada
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To: siunevada

These ‘fatwas’ show just how looney Islamics are.


2 posted on 06/12/2007 11:00:02 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: siunevada

I thought at first this was Scrappleface.


3 posted on 06/12/2007 11:02:11 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: siunevada
Re: Technically, the fatwa is nonbinding and recipients are free to shop around for a better ruling Ah, that's nice.
4 posted on 06/12/2007 11:04:21 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: siunevada
"The problem created is confusion in thought, confusion about what is right and what is wrong religiously."

This is news? That's the way these nutbags have been for the last 2k years....

5 posted on 06/12/2007 11:04:39 AM PDT by kromike
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To: siunevada

I guess their ‘truth’ depends on the teller...


6 posted on 06/12/2007 11:06:08 AM PDT by BigFinn (islam= a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories.)
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To: siunevada

Ping for later


7 posted on 06/12/2007 11:08:09 AM PDT by PubliusMM (Just doin' my best to stay free and secure. God Bless our military personnel.)
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To: siunevada

“Crazy Mahmoud’s Fatwa Shoppe” has a staff waiting, 24 hours a day seven days a week, for your fatwa needs, inshallah!

}:-)4


8 posted on 06/12/2007 11:08:21 AM PDT by Moose4 (Effing the ineffable since 1966.)
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To: siunevada
Ok, I want all the unmarried hot young sexy girls here at work to breastfeed me five time each. You know, to keep me from thinking lustful thoughts. It’s for the best...
9 posted on 06/12/2007 11:11:16 AM PDT by picard (Beam me up...)
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To: siunevada

These fatwa’s remind me of the “Bewitched” TV show... all these incompetent witches casting spells that only they can cancel. It’s quite funny.


10 posted on 06/12/2007 11:13:24 AM PDT by pacelvi
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To: kromike

1,400 years.


11 posted on 06/12/2007 11:14:32 AM PDT by pacelvi
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To: siunevada
i wonder if I could set up a website with a Web form where you fill in a few words, and then it spits out a fatwa, sort of like Islamic Mad-Libs.

e.g. "horse" "woman" "toothpaste" gives you "It is forbidden for a horse and a woman to share the same package of toothpaste."

12 posted on 06/12/2007 11:15:33 AM PDT by ikka
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To: siunevada
Didn’t hear about the urine fatwa... And my life was happier because of it. Now I am left wondering how this is logically possible. Oh, wait, knowing the Middle East, there will be “urine merchants” pushing this stuff at mosques and people there will actually believe it is real. Destined to become the Islamic world’s “Snake Oil”.

Seriously though, the terrorists/jihadists/hirabahists use “fatwa shopping” as a way to “justify” their garbage. Al Sadr in Iraq is not even a cleric yet he issues “fatwas” and his minions follow him. The same is true all over. One cleric says “terrorism is wrong” and another three say “terrorism is jihad, slay the apostate!” and the first cleric is killed (no matter what his station in Islam).

Really, the Imams need to drop the “Danish Cartoon” childishness. These cartoons are NOTHING compared to what the Christian religion goes through. But then, it is easy for the anti-Christians to make cartoons, religious jokes, and put a Cross in urine as Christians will not burn down city blocks in rage, Muslims WILL.

To paraphrase a line from Star Wars.

“Sir, nobody cares about upsetting a Christian.”

“That’s because Christians will not cut your head off. Islamists are known to do that.”

13 posted on 06/12/2007 11:16:50 AM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: BigFinn

truth is what I can get you to believe


14 posted on 06/12/2007 11:18:03 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: siunevada
there has been an explosion of places offering fatwas

Ah, the Muslim version of the Catholic indulgences.
15 posted on 06/12/2007 11:21:14 AM PDT by BJClinton (Jimmy Carter: the Renaissance Man of incompetence)
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To: 3AngelaD

So did I.

You can’t make up something this funny. The “five times a day” thing just had me howling. Imagine a world where the multicultural feminists got what they wanted: the end of white male patriarchy, and the installation of the Islamic Dhimmitude, (thanks to the end of the white male patriarchy): In this world, if a self-actualizing feminist wanted to work, she’s be getting quite the initiation at any workplace where there’s more than one man.

“Hooters for all the guys! Five times a day!”

Can you imagine the look in the faces of all those bureaucrats in HR departments all over the country?

What should be required reading and understanding for all who are laughing, tho, is this quote from the guy who issued the fatwa:

“Atiya had said he had drawn on medieval scholarship to justify his position.”

Right there is a deadly serious piece of what everyone needs to know about Islam.


16 posted on 06/12/2007 11:21:43 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: siunevada

Please don’t post something about young single Islamic women breastfeeding their colleagues without pictures.


17 posted on 06/12/2007 11:30:13 AM PDT by Waverunner ( "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." Voltaire)
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To: siunevada

A new business opportunity:

The Fatwa Shoppe.

For all your Islamic needs.


18 posted on 06/12/2007 11:38:42 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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To: siunevada
Then came the urine fatwa: It said that drinking the urine of the Prophet Muhammad was deemed a blessing.

As silly as this seems, I gotta' give kudos to the guy who first asked the question.

I wonder what the Imams would say about pork if pigs regularly strapped bombs on themselves to blow up Israeli schoolchildren.

19 posted on 06/12/2007 11:40:46 AM PDT by Smedley (It's a sad day for American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park)
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To: Ouderkirk

Just curious...would Prophetic Urine have to be advertised as used merchandise? Can we get a fatwa on this? Thanks.


20 posted on 06/12/2007 11:43:35 AM PDT by Clioman
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To: siunevada

Yeh, that’s right. Cover your head for “modesty”, then go to work and rip off your blouse to breastfeed your co-workers. Works for me!


21 posted on 06/12/2007 11:55:07 AM PDT by 1st-P-In-The-Pod
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To: siunevada; MEGoody

It’s loony for sure, but no loonier than some of the pronouncements by ultra-Orthodox Jewish rabbis. A few years back some rabbi representing the Cohanim (hereditary Jewish priesthood, i.e. “Cohen”) announced that it had been determined that the prohibition on Cohanim walking through graveyards meant they also couldn’t fly in an airplane that flew directly above a graveyard, and asked El Al to change its flight paths accordingly. El resisted, so some of the loony-bins went back to their scriptures and came to the brilliant conclusion that it would be permissible for them to fly in airplanes directly over graveyards if they were securedly zipped into body bags during that portion of the flight. So they informed El Al that at the appropriate times during flights, they would be getting out their body bags and climbing into them and zipping themselves in. El Al, to its credit, told them where they could stuff that idea (and some of the loony-bins found reasons why this plan wouldn’t satisfy their religious requirements anyway). Last I heard, El Al had caved, and re-routed some flight paths.
http://www.jewishmediaresources.com/ncarticle/247/
http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5762/vaera/VE62abengrion.htm

The cohanim also have issues with hospitals, roads, museums, and just about everything else, and have demanded accommodations including architectural changes and special signage. Muslims don’t have a corner on loonyism, especially in that part of the world.
http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5766/KRH66features.htm

And don’t miss this insightful explanation of the urgent need for pregnant women (not just of the cohanim families, but all followers of this particular brand of loonyism) not to come into contact with finger or toe nail clippings (excerpt: “Before Adam sinned, he was entirely covered by a protective nail-like substance. After sinning, he lost it and all that remained were the fingernails. Since Woman caused this loss of these “nails”, she is disposed to be punished through nails.”)
http://www.shemayisrael.com/pipermail/daf-discuss_shemayisrael.co.il/2007-January/001252.html


22 posted on 06/12/2007 12:03:23 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: siunevada
Then came the urine fatwa: It said that drinking the urine of the Prophet Muhammad was deemed a blessing.

I'm having trouble grasping the practical implications of this one. I mean, he's dead, right? So where is anybody going to get the necessary substance for this "blessing"?

23 posted on 06/12/2007 12:06:51 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: ikka

That’s a great idea!


24 posted on 06/12/2007 12:13:14 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Oh, good heavens. There’s nothing in the Hebrew scriptures that would support such lunacy.


25 posted on 06/12/2007 12:24:15 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: siunevada

A new poll of Palestinians revealed that 51% support the rocket attacks on Israel even though 66% say the attacks provide no real benefit to the Palestinians. “It’s a matter of pride,” explained poll respondent Yusef Ashat. “Pursuing benefits is the way of the Jew. We are not like that. It is better that no one benefits than that one Jew should enjoy a moment’s respite on the path to his extermination.”

read more...

http://www.azconservative.org/Semmens1.htm


26 posted on 06/12/2007 12:25:19 PM PDT by John Semmens
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To: siunevada

27 posted on 06/12/2007 12:26:23 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: MEGoody

I’m sure if you dig around the obscure depths of the Talmud and Kabbalah, you can find the scriptural “basis” for this lunacy. Whether it’s crazy Muslims or crazy Jews, it’s really the same bizarre ultra-literalism, with tortured interpretations and applications, that lead to patently absurd conclusions whose absurdity is simply dismissed as irrelevant. Another winner is that in the very Orthodox interpretations of Judaism, if your wife and mother of your children is raped, you have to throw her out of the house permanently. Lovely.

I’m not anti-Jewish, but don’t like the hypocrisy of pointing to outlandish beliefs and practices of certain segments of the Muslim population and asserting these as evidence that all Muslims are uncivilized lunatics, while giving ultra-Orthodox Jews a free pass by politely neglecting to mention their comparable beliefs and practices.


28 posted on 06/12/2007 12:36:25 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

So it’s obvious you know nothing about Islam.

Anyone can chime in with the “brave” and “bold” “all religions are equally absurd” nonsense... but that just means you know equally nothing about any of them.

Thanks for playing.


29 posted on 06/12/2007 12:57:56 PM PDT by pacelvi
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To: MEGoody
"There is chaos now," Megawer said. "The problem created is confusion in thought, confusion about what is right and what is wrong religiously."

Chaos within Islam? Whooda thunk it? < /sarcasm>

the infowarrior

30 posted on 06/12/2007 1:09:35 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: BJClinton

I wouldn’t necessarily draw a parallel between a fatwa and an indulgence. An indulgence is more along the lines of a quid pro quo, and both parties are generally happy with the outcome.

Fatwas seem to be more along the lines of a “Dear Achmed” advice column or call in show. When anyone and everyone can be an authority, no one is an authority.

This decentralization of authority seems to spawn some very strange crackpot groups and ideas, which has probably contributed to the tribal “us vs. them” mentality you see all over the Middle East.


31 posted on 06/12/2007 1:19:22 PM PDT by Crolis (Time to regroup, fellow conservatives!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

One can say “all religions are the same”...but one cannot say all adherents of all religions act the same.

Fact is, if someone blew up a bus today, the chance he/she was a Muslim is almost 100%.

And please don’t try to equivocate by telling me this or that abortion clinic bomber was a Christian, because no Christian leaders/movements/churches defend this type of behavior.

When a Muslim commits Jihad, all you hear from the Muslims is how he was either justified or framed (but either way, we “had it coming”).


32 posted on 06/12/2007 1:24:25 PM PDT by Brakeman
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I’m not anti-Jewish, but don’t like the hypocrisy of pointing to outlandish beliefs and practices of certain segments of the Muslim population and asserting these as evidence that all Muslims are uncivilized lunatics, while giving ultra-Orthodox Jews a free pass by politely neglecting to mention their comparable beliefs and practices.

There is a substantial difference here - I have never seen Orthodox Jews sawing someone's head off while chanting Yahweh is Great.

33 posted on 06/12/2007 1:34:06 PM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: siunevada

Muslims engage in fartwar world-wide!


34 posted on 06/12/2007 1:38:11 PM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: siunevada

35 posted on 06/12/2007 1:44:20 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (I'm Fred, White and Blue!)
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To: Tokra; Brakeman

No, they’re not the same, though the present-day violent tendencies of a big chunk of the Muslims world probably have more to do with politics than religion. And a few hundred years ago, a substantial of chunk of the Christian world was engaging in barbaric practices, both within its own societies and on “crusades” to non-Christian lands. Again, I don’t think the specifics of Christian theology are to blame. When people are inclined towards barbarism and live in a culture which claims any ancient scriptures as the ultimate truth and law, they’ll have no trouble finding justification for barbarism in their scriptures. But absurd religion-based beliefs and practices such as those cited in this article are certainly not unique to Islam (or to Islam and Judaism), and are therefore not valid evidence of Islam being somehow uniquely uncivilized. The breast-feeding thing is just a laughable indication of the subconscious yearnings of that particular fatwa-issuer.


36 posted on 06/12/2007 1:51:53 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Mohammed the Founder of Islam was involved in 22 battles.

Islam was spread by the sword from the very beginning, and never really ceased.

Peruse Jihadwatch.com, they document how Jihad is part of Muslim theology.


37 posted on 06/12/2007 2:24:45 PM PDT by Brakeman
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To: GovernmentShrinker
No, they’re not the same, though the present-day violent tendencies of a big chunk of the Muslims world probably have more to do with politics than religion

Politics and religion are one and the same in the "muslim world. No separation of church and state.

38 posted on 06/12/2007 4:49:06 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Are you standing in for US Admirer?


39 posted on 06/12/2007 4:52:01 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: M1Tanker

Which Star Wars?


40 posted on 06/12/2007 4:52:37 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: M1Tanker
"Didn’t hear about the urine fatwa... "

That is because in sophisticated circles, it is referred to as the Golden fatwa. ;-)

41 posted on 06/12/2007 4:54:16 PM PDT by verity (Muhammed and Harry Reid are Dirt Bags)
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To: Moose4

I’ve a fatwa, she’s a fatwa, he’s a fatwa, we’ve a fatwa, wouldn’t you like to have a fatwa, too?


42 posted on 06/12/2007 4:59:03 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: GovernmentShrinker
So where is anybody going to get the necessary substance for this “blessing”?

Don’t try to confuse the worshipers of Mohammed.

It’s already been done.

;-)

43 posted on 06/12/2007 4:59:26 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: John Semmens
51% support the rocket attacks on Israel even though 66% say the attacks provide no real benefit to the Palestinians.

Let’s do the wrong thing because it feels good?

How does one fight people who think like that?

44 posted on 06/12/2007 5:02:12 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

“A New Hope” in the Falcon when Artoo is beating Chewie at “chess”.

I just changed the lines a little.


45 posted on 06/12/2007 5:46:37 PM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: M1Tanker

Thanks.


46 posted on 06/12/2007 5:51:31 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: verity
Ohhh.. The “Golden Fatwa”. Somehow it does not seem to equate to the “Golden Rule”, but I cannot quite say (out loud) why. Just this feeling I have that Islam is a cult based on war, conquest, slavery, and deviance (for men only). I think this feeling comes from years of watching these fools kill every non-Islamic and Islamic who does not fit their view of “Muslim”. It might also come from the fact I have read the Koran and find it repulsive and disgusting. Maybe also that since going to Iraq, I have become even more disgusted with Islam.

I am sure some Islamic apologist/appeaser/dhimmi will order me to seek out “brilliant” Imam (with a tundra temperature IQ) so he can tell me what to think so I, the Kuffer (infidel), can “understand” (be silenced).

47 posted on 06/12/2007 5:55:55 PM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: rageaholic

For the common people I think that’s probably true for the most part. However, I strongly suspect that many if not most of the leaders behind these violent movements are motivated exclusively by politics. Saddam Hussein was paying off the families of suicide bombers in order to encourage more people to become suicide bombers. Did the suicide bombers believe they’d also be getting goodies in Paradise as a reward? Most probably did. Did Saddam believe that? I seriously doubt it. For Saddam it was all about power, politics, and money, and manipulating the confused religious beliefs of many people in this part of the world was just a convenient means to achieve his utterly secular objectives.


48 posted on 06/12/2007 9:58:30 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Saddam is now irrelevant


49 posted on 06/13/2007 4:17:37 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: rageaholic; GovernmentShrinker

Islam is irrelevant.


50 posted on 06/15/2007 10:27:18 PM PDT by John Frum
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