Bush calling for GOP showdown

MSNBC ^ | June 12, 2007 | Howard Fineman

[Politicalmom]

WASHINGTON - Though I’ve never heard him use the term, my guess is that George W. Bush sees himself as a hacendado, an estate owner in Old Mexico.

That would give him a sense of Southwestern noblesse, duty-bound not just to work “his” people, but to protect them as well.

His advisor, Carlo Rove, has explained that a system called “democracy” now gives peasants something called “the vote.” It would be shrewd, Rove said, for hacendados to grant their workers’ citizenship.

[Politicalmom]

I hate to say this, but I found this piece (MSNBC...*gulp*) to be pretty good.

[llevrok]

Bring it on, George!

[Incorrigible]

 

 

[IllumiNaughtyByNature]

Regulators, Mount up!

[Cicero]

He might live to regret such playground bravado. If you are president, the only thing worse than issuing a public threat to your own party is failing to make it stick.

Well, no. The worst thing would be to make it stick, and go down in history as the man who destroyed the Republican Party, destroyed his country, destroyed the rule of law and the Constitution, and made room for Hillary Clinton to complete the destruction.

[samadams2000]

Someone important...make THE CALL!

[HitmanLV]

Just our luck, he watched ‘High Noon’ last night before going to bed!

[The South Texan]

“Carlo Rove”

Howard, just call him Carlos Rove. The Architect of one of the poorest Presidential PR teams in the modern era.

[ex-snook]

“Bring ‘em on.”

[subterfuge]

If the article is good, why only post 3 sentences of it? Excerpts are allowed up to 300 words.

[Kakaze]

It infuriates Bush when people – in his own party, no less – are not grateful for what he sees as an act of heartfelt, enlightened generosity and foresighted management.

Enlightened generosity is a wonderful thing in moderation.

Just throwing the doors open and treating thieves as guest, doesn't do anything but make you quickly and completely destitute.

[bcsco]

He hopes (as he did as governor) to get credit for wisdom.

The only credit he'll get is for destroying the GOP and handing America over to those who don't give a damn about our history, culture, or laws.

But, I agree. It was a good article. I'm surprised it came from Howard Fineman.

[3AngelaD]

I've always thought Howard Fineman was a prize prat. And he proves it again:

"As always, conservatives, who thrive on alienation, are spoiling for a fight. Now they have found it. Among the branch of conservatism fixed on “Us v Them” thinking, the enemy for decades was Communism. After the fall of The Wall, the “neocons” found a replacement Them in jihadist Islam. The old America-Firsters – what we used to call “isolationists,” who distrust foreign commitments – now have a homeland Them, in the form of 12-20 million illegal immigrants, most from Mexico.

"The domestic neocons want a fence, a big and real one; they want illegals sent packing to the extent possible. Mostly they want leaders to express outrage and concern. And they aren’t a fringe; they form the core of the GOP. That is especially true in the South and parts of the Rustbelt, where the threat of being inundated by immigrants is less immediate, but the sense of estrangement from metropolitan, bi-coastal America great."

[Ancient Drive]

it’s Carlos Rovez si

[KarlInOhio]

Long ago, when he was running for governor, Bush told me that he was a “southwestern” Republican, not a “southern” one. As a son of the southwest, he wants employers to have access to all of that cheap labor, but wants to make the system more orderly, at least not cruel.

Uhhh... Isn't the Bush family at heart a bunch of Northeastern moderates? Much like the Kennedies, they will vacation various places and if the tax code and election likelihood are favorable they might claim residency.

[ConservativeDude]

The other day I saw a guy wearing a t shirt which I would like to wear to the White House.

It said, “Tu eres un pendejo.”

Then it offered this helpful “translation”: You are my friend.

GWB - Tu eres en pendejo.

[upchuck]

Here! Here!

BUMP!!

[gas0linealley]

Like father, like son:

“...read my lips!”

“I’ll see you at the bill signing.”

So nice of them to give their enemies a battle cry.

[rbosque]

WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS. WITHOUT LAWS WE SINK INTO ANARCHY. NO AMNESTY! CHARGE EMPLOYERS, DEPORT DEPORT DEPORT.

[Politicalmom]

I understood it was 100 words.

[subterfuge]

As always, conservatives, who thrive on alienation, are spoiling for a fight. Now they have found it.

Just shows you're still an idiot Howard.

[WWTD]

What is happening to me???

First, I find that the television person I most agree with is not on Fox, but rather CNN’s Lou Dobbs. Now I find myself agreeing, mostly, with Howard Fineman. (I don’t like being called a “domestic neocon”)

Still, though a leftie, Fineman reads the tea leaves well. The funny thing to do would be to let the Senate pass this monster so we can sit on the sidelines and eat some popcorn while the Black Congressional Caucas goes ape in the House. But right now, it is our battle, and we must continue to melt those phone lines!

[SIDENET]

His two-term presidency is clattering to a conclusion, besieged on all sides, taking hits on everything from his attorney general to his general incompetence. And so he decides to do what? Climb into the ring for an ultimate fighting bout with the base of the very Republicans who got him to the White House.

I don't even like Fineman, but these sentences nail it.

[Paperdoll]

I hate to say this, but we’ve finally found something we agree on!

Why does this joke comes to mind? What do you call a frog that crosses the road, jumps into a mud puddle, then crosses back over the road? A dirty double crosser! A-hem, Mr. President????

There are those who talk about illegal immigration, and then there are those who do something about it. GO DUNCAN HUNTER! See ya, mom. :o)

[subterfuge]

It’s just a pet peeve of mine, as I hate giving a hit to certain sites. No biggie.

[advertising guy]

sissy boy Finemann is such a metrosexual and liar I loathe the sissy

[meandog]

Keep movin', movin', movin',
Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them wetbacks movin' Rawhide!
(whip crack sound)
Don't try to understand 'em,
Just rope and deport 'em,
Soon we'll be living high and wide.
Boy my heart's calculatin'
My true country's a'waitin', waiting at the end of my ride.
(whip crack and Howard Dean yell)

Move 'em on, head 'em up,
Head 'em up, move 'em out,
Move 'em on, head 'em out Rawhide!
Set 'em out, ride 'em in
Ride 'em in, let 'em out,
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in Rawhide.

Rollin', rollin', rollin'
Though the Rio Grande is swollen
Keep them wetbacks rollin'
Rawhide!
(two whip cracks and Howard Dean yell)
Rain and wind and weather
Hell-bent for leather
Wishin' that Bush was by my side.


All the things he's a forgettin',
He'll soon be regrettin'
Are waiting at the end of his term

CHORUS
Move 'em on, head 'em up
Head 'em up, move 'em on
Move 'em on, head 'em up
Rawhide
Count 'em out, ride 'em in,
Ride 'em in, count 'em out,
Count 'em out, ride 'em in
Rawhide!

[Daralundy]

If you excerpt manually you can get up to 300 words.

[bcsco]

I don’t like being called a “domestic neocon

Yeah, that's the one thing about the article that grated. If we're Conservative, then we must be 'neocons'. Sheesh. I guess it's easier than having to go into a distinction whenever a knee-jerk MSM type writes an article. Lazy they be!

[jedward]

Hey GOP...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1848788/posts?page=404#404

[airborne]

Dear President Bush and Mr. Rove,

Good bye!

Signed,

The Conservative Base

[MEGoody]

The only credit he'll get is for destroying the GOP and handing America over to those who don't give a damn about our history, culture, or laws.

Not so sure. I do think part of Bush's legacy will be his swift reaction to 9/11. I also think his initial actions in Iraq were spot on.

[AngryJawa]

As always, conservatives, who thrive on alienation, are spoiling for a fight. Now they have found it. Among the branch of conservatism fixed on “Us v Them” thinking, the enemy for decades was Communism. After the fall of The Wall, the “neocons” found a replacement Them in jihadist Islam. The old America-Firsters—what we used to call “isolationists,” who distrust foreign commitments—now have a homeland Them, in the form of 12-20 million illegal immigrants, most from Mexico.

I find Fineman's take on my motivations and those of 77% of the public to be insulting and wrong.

It's simply amazing how this twerp can spin so much venom into what amounts to a "no-$hi%, Sherlock" column.

Other than that, I generally agree with his take on Jorge the Haciendado's foolish suicide mission.

[goldstategop]

"Just shut up you peasants! I'll manage the hacienda and mind your own business." - Jorge W.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[TheDon]

Well said.

[mthom]

Im by no means a fan of Bushs stance on illegal immigration. That doesnt mean Im going to nod my head in agreement with an article that seeks to insult me and conservatives as much as it does Bush. Dont let your distaste for Bush fool you into agreement with the likes of Fineman.

[monkapotamus]

"WASHINGTON - Though I’ve never heard him use the term, my guess is that George W. Bush sees himself as a hacendado, an estate owner in Old Mexico."

[mtbopfuyn]

It really is quite extraordinary. Here he is, an unpopular leader fighting an unpopular war. His two-term presidency is clattering to a conclusion, besieged on all sides, taking hits on everything from his attorney general to his general incompetence. And so he decides to do what? Climb into the ring for an ultimate fighting bout with the base of the very Republicans who got him to the White House.

If it weren't so outlandish I'd swear this is a serious case of invasion of the body snatchers, that or Hiltery is up to some very dark and shady tricks. He's not the man any of us voted for.

[upchuck]

Actually, it’s contradictory. One place it says 100 words, another place it says 300.

[bcsco]

I do think part of Bush's legacy will be his swift reaction to 9/11. I also think his initial actions in Iraq were spot on.

Legacies come from public perception and historical record. He will get some credit for his reaction to 9/11 and Iraq (the war, not the handling of the peace), but I suspect all this will be overshadowed by his refusal to listen to his base and its subsequent effect on the GOP.

[steve8714]

The black caucus will vote as Unite Here! and the NEA tell them to. They don’t have a ball among them.

[ConservativeDude]

but...but...Isn’t Karl Rover a political genius?!

[upsdriver]

“As always, conservatives, who thrive on alienation, are spoiling for a fight. “

Howard, let’s assume that conservatives are in control of the media and all the governmental and educational institutions in this country. Would you liberals be spoiling for a fight? And would you liberals feel alienated?

I guess we are just supposed to stand by and allow our country to go down the tubes. You bone head.

[tflabo]

[mthom]

How does someone who gets paid to pay attention to politics get away with such a term as “domestic neocon” as its used here. Its like he doesnt know where the word neocon comes from.

[meandog]

but...but...Isn’t Karl Rover a political genius?!

No, Rove is a magnificent bastard!

[pabianice]

Ewww... where’s the BARF ALERT?

[KenmcG414]

Hate to say it but GW Bush is passing Jimmah Carter as the worst President in recent memory. Jimmy sold out to the Iranians while George is selling out to Mexico and failing to protect US citizens for not protecting the borders.

[spectre]

"Not so sure. I do think part of Bush's legacy will be his swift reaction to 9/11. I also think his initial actions in Iraq were spot on.

Yes, and he could have had a place on Mt. Rushmore if he hadn't blown it with his comprehensive immigration reform..aka amnesty.

sw