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What America Owes its 'Illegals' (Ultra Barf Alert!)
The Nation ^ | June 12, 2007 | Barbara Ehrenreich

Posted on 06/12/2007 8:18:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Rush Limbaugh has been expecting liberals to start "whining" about the $5000 fine undocumented immigrants will have to pay to gain citizenship under the new immigration bill, but most liberals have been too busy chortling about the immigration-induced split in the GOP to make their own case against the bill. So let a mighty whine rise over the land: Undocumented workers shouldn't be fined; they should get a hefty bonus!

All right, they committed a "crime"--the international equivalent of breaking and entry. But breaking and entry is usually a prelude to a much worse crime, like robbery or rape. What have the immigrants been doing once they get into the US? Taking up time on the elliptical trainers in our health clubs? Getting ahead of us on the wait-lists for elite private nursery schools?

In case you don't know what immigrants do in this country, the Latinos have a word for it--trabajo. They've been mowing the lawns, cleaning the offices, hammering the nails and picking the tomatoes, not to mention all that dish-washing, diaper-changing, meat-packing and poultry-plucking.

The punitive rage directed at illegal immigrants grows out of a larger blindness to the manual labor that makes our lives possible: The touching belief, in the class occupied by Rush Limbaugh among many others, that offices clean themselves at night and salad greens spring straight from the soil onto one's plate.

Native-born workers share in this invisibility, but it's far worse in the case of immigrant workers, who are often, for all practical purposes, nameless. In the recent book There's No José Here: Following the Lives of Mexican Immigrants, Gabriel Thompson cites a construction company manager who says things like, "I've got to get myself a couple of Josés for this job if we're going to have that roof patched up by Saturday." Forget the Juans, Diegos, and Eduardos - they're all interchangeable "Josés."

Hence no doubt the ease with which some prominent immigrant-bashers forget their own personal reliance on immigrant labor, like Nevada's Governor Jim Gibbons, who, it turns out, once employed an undocumented nanny. And as the Boston Globe revealed late last year, Mitt Romney's lawn in suburban Boston was maintained by illegal immigrants from Guatemala.

The only question is how much we owe our undocumented immigrant workers. First, those who do not remain to enjoy the benefits of old age in America will have to be reimbursed for their contributions to Medicare and Social Security, and here I quote the website of the San Diego ACLU:

Undocumented immigrants annually pay an estimated $7 billion more than they take out into Social Security, and $1.5 billion more into Medicare.... A study by the National Academy of Sciences also found that tax payments generated by immigrants outweighed any costs associated with services used by immigrants.

Second, someone is going to have to calculate what is owed to "illegals" for wages withheld by unscrupulous employers: The homeowner who tells his or her domestic worker that the wage is actually several hundred dollars a month less than she had been promised, and that the homeowner will be "holding" it for her. Or the landscaping service that stiffs its undocumented workers for their labor. Who's the "illegal" here?

Third, there's the massive compensation owed to undocumented immigrants for preventable injuries on the job. In her book Suburban Sweatshops: The Fight for Immigrant Rights, Jennifer Gordon reports such gruesome cases as a Honduran who died from inhaling paint while sanding yachts in Long Island and a Guatemalan worker whose boss intentionally burned him with hot pans of oil for not washing dishes fast enough. "Death rates for Latino workers," Gordon reports, "have risen over the past decade even as workplace fatality rates for non-Latinos have fallen."

When our debt to America's undocumented workers is eventually tallied, I'm confident that it will be well in excess of the $5000 fine the immigration bill proposes. There is still the issue of the original "crime." If someone breaks into my property for the purpose of trashing and looting, I would be hell-bent on restitution. But if they break in for the purpose of cleaning it--scrubbing the bathroom, mowing the lawn--then, in my way of thinking anyway, the debt goes in the other direction.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: aclu; agriculture; aliens; amnesty; borders; bushlegacy; deportation; georgebush; gop; illegalaliens; illegalimmigrants; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; medicare; mexicans; mittromney; noamnestyforillegals; shamnesty; socialsecurity; trabejo; vampirebill
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Just doing the jobs we won't do: that's our "undocumented Americans" for you...
1 posted on 06/12/2007 8:18:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We owe them nothing. We owe ourselves their expulsion from our home.


2 posted on 06/12/2007 8:21:48 PM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
****Undocumented workers shouldn't be fined; they should get a hefty bonus!*****

In the first paragraph she proves Rush's point. The dems & elite republicans say it's not amnesty because there is a fine and she is admitting there should be no fine. For all practical purposes the pro-amnesty people should just argue for the merging of the US & Mexico.

3 posted on 06/12/2007 8:22:07 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bus fare.


4 posted on 06/12/2007 8:23:42 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Barbara Ehrenreich

5 posted on 06/12/2007 8:24:40 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; JulieRNR21; EternalVigilance; Delphinium; fieldmarshaldj; kellynla; NormsRevenge; ..

This deserves a “WTF?” by Aunt Linda from Weekend Update (Saturday Night Live).


6 posted on 06/12/2007 8:24:58 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is not over yet. Bush refuses to give up this easily. It's his stubborn character. He will try to resurrect it and call it something else. We have to keep our guard up. We need to keep the pressure up.

STAGE TWO is to go after the people who hire illegals. Start giving them fines and arresting them. Just catch ten or 100 of them on the nightly news. The magnet will dry up and most of the 12 million will go home by themselves.

As an addendum, we should anonymously call the IRS, people working "off the books" means taxes ain't being paid. Make anonymous fliers and hang them around the neighborhood, name names. It's time to embarrass these bustards, whether they give to the GOP or Rats, we don't need them.

CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them. This is a bipartisan issue not a Conservative or Liberal issue BUT AN AMERICAN issue.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

7 posted on 06/12/2007 8:27:05 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
the manual labor that makes our lives possible

The manual labor that made myself and so many of my friends escape grinding poverty because we could find no-skilled jobs to save money for college while in middle and high school.
8 posted on 06/12/2007 8:27:10 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: SpaceBar

Better yet; a one-way trip in a cattle car to southern Mexico. Anyone caught re-entering the United States will do one year in detention (work gang) and then returned to Mexico, again.


9 posted on 06/12/2007 8:28:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In case you don't know what immigrants do in this country, the Latinos have a word for it--trabajo. They've been mowing the lawns, cleaning the offices, hammering the nails and picking the tomatoes, not to mention all that dish-washing, diaper-changing, meat-packing and poultry-plucking.

Emergency rooms in this country are packed will illegals getting free medical service that I have to subsidize by extremely high premiums on my health care. They can buy a home (for some unknown reason) where I'm told I make too much money for any assistance, but have too high of debt to qualify for a loan. They receive public assistance (welfare) and food stamps while driving around in vehicles that are new or nearly new (while I'm driving a vehicle that's eight years old). They are sending billions of the dollars they earn illegally in this country back to Mexico or Central American or Asia, or wherever they are from (which means that money is taken out of our economy). No, we do not owe them - they owe us and big time at that.

10 posted on 06/12/2007 8:28:23 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Keep movin’, movin’, movin’,
Though they’re disapprovin’,
Keep them wetbacks movin’ Rawhide!

(whip crack sound, Howard Dean yell)

Don’t try to understand ‘em,
Just deport and disband ‘em,
Soon we’ll be living high and wide.
Boy my heart’s calculatin’
My true country’s ’waitin’, waiting at the end of our ride.

(whip crack and Howard Dean yell)

Move ‘em on, head ‘em up,
Head ‘em up, move ‘em out,
Move ‘em on, head ‘em out Rawhide!
Set ‘em out, ride ‘em in
Ride ‘em in, let ‘em out,
Cut ‘em out, ride ‘em in Rawhide.

(multiple whip cracks and Howard Dean yells)

Rollin’, rollin’, rollin’
Though the Rio Grande is swollen
Keep them wetbacks rollin’
Rawhide!

(two whip cracks and a Howard Dean yell)

Rain and wind and weather
Hell-bent for leather
Wishin’ George Bush was by my side.
All the things that he’s forgettin’,
His legacy he’ll be regrettin’
Are waiting at the end of his ride

CHORUS
Move ‘em on, head ‘em up
Head ‘em up, move ‘em on
Move ‘em on, head ‘em up
Rawhide
Count ‘em out, ride ‘em in,
Ride ‘em in, count ‘em out,
Count ‘em out, ride ‘em in
Rawhide!

(multiple whip cracks and Howard Dean yells)


11 posted on 06/12/2007 8:29:05 PM PDT by meandog (Bush--proving himself again and again to be the best friend the Dems have EVER had!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
All right, they committed a "crime"...

Notice the quotes.
12 posted on 06/12/2007 8:29:09 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In a different time, Barbara Ehrenreich would have sung the praises of slavery. All those happy blacks working in the fields, singing, and sooooooo happy.


13 posted on 06/12/2007 8:29:25 PM PDT by GOPJ (We are NOT a nation of immigrants, we are a nation of Americans - legal, assimilated and proud-Laney)
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To: P-40; All

HA....I wonder how many illegals she has hired for work around her domicile.....


14 posted on 06/12/2007 8:29:26 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged BuildsCharacter! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

America owes the Illegal Aliens NADA.

“Mexicano, Go Home!!”


15 posted on 06/12/2007 8:30:44 PM PDT by Howie66 (To the RAT Party: How can I question your patriotism? You have none, so what's your point?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We owe them nada!


16 posted on 06/12/2007 8:31:00 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Barbie feels so guilty about the illegals maybe she should make it good out of her considerable nest egg — if she’s not too busy with the elliptical trainer and private nursery school.


17 posted on 06/12/2007 8:31:23 PM PDT by claudiustg (I didn't leave the Republican Party. I was purged.)
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To: goodnesswins

I’m betting quite a few....and I’ll also bet she thought she was doing them a ‘kindness’ by hiring them.


18 posted on 06/12/2007 8:32:54 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Cacique

This issue crosses Party lines. Anyone that supports this destruction of our country is toast, IMO. They can start looking for their private sector jobs today as if anyone would have them.


19 posted on 06/12/2007 8:33:00 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Undocumented immigrants annually pay an estimated $7 billion more than they take out into Social Security, and $1.5 billion more into Medicare..

um....where to start ?
20 posted on 06/12/2007 8:33:28 PM PDT by stylin19a (Since bad golf shots come in groups of 3, a 4th bad shot is the start of the next group of 3)
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To: TAdams8591

“We owe them nothing. We owe ourselves their expulsion from our home”

RGR - Kick @ss and take names - and demand our reps follow the law or get a new job.

The Eisenhower solution worked with what? 1/5th of the border patrol we now have!

UNLEASH THE BORDER PATROL!


21 posted on 06/12/2007 8:33:31 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What America Owes its 'Illegals'

Zero, zip, nada, and nothign, not nexessarily in that order.

22 posted on 06/12/2007 8:33:45 PM PDT by TBP
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To: GOPJ

23 posted on 06/12/2007 8:33:50 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~)
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To: SteveMcKing

Phew... smells like fish around here.


24 posted on 06/12/2007 8:34:16 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~)
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To: Howie66

We owe them a bus ticket back home, and charge the Mexican government for the cost.


25 posted on 06/12/2007 8:35:14 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: SoldierDad

Their kids get free dental care through the schools! I have to pay for my kids’ dental care. They get free lunches and breakfasts, EVEN DURING SCHOOL VACATIONS. How do I know all this? My Olde English name can be Hispanic looking (with an accent on the silent E) and we have received packets from the local schools, all written in Spanish, telling us what we have been approved for. Which our income would disqualify us for, but surely there are some like us who don’t qualify but still collect.


26 posted on 06/12/2007 8:35:55 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: SpaceBar

Ehrenreich is currently an honorary co-chair of the Democratic Socialists of America. She also serves on the NORML Board of Directors. And she writes for one of those news magazines no one reads any more. In short, a pot smoking socialist who writes the kind of crap the Nation publishes, which is why no one reads it, either, except for socialist college professors.


27 posted on 06/12/2007 8:37:03 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“They’ve been mowing the lawns, cleaning the offices, hammering the nails and picking the tomatoes, not to mention all that dish-washing, diaper-changing, meat-packing and poultry-plucking.”

ALL OF WHICH have traditionally summer and/or entry-level jobs FOR OUR OWN AMERICAN-CITIZEN kids......these jobs were essential for the development of the work ethic and everything else rooted in a good and well-developed work-ethic that has served America so very well for more than 2 centuries!


28 posted on 06/12/2007 8:37:22 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: fieldmarshaldj

An English language version of that movie on laser disc will get you $200,000 on the open market and a visit from the FCC.


29 posted on 06/12/2007 8:37:40 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Id like to know if she would be willing to repeat this article after having spent a week in a roomful of 15 illegal aliens...all men...all men who have no compunction whatsoever about using her as a recepticle. Men who are here illegally and know that they will be provided cover after having so abused her.

I wish there were some way of making Lefties live the vapid utopian elitist lies they make up for the rest of us. I wish it with all my heart. There's no better punishment for a Lefty than to make them live the hell they concoct for people they deem lesser than themselves.

30 posted on 06/12/2007 8:38:11 PM PDT by Alkhin (star dust contemplating star dust)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ask yourself what you owe that poor burglar who broke into your home last night. He had worked so conscientiously, going through three rooms from top to bottom, before you awoke to catch him in the act. SURELY he deserves at least that wide screen TV and that one piece of jewelry. Come on. That was hours of effort. Show some humanity.


31 posted on 06/12/2007 8:38:20 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; cmsgop

This one’s a doozy!


32 posted on 06/12/2007 8:38:53 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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In case you don't know what immigrants do in this country, the Latinos have a word for it--trabajo. They've been mowing the lawns, cleaning the offices, hammering the nails and picking the tomatoes, not to mention all that dish-washing, diaper-changing, meat-packing and poultry-plucking.

Vile hypocrisy.

On the one hand, socialists argue that an individual owes income taxes on the income he makes, because the individual who worked to earn that income is obligated to "give back" to society in exchange for society having made it possible for him to have earned the income in the first place.

Now, out of the other side their mouths, they argue that society owes the members of one of their favored groups for having done useful work (for which those individuals have already earned an income based on the market's valuation of their contributions.)

So which is it? Does society owe you something for the work you do--above and beyond the wage or other payment you have agreed to accept, or do you owe society for the privilege of having been able to work to earn an income?

33 posted on 06/12/2007 8:39:22 PM PDT by sourcery (Double Feature: "The Amnestyville Horror" and "Kill the Bill, Vol. 2")
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To: Yaelle

I hear you. It’s enough to turn my stomach.


34 posted on 06/12/2007 8:39:28 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All right, they committed a “crime”—the international equivalent of breaking and entry. But breaking and entry is usually a prelude to a much worse crime, like robbery or rape.

Hey Barb! How about felonies? That is what document fraud is...a felony. How about plain old theft? Everytime they send their children to school, use the emergency room, cash in WIC or food stamps, go home to their subsidized housing, they are stealing straight from an American Taxpayer’s pocket.
I consider those to be crimes.


35 posted on 06/12/2007 8:39:33 PM PDT by sheana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe we can maybe we can’t deport 12,000,000 but we can deport that Chavez loving rag, The Nation.

I think we should deport them to Cuba where they can get a free rice cooker and free health care. ‘Cause I have big heart. And then they wont be here.

We could deport them to Chavez Land but I don’t think they get free stuff there.


36 posted on 06/12/2007 8:39:49 PM PDT by Duke Nukum (The World is Not Enough)
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37 posted on 06/12/2007 8:39:57 PM PDT by Gritty (The only concession the pro-illegal immigration crowd makes is to honesty - Debra J. Saunders)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
and here I quote the website of the San Diego ACLU:

Well, if they are going to quote such reputable, upstanding groups like the ACLU, maybe I will have to reconsider...

After thinking it over, I would agree to letting the crimmigrants stay if we can deport the ACLU.

38 posted on 06/12/2007 8:40:22 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: Yaelle
Ask yourself what you owe that poor burglar who broke into your home last night. He had worked so conscientiously, going through three rooms from top to bottom, before you awoke to catch him in the act. SURELY he deserves at least that wide screen TV and that one piece of jewelry. Come on. That was hours of effort. Show some humanity.

Celine Dion couldn't have said it better.

39 posted on 06/12/2007 8:40:43 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one

...and the NAACP.


40 posted on 06/12/2007 8:41:15 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~)
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; Travis McGee; 2ndDivisionVet


41 posted on 06/12/2007 8:41:30 PM PDT by devolve ( _Illegal_Aliens_Killed_25_Americans_Today _A_Mexican_Illegal_Alien_Sold_The_911_IDS_)
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Which our income would disqualify us for

I'm betting your school does not have a hotline to the IRS to verify such info and even if they did they would not use it. The more money they spend this year, the more they get the next.
42 posted on 06/12/2007 8:41:50 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: 3AngelaD

Thanks for the info. Wasn’t aware of her background.


43 posted on 06/12/2007 8:43:18 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m against slavery in any form. It is a moral thing.


44 posted on 06/12/2007 8:45:04 PM PDT by Porterville (2 SUPREME COURT JUSTICES AND POSSIBLY THREE..... SO THINK ABOUT IT IDIOT)
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To: devolve

Very nice! You did a variation on this one!


45 posted on 06/12/2007 8:45:20 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Illegals make up 4.4% of the workforce according to the US Dept of Labor. They make about 2.2% of the GDP for America. The rest of GDP is done by the real backbone of the US economy which is the legal worker!

Also, if illegals payed more into the system than they took out, they wouldn't need the system.

46 posted on 06/12/2007 8:46:01 PM PDT by pulaskibush (USA, founded by tolerant Christians. USSR, founded by intolerant Secularist.)
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Barbara is clueless (I know, we didnt need this piece to discover that). She conveniently forgets all the costs such as courts, prisons, educating their children, school lunches, WIC services and food for pregnant women, infants, and children, and translators.

Take the last item. If a hospital spends 150K a year on translators, that’s money it can’t spend elswhere. That the kind of money could probably buy valuable medical equipment. She is so wrong to take these tradeoffs so lightly.


47 posted on 06/12/2007 8:47:05 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: SpaceBar; All

Just say NO to Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


48 posted on 06/12/2007 8:48:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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"In case you don't know what immigrants do in this country, the Latinos have a word for it--trabajo. They've been mowing the lawns, cleaning the offices, hammering the nails and picking the tomatoes, not to mention all that dish-washing, diaper-changing, meat-packing and poultry-plucking."

What a bunch of crap. What about the car thieving, the break and entering (not the "into the country" crap this article leads off with) the rape of women, drug smuggling, murdering, latino gang violence, prostitution rings, defrauding government social programs, defrauding or just plain theft of medical treatment, identity theft,-and the list goes on and on,- 99% of these criminals commit, not to mention tax evasion, and voting illegaly for idiotic sympathizers that they KNOW are stupid clueless suckers.

We owe them alright, we owe them a brief moment to stand before a judge, who will tell them the crimes they have committed, and explain to them why they will never be alowed to enter this country again. Then we owe them a paper towel to wipe the ink off their fingers after they are fingerprinted and photographed. We owe them a bottle of water to drink after we drop them off at the SOUTHERNMOST MEXICAN BORDER which will ensure they don't walk back across the USA/Mexican border the next day.

49 posted on 06/12/2007 8:49:21 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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I personally know of a number of situations that rag heads have come into our country and received a $50,000 check from Uncle Sam and a wet kiss just to give them hands-up to get a good start. This is, of course, tax free and will probably never be paid back to the government. But, hell, that’s okay. We, as citizens, in the country, could and will never get such a helping hand.
Can anyone else give me their opinion about this??
50 posted on 06/12/2007 8:50:39 PM PDT by antiunion person (The more we help, the more they steal from us.)
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