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What America Owes its 'Illegals' (Ultra Barf Alert!)
The Nation ^ | June 12, 2007 | Barbara Ehrenreich

Posted on 06/12/2007 8:18:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Rush Limbaugh has been expecting liberals to start "whining" about the $5000 fine undocumented immigrants will have to pay to gain citizenship under the new immigration bill, but most liberals have been too busy chortling about the immigration-induced split in the GOP to make their own case against the bill. So let a mighty whine rise over the land: Undocumented workers shouldn't be fined; they should get a hefty bonus!

All right, they committed a "crime"--the international equivalent of breaking and entry. But breaking and entry is usually a prelude to a much worse crime, like robbery or rape. What have the immigrants been doing once they get into the US? Taking up time on the elliptical trainers in our health clubs? Getting ahead of us on the wait-lists for elite private nursery schools?

In case you don't know what immigrants do in this country, the Latinos have a word for it--trabajo. They've been mowing the lawns, cleaning the offices, hammering the nails and picking the tomatoes, not to mention all that dish-washing, diaper-changing, meat-packing and poultry-plucking.

The punitive rage directed at illegal immigrants grows out of a larger blindness to the manual labor that makes our lives possible: The touching belief, in the class occupied by Rush Limbaugh among many others, that offices clean themselves at night and salad greens spring straight from the soil onto one's plate.

Native-born workers share in this invisibility, but it's far worse in the case of immigrant workers, who are often, for all practical purposes, nameless. In the recent book There's No José Here: Following the Lives of Mexican Immigrants, Gabriel Thompson cites a construction company manager who says things like, "I've got to get myself a couple of Josés for this job if we're going to have that roof patched up by Saturday." Forget the Juans, Diegos, and Eduardos - they're all interchangeable "Josés."

Hence no doubt the ease with which some prominent immigrant-bashers forget their own personal reliance on immigrant labor, like Nevada's Governor Jim Gibbons, who, it turns out, once employed an undocumented nanny. And as the Boston Globe revealed late last year, Mitt Romney's lawn in suburban Boston was maintained by illegal immigrants from Guatemala.

The only question is how much we owe our undocumented immigrant workers. First, those who do not remain to enjoy the benefits of old age in America will have to be reimbursed for their contributions to Medicare and Social Security, and here I quote the website of the San Diego ACLU:

Undocumented immigrants annually pay an estimated $7 billion more than they take out into Social Security, and $1.5 billion more into Medicare.... A study by the National Academy of Sciences also found that tax payments generated by immigrants outweighed any costs associated with services used by immigrants.

Second, someone is going to have to calculate what is owed to "illegals" for wages withheld by unscrupulous employers: The homeowner who tells his or her domestic worker that the wage is actually several hundred dollars a month less than she had been promised, and that the homeowner will be "holding" it for her. Or the landscaping service that stiffs its undocumented workers for their labor. Who's the "illegal" here?

Third, there's the massive compensation owed to undocumented immigrants for preventable injuries on the job. In her book Suburban Sweatshops: The Fight for Immigrant Rights, Jennifer Gordon reports such gruesome cases as a Honduran who died from inhaling paint while sanding yachts in Long Island and a Guatemalan worker whose boss intentionally burned him with hot pans of oil for not washing dishes fast enough. "Death rates for Latino workers," Gordon reports, "have risen over the past decade even as workplace fatality rates for non-Latinos have fallen."

When our debt to America's undocumented workers is eventually tallied, I'm confident that it will be well in excess of the $5000 fine the immigration bill proposes. There is still the issue of the original "crime." If someone breaks into my property for the purpose of trashing and looting, I would be hell-bent on restitution. But if they break in for the purpose of cleaning it--scrubbing the bathroom, mowing the lawn--then, in my way of thinking anyway, the debt goes in the other direction.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: aclu; agriculture; aliens; amnesty; borders; bushlegacy; deportation; georgebush; gop; illegalaliens; illegalimmigrants; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; medicare; mexicans; mittromney; noamnestyforillegals; shamnesty; socialsecurity; trabejo; vampirebill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In the good old days, teenagers used to do these jobs.


61 posted on 06/12/2007 9:03:05 PM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution...only for a [Christian] people...it is wholly inadequate for any other.-J.Q.Adams)
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To: hole_n_one

Sometimes, though Chevy Chase is the one singing it. =8-0


62 posted on 06/12/2007 9:03:32 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Apparently the author considers identity theft to be a victimless crime. I feel so....enlightened.


63 posted on 06/12/2007 9:05:00 PM PDT by Bernard (You can't fix stupid. Stop trying.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s Barbara Ehrenreich and The Nation, automatic double barf.

Barbara Ehrenreich thinks fast-food workers should be paid the same as salaried engineers, but she doesn’t want to spend $250 for a burger.


64 posted on 06/12/2007 9:06:16 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: devolve

Lol, that’s good! Bull meaning Bullheaded I suppose? Or you may have a different meaning entirely as you often do.


65 posted on 06/12/2007 9:09:20 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What we owe to the illegals is a swift kick in the pants back over the border.


66 posted on 06/12/2007 9:11:05 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: goodnesswins
"HA....I wonder how many illegals she has hired for work around her domicile....."

Quite a few judging by the width of her fat @ss.

It's obvious that she don't leave her sanctuary very often. I wold just love to drop her off in the middle of a illegal criminal nieghborhood with no money, phone,ID and make her walk back out, passing through the nieghborhoods which border these areas. maybe her opinion of "poor illegal Mexicans" who cut grass and pick vegetables, clean toilets will be altered to include reality.

67 posted on 06/12/2007 9:12:22 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: ROTB
"In the good old days, teenagers used to do these jobs."

In the good old days I mowed lawns and washed dishes for spending money. And I am an American citizen. Shocker.

68 posted on 06/12/2007 9:12:32 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Supposing all this crap is true which, I don't for a minute. Shouldn't the poor from other countries have the same access to these opportunities as Latinos? Mexico is by no means the poorest country in the world.

So if they can tap our generosity by doing jobs Americans won't do, why not just let in the poor from Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and a score of other countries who need the jobs more and will do them for less?

Is there any limit to the number of people this country can hold?

Just a little quiz:

  1. The population density of Mexico is most comparable to which U.S. state? (a)New York, (b)California (c)Tennessee (d)Ohio.
  2. The population density of Bangladesh is most comparable to which U.S. state or city? (a)Wisconsin, (b)Rhode Island, (c)New Jersey, (d)Corpus Christi, Texas.
  3. The population density of Argentina is most comparable to which U.S. state? (a)South Dakota, (b)Colorado, (c)Arkansas, (d)Georgia.
  4. Zimbabwe has a population density most comparable with which U.S. state? (a)Minnesota, (b)Alabama, (c)Illinois, (d)Indiana.
  5. Cuba has a population density most comparable with which U.S. state? (a)California, (b)Florida, (c)Ohio, (d)Pennsylvania.

Do you suppose many or most of the people in the five countries named would like to come to the United States? Do we have room for them all? Which are the most deserving?
69 posted on 06/12/2007 9:12:44 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: potlatch

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Try the other end of the bull!


70 posted on 06/12/2007 9:13:09 PM PDT by devolve ( _Illegal_Aliens_Killed_25_Americans_Today _A_Mexican_Illegal_Alien_Sold_The_911_IDS_)
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To: devolve

Yes, I saw the BS’er in another post.


71 posted on 06/12/2007 9:15:05 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: pulaskibush
Illegals make up 4.4% of the workforce according to the US Dept of Labor. They make about 2.2% of the GDP for America. The rest of GDP is done by the real backbone of the US economy which is the legal worker!

Now how can that possibly be true when there are so many "jobs that Americans won't do." /s

72 posted on 06/12/2007 9:17:16 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like the author has illegals working for her, and hates the thought of having to pay a legal worker legal wages. Either that or she’s smoking some darn good pot.


73 posted on 06/12/2007 9:18:03 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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To: antiunion person

Last year, after Hurricane Katrina and my business being destoyed in Biloxi MS; I moved to Dallas/Ft Worth and was hired as a supervisor at the employment & welfare office. The “clients” receive: TANF (cash money), food stamps, gas money or bus passes, laptop computers w/Internet access, job counseling, clothing, Section 8 subsidized housing, Medicaid, and lots more!! Illegals are eligible for all these benefits.


74 posted on 06/12/2007 9:18:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s why I say “we the people” should have a tax revolt. They can’t throw us all in jail, and they can’t kick us out of the country.
Enough is enough.


75 posted on 06/12/2007 9:25:25 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We should give illegals jobs as journalists. The crap the media churns out now would is worth about a nickel an hour....


76 posted on 06/12/2007 9:37:56 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They've been mowing the lawns, cleaning the offices, hammering the nails and picking the tomatoes, not to mention all that dish-washing, diaper-changing, meat-packing and poultry-plucking.

And they were paid for it. They didn't come into the country to work for free. Illegal aliens are not Mother Teresa.

They took a risk in order to reap benefits for themselves and their families. The risk to them is being caught and deported, and it's a very low risk at present.

If we want to reduce the number of illegal immigrants, we need to increase the risk or decrease the benefits. Ms. Ehrenreich wants to do just the opposite. Yeah, that will help.

77 posted on 06/12/2007 9:41:17 PM PDT by wai-ming
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To: Nathan Zachary
"They can’t throw us all in jail, and they can’t kick us out of the country."

They would make a better effort at it than they do against border jumpers. Slaves are better subjects than independent thinkers.

78 posted on 06/12/2007 9:46:49 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Yaelle

hahaaaha no, you gotta put him up forever and pay for his food, for his clothes and for his healthcare and if he has kids.....well me bucko........ you gotta pay for them too...

kum—bye—eeya.... gringo-man.


79 posted on 06/12/2007 9:51:22 PM PDT by flat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
All right, they committed a "crime"--the international equivalent of breaking and entry. But breaking and entry is usually a prelude to a much worse crime, like robbery or rape.

She must be one of those "run into a corner, dial 911 and hope for the best" liberals.

Where I'm from, breaking and entering gets you SHOT. You don't get a chance to rob or rape, cause you're DEAD.

80 posted on 06/12/2007 9:52:55 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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