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Penalty Mitigation in the Immigration Reform Bill [White House Spokesman Responds: Post #53]
Free Republic ^ | 6-13-2007 | philman_36

Posted on 06/13/2007 6:57:12 AM PDT by philman_36

This morning on Fox and Friends there was made mention that much stricter fines are in the immigration reform bill. While this is true many folks may not know about a few words that follow the language about the tougher fines. Those words make a travesty of any "fines" as they can be waved and the employer could walk away owing nothing in penalties.

Here are the words I've got a problem with...

(D) The Secretary is authorized to reduce or mitigate penalties imposed upon employers, based upon factors including, but not limited to, the employer's hiring volume, compliance history, good-faith implementation of a compliance program, participation in temporary worker program, and voluntary disclosure of violations of this subsection to the Secretary.

So while we're being told that "the penalties are tougher" we aren't being told that under some circumstances employers can face reduced or even no fine whatsoever.
At this point of time in our history America can't afford our officials not being completely truthful to us and not stating that the possibility exists for employers to potentially be let off the hook completely is simply unacceptable.


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Some more of the same old same old
1 posted on 06/13/2007 6:57:15 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36
under some circumstances

Under ALL circumstances.
2 posted on 06/13/2007 6:58:53 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: tarheelswamprat; joanie-f; B4Ranch; philman_36; Czar; angkor; bill1952; FastCoyote; Cobra64; ...

Comments or corrections requested.


3 posted on 06/13/2007 7:01:16 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36

Mushroom governance. Keep the sheeple in the dark and feed ‘em $#!t.


4 posted on 06/13/2007 7:01:36 AM PDT by Roccus (People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient....then repent.)
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To: philman_36
If this thing ever went through, who in this country is dumb enough to believe these "good, hard-working people," in our politically correct climate, would be expected to pay one red cent?

Anyone, anyone?

5 posted on 06/13/2007 7:02:13 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: philman_36

Anything other than deporting those here illegally is called AMNESTY, no matter how much you have your spin machine cycle it.


6 posted on 06/13/2007 7:03:59 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy, Romney & McCain = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party - Duncan Hunter, President 2008)
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To: Roccus
Keep the sheeple in the dark and feed ‘em $#!t.

Just more boob bait for Bubba.

7 posted on 06/13/2007 7:04:36 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: snowrip
Under ALL circumstances.
There is always that possibility.
8 posted on 06/13/2007 7:07:29 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Roccus
Mushroom governance. Keep the sheeple in the dark and feed ‘em $#!t.
And not even any salt to season it with.
9 posted on 06/13/2007 7:08:55 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: truthkeeper
...who in this country is dumb enough to believe these "good, hard-working people," in our politically correct climate, would be expected to pay one red cent?
Here's a whole bunch of 'em.

10 posted on 06/13/2007 7:12:44 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: RasterMaster
...no matter how much you have your spin machine cycle it.

11 posted on 06/13/2007 7:21:45 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36

right now even a 10 year excludability can be reduced upon application and showing cause.

(it keeps immigration lawyers busy)

For example an person excluded for 10 years may be able to get a waiver for the excludability because they petition for an investor visa.

IOW you are going to generate about 300k worth of business in the USA.

(IOW the immigration lawyer helps set up a sham corporation which does some amount of business and on paper is real but in reality is just a flea market tshirt shop which has no net profit but exists until the green card arrives.)


12 posted on 06/13/2007 7:27:30 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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The Bill was written by enemies of the American citizens so why would we expect there to be enforcable penalties for their “troops”?

Two questions:

What percentage of these “troops” do you think will go through the trouble of learning English and paying a $5000 fine to become an American citizen?

What advantage is there for them to be an American citizen?


13 posted on 06/13/2007 7:36:08 AM PDT by B4Ranch (DRIP = "Don't Return Incumbent Politicians," two terms, and they're out.)
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What does it matter? What makes anyone think that these laws would be enforced with any more diligence than any of the current immigration-related laws?


14 posted on 06/13/2007 7:39:30 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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To: B4Ranch

You are correct about them being “troops”.

They are the troops, the roving enforcers, for all the wonderful changes that GWB, McCain, Kennedy, and Dodd have in store for us...


15 posted on 06/13/2007 7:41:49 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: philman_36

and worse in that picture is BOTH of mine are on the far right. And the answers to my calls and emails are farcical.


16 posted on 06/13/2007 7:45:30 AM PDT by doodad
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To: philman_36
Comment: This bill is a joke on the American people. If passed it can’t be enforced. It gives away citizenship to people that have broken our law. It can be used to gain legal status instantly. We all will pay the bill in the end.
17 posted on 06/13/2007 7:46:50 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: B4Ranch
What percentage of these “troops” do you think will go through the trouble of learning English and paying a $5000 fine to become an American citizen?
.0001%.
The vast majority won't because they don't want to become citizens anyway. There is no fear of capture or deportation because if it was going to happen it would've been happening consistently for the past dozen or more years. So few have been returned to Mexico with an "I got busted crossing the border" t-shirt that everyone thinks they won't even be looked for...and proportionally they're right.

What advantage is there for them to be an American citizen?
Since they get almost everything that citizens get now, and sometimes even more, there is none. Better to stay below the radar and weather out this latest squall.

18 posted on 06/13/2007 7:50:57 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: LIConFem

Trent Lott is quoted DIRECTLY in another thread stating the enforce first amendmetns would be made meaningless in the conference committee.

IOW if these amendments are passed, the fix is in to scrub them.


19 posted on 06/13/2007 7:56:57 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: philman_36; saveliberty
Comments or corrections requested.

Excellent post, and a critical piece of information which needs to be brought to the attention of the American people at every opportunity.

20 posted on 06/13/2007 7:58:06 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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