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To: Coyoteman; Stultis; EndWelfareToday
The only hoax I know of in evolution is Piltdown Man

Two words: Nebraska Man.

49 posted on 06/14/2007 8:50:58 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Theo
The only hoax I know of in evolution is Piltdown Man

Two words: Nebraska Man.

Please tell me you aren't that silly.

Piltdown was a hoax. Nebraska Man was a mistake on the part of one scientist which temporarily fooled a couple of others and an illustrator. The mistake was quickly corrected. Here is a good article.

Is "Nebraska Man" truly the best you can come up with to try and discredit the theory of evolution?

52 posted on 06/14/2007 9:25:56 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Theo

One word... Lucy. ;-D


54 posted on 06/14/2007 9:27:37 PM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter)
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To: Theo
The only hoax I know of in evolution is Piltdown Man

Two words: Nebraska Man.

Nebraska Man was not a hoax (a designed or intentional fake or deception or prank) of any kind or description. It was an actual, entirely genuine fossil tooth misinterpreted as having come from an ape* but which in fact came from an extinct pig. The mistake was discovered after only a few years when the researchers studying it at the American Museum dispatched an expedition to excavate the sight where the original, single tooth had been found.

*That's right: ape. Nebraska "Man" was never declared to be a man, or even a presumptive human ancestor, by any of the scientists actually studying it.

That bit of overreaching was left to the English neuroanatomist Grafton Elliot Smith, who was responsible for the human-like "reconstruction" of Hesperopithecus published in The Illustrated London News which creationists love to reproduce. Henry Fairfield Osborn, however, the senior figure at the American Museum where the tooth was deposited and examined, issued a statement to The New York Times declaring that "such a drawing or 'reconstruction' would doubtless be only a figment of the imagination of no scientific value, and undoubtedly inaccurate."

Although Osborn's associate William King Gregory did point out possible human affinities in the tooth, he also acknowledged that the tooth was far too worn for these to be definitive. It was, after all, significant (and controversial) enough to have found a putative ape in America, where no ape, living or extinct, had ever been known before, or since.

It was because the tooth was so badly worn that an expediction was sent to discover more and hopefully more definitive evidence, but instead the researchers disproved their own hypothesis.

Here's a good and fullsome account of the "Nebraska Man" episode:

The role of "Nebraska man" in the creation-evolution debate
by John Wolf and James S. Mellett
www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/wolfmellett.html

55 posted on 06/14/2007 9:43:47 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Theo
Two words: Nebraska Man.

Henry Fairfield Osborn was a prominent Darwinian and rabid eugenist. Originally a Piltdown-doubter, in 1921 he supposedly examined the evidence and declared, in most florid terms, that Piltdown man was genuine. He was also a major inspiration for the out-of-asia theory. Elliot Smith (a Piltdown guy) promoted the "Nebraska primate" as a human ancestor. Davidson Black, the Peking Man guy, (and also a Piltdown boy), was, according to Stultis in post 50, Elliot Smith's "student". And of course all the Peking man stuff mysteriously vanished. Next up on the Jerry Springer show: Inbred Science!

70 posted on 06/14/2007 11:46:18 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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