[discostu]

No that means the deer failed the “not become food” test.

The chimpanzees are doing fairly normal resource competition. A lot of animals that pack will go after competing offspring.

It becomes not a part of natural selection when you start having governing bodies. There’s nothing natural about a beauracracy. I’m not into hardcore naturalist views because they’re too often used to excuse aberant behavior. We’re humans, we found a way to evolve things like sympathy and social contracts, even from an atheistic we’re supposed to be better than the animals because we’re further along the evolutionary and food chains. We really don’t have the level of resource competition that would excuse being like chimps, and we have enough capacity for logic to know that the concept of “undesirable” isn’t that cut and dry.

[AndyTheBear]

I’m not into hardcore naturalist views because they’re too often used to excuse aberant behavior.

Agreed.

We really don’t have the level of resource competition that would excuse being like chimps, and we have enough capacity for logic to know that the concept of “undesirable” isn’t that cut and dry.

Have to disagree. Severe resource competition is common to the human condition.