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Illegal Immigrants Steal Social Securities Of Elderly, Dead
Judicial Watch ^ | 13 JUNE 2007 | Tom Fitton

Posted on 06/13/2007 1:34:56 PM PDT by radar101

The favorable portrait of honest and hard-working illegal immigrants who simply want to feed their families was shattered when federal agents arrested dozens of undocumented workers using dead and elderly Americans’ Social Security numbers along with previously deported criminals at an Oregon food processing plant.

More than 165 undocumented workers were arrested in the raid at a major Portland fruit and vegetable processing plant for food giant Del Monte. At least 90 employees had fraudulent Social Security cards and many used the real Social Securities of juveniles, the elderly and the deceased. Others had fake green, or residency, cards and at least three are convicted felons who had been previously deported.

The previously deported criminal illegal immigrants had been convicted in U.S. courts with crimes ranging from possession of heroin to identity theft and possession of counterfeit alien registration documents.

Immigration authorities launched an investigation into the plant a few months ago when a check of employee records pointed that only 48 of the nearly 600 plant workers had valid Social Security numbers. Because the plant staff varies according to seasonal employment changes, only 165 illegal aliens were arrested in this week’s raid.

Portland Mayor Tom Potter was outraged by the immigration raid, saying that it is bad policy for federal officials to go after local workers who are in his city to support their families while filling the demands of local businesses. He immediately issued a written statement expressing his anger and referring to the illegal immigrants as “Portland residents.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; crimaliens; identitytheft; idtheft; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; noamnestyforillegals; taxfraud; vampirebill
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1 posted on 06/13/2007 1:34:57 PM PDT by radar101
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To: radar101

Mayor Potter should be indicted!!


2 posted on 06/13/2007 1:37:32 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: radar101

I should go to Portland, speed in my car and tell Portland Mayor Tom that I was in a hurry to get out of town to buy food for my family.

You know Tom, if you don’t like the feds in your town, feel free to give back any money you get from them.


3 posted on 06/13/2007 1:37:48 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: radar101

Just doing the fraud Americans refuse to do...


4 posted on 06/13/2007 1:38:03 PM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: radar101

This problem will go away with the Amnesty bill and the Totalization Agreement between the US and Mexico because at that point, all these illegals, after becoming legal, will be retroactively eligible for Social Security themselves so they won’t have to steal someone else’s.


5 posted on 06/13/2007 1:38:49 PM PDT by Pete (My kid sister's first novel: Far Horizons at http://www.amazon.co.uk/)
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To: radar101

Uh, Mayor Tom? Before I forget - just how many people in your town are drawing welfare checks - because I’m sure those illegal workers can be replaced with those individuals in NO time.


6 posted on 06/13/2007 1:39:05 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: radar101

Can’t the victims of identity theft take Del Monte to court for an “intentional tort” of fraud/theft?


7 posted on 06/13/2007 1:39:07 PM PDT by Mamzelle ("Mr. Elite Pro-Amnesty Republican--has your family ever employed illegal labor?")
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To: radar101
Nice example of dishonest wording.

"Illegal Immigrants Steal Social Securities Of Elderly, Dead"

Translates to

"Illegal immigrants paying social security taxes into accounts they will never be able to collect, thereby subsidizing a system that is in danger of collapsing"
8 posted on 06/13/2007 1:40:49 PM PDT by ndt
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To: Right Cal Gal

Hey its just Illegal Felons doing the work American Felons don’t want to do!

Can’t wait for the ACLU to come in on this and defend deported Felons who are not deported...UH, and how do YOU do that? Uh, do you defend them first and then deport them or do you deport them and then ask them to come back for their defense?


9 posted on 06/13/2007 1:40:52 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (We need a troop surge in New Orleans and Philly!)
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To: Mamzelle
"Can’t the victims of identity theft take Del Monte to court for an “intentional tort” of fraud/theft?"

Theft? Hey listen, if you want to pay my taxes for me feel free.
10 posted on 06/13/2007 1:42:35 PM PDT by ndt
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To: radar101

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11 posted on 06/13/2007 1:43:27 PM PDT by wolfcreek (AMNESTY: See what BROWN can do for you..)
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To: radar101

Fine the processing plant $10,000 for each hiring violation....


12 posted on 06/13/2007 1:43:32 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: ndt

Well, maybe you can work out a deal with a coyote to lend your number.


13 posted on 06/13/2007 1:44:18 PM PDT by Mamzelle ("Mr. Elite Pro-Amnesty Republican--has your family ever employed illegal labor?")
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To: radar101
Portland Mayor Tom Potter was outraged by the immigration raid, saying that it is bad policy for federal officials to go after local workers who are in his city to support their families while filling the demands of local businesses. He immediately issued a written statement expressing his anger and referring to the illegal immigrants as “Portland residents.”

What a moron!! These people steal social security from AMERICAN citizens and he's angry at those enforcing the law and rounding up the criminals?!? What about those citizens that are getting ripped off by "his residents"? WTHeck!

14 posted on 06/13/2007 1:44:42 PM PDT by Sister_T (No Amnesty for Illegal, Lawbreaking, Criminal INVADERS!)
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To: radar101

bump


15 posted on 06/13/2007 1:45:01 PM PDT by GOPJ (Why do open border lobbies push for amnesty when borders leak like sieves? (hint: new dem voters))
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To: wolfcreek
"Maybe someone should check into the business practices of these fine *Googled* firms."

I'll save you the trouble. Immigration lawyers work with immigrants. I'm surprised you feel that needed clarification.
16 posted on 06/13/2007 1:45:14 PM PDT by ndt
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To: radar101

The governments at all levels really, really, needs to enforce existing law.

Just what is so hard about that concept?


17 posted on 06/13/2007 1:45:58 PM PDT by kjo
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To: Sister_T

What about those citizens that are getting ripped off by “his residents”?

Haven’t you figured it out yet? THEY DON’T COUNT!!!! They are just citizens, not the same as those poor, noble, hard working illegals. The citizens deserve to be ripped off.


18 posted on 06/13/2007 1:46:50 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Sister_T
"These people steal social security from AMERICAN citizens"

The article is talking about people paying taxes into the accounts, not stealing the payments.
19 posted on 06/13/2007 1:47:15 PM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt

They’re lawyers....they’ll represent anyone.

I was looking for current immigration law and they just kept poping up.


20 posted on 06/13/2007 1:51:34 PM PDT by wolfcreek (AMNESTY: See what BROWN can do for you..)
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To: radar101

bump


21 posted on 06/13/2007 1:53:10 PM PDT by VOA
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To: radar101
Immigration authorities launched an investigation into the plant a few months ago when a check of employee records pointed that only 48 of the nearly 600 plant workers had valid Social Security numbers.

552 invaders/con-men/scam artists/identity theft/ criminals working there? Unfrigginbelievable!

22 posted on 06/13/2007 1:54:57 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: radar101

Portland is a gorgeous city , .. too bad

however , .. glad I don’t live there anymore ,.. I live in a place that is much less “leftie-controlled”

* * New York City * *


23 posted on 06/13/2007 1:56:37 PM PDT by Dad yer funny (FoxNews is morphing , and not for the better ,... internal struggle? Its hard to watch)
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To: ndt

The only problem I can see is using a “child’s” social security number to open a line of credit. What a surprise it will be to children upon reaching their majority to find out they are already in bankruptcy. Now THAT would be a bummer. As to paying SS and taxes under the SS#, I can see where you might not care — it’s that credit background check you can’t get a job without that gives me pause.


24 posted on 06/13/2007 1:58:50 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: wolfcreek
"They’re lawyers....they’ll represent anyone."

They are lawyers, that is what they are supposed to do.

Anyway by my rough calculation, after the raid there is now about 1 million 500 thousand dollars less per year paid into social security annually.
25 posted on 06/13/2007 2:00:02 PM PDT by ndt
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Mayor Potter should be indicted!!

Well I think something a little more personal, such as a midnight swim with ted Kennedy, would be in order.

26 posted on 06/13/2007 2:00:37 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: ndt
Elderly people might have a problem with a stolen SS# as well. Bummer to have your health compromised because someone is running up credit on your SS#.

No matter how you cut it, it’s a bad deal for elderly illegals who will not get the SS they’re entitled to and those how get shafted before they come out of the starting blocks or after they’ve passed the finish line.

It’s just so dishonorable — not good. Really not good.

27 posted on 06/13/2007 2:02:08 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
"The only problem I can see is using a “child’s” social security number to open a line of credit."

That is a different issue and clearly would be theft. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that working on a stolen SS# is good, but it is not taking food out of anyones mouth and to try to portray it as such as in the title of the article is just disingenuous.
28 posted on 06/13/2007 2:02:48 PM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt
The article is talking about people paying taxes into the accounts, not stealing the payments.

No, the article doesn't talk about that at all. What the hell are you reading? The article is talking about illegals stealing the social security numbers of the elderly (and others). Although another article today talked about illegals getting welfare and other bennies BECAUSE they stole the numbers.

And millions of us pay into accounts we'll never collect on.

29 posted on 06/13/2007 2:02:48 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici
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To: radar101

No problem, as soon as jorge and ted, and gramnesty get the bill past all will be forgiven and no crime will have taken place. “sac off”


30 posted on 06/13/2007 2:03:19 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Mamzelle

I doubt it. The thieves would first have to go thru an immigration court to be charged with violating immigration laws, then local and/or federal courts could charge them with the various crimes committed which violate either or both jurisdiction’s laws. All during this process their lawyers funded partially by the taxpayers or groups such as the ACLU will be filing appeal after appeal to get their release back into the general population on humanitarian grounds & other dubious, irrational legal claims. BTW, their is a backlog of 600,000 cases in the immigration courts, so it might be some time before individual cases are heard. For those who conspired to commit mass identity fraud or have other felony convictions an expedited method can be used to get them thru the courts, but if that is true why did they not go thru that same process the first time they were detained for a criminal act. Answer, in many cases the local arresting authority does not report the incident of crime to ICE and/or ICE does not have sufficient manpower to cover all the volume of violations. In addition, sanctuary localities do not even attempt much of the time to report such crimes to ICE, unless they have to do with more serious crimes such as drug smuggling in which case FBI normally takes jurisdiction.

BTW, here is a list of sanctuary cities for the USA. http://ojjpac.org/sanctuary.asp


31 posted on 06/13/2007 2:03:20 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: Sister_T

Portland is a SANCTUARY CITY


32 posted on 06/13/2007 2:03:39 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged BuildsCharacter! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: VeniVidiVici
"No, the article doesn't talk about that at all. What the hell are you reading?"

Undocumented workers working on stolen SS#s. What the heck do you think they use the SS#s for? The employer withholds SS taxes.

Have you ever worked in a place where SS put money into your payroll check? I think not.
33 posted on 06/13/2007 2:05:00 PM PDT by ndt
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To: radar101
The favorable portrait of honest and hard-working illegal immigrants who simply want to feed their families was shattered when federal agents arrested dozens of undocumented workers using dead and elderly Americans’ Social Security numbers along with previously deported criminals at an Oregon food processing plant.

I never heard that stereotype. What was he smoking when he wrote that?

34 posted on 06/13/2007 2:08:30 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ndt
Theft? Hey listen, if you want to pay my taxes for me feel free.

So someone shows income attached to your social security number, puts you in a higher tax bracket (you're now making almost double). They claim 10 deductions, have nothing or almost nothing taken out. You are saying you're more than happy to pay the rest of this increased income tax?

35 posted on 06/13/2007 2:08:41 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: gpapa
CIVIL liability, not criminal.

You can sue a thief, a trespasser, a batterer or assault-er--it's what they did to OJ after the criminal courts failed. It's called an "intentional tort". Check your homeowner's policy--you're not insured for an intentional tort. You can't punch a guest in the nose and expect your insurance to cover you.

And there's such a thing as being complicit in an intentional tort--like aiding a dangerous trespasser, helping (or seeming to help) someone to get false ID--

I've wondered if ranchers on the border could go after those who help illegals trespass and trash up their property...like these do-goody church leaders.

36 posted on 06/13/2007 2:09:27 PM PDT by Mamzelle ("Mr. Elite Pro-Amnesty Republican--has your family ever employed illegal labor?")
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To: radar101

honest and hard-working illegal immigrants who simply want to feed their families....

:o)


37 posted on 06/13/2007 2:10:04 PM PDT by traumer
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To: ndt

How magnanimous of them. They were even willing to commit federal felonies to do their random acts of kindness.

I suppose that’s just peachy with you, huh?


38 posted on 06/13/2007 2:10:17 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: ndt
The article is talking about people paying taxes into the accounts, not stealing the payments.

You don't know anything about income taxes do you? You just think since they're paying into your social security all is well.

If they use your number, they are qualifying for earned income credit, they even get more out than they paid in.

39 posted on 06/13/2007 2:11:22 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: ndt
"Illegal immigrants paying social security taxes into accounts they will never be able to collect, thereby subsidizing a system that is in danger of collapsing"

Great trade off for all the welfare, food stamps, health care, and education they cost us, not to mention the gang and drug issues and clogging up our criminal justice system.

40 posted on 06/13/2007 2:12:23 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ndt

You must know that the US is seeking to establish Social Security Totalization with Mexico.

Please refer to the following:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back904.html
from the article:
“Legal status = clean slate. Social Security permits foreign nationals to work many years illegally with one or more fraudulently obtained Social Security numbers, acquire legal status (e.g. through an amnesty or marriage to a U.S. citizen), obtain a valid SSN, and then request that his or her prior earnings credits be moved to the new number.

At that point SSA must do painstaking research to extract the earnings records accumulated using fictitious or fraudulently obtained Social Security numbers. Often those records reside in an Earnings Suspense File (ESF) that is used when wages cannot be posted to earners’ records because of name and number mismatches. As of July 2002 the ESF contained wage items totaling about $374 billion. Figure 1 depicts the enormous growth of the Earnings Suspense File in the last two decades, coincident with massive illegal immigration to the United States.

Other times the former illegal worker’s earnings credits reside on a SSN record assigned to another individual. This occurs when the illegal worker has committed identity theft by not just stealing a Social Security number but also appropriating the proper owner’s name as well.

The illegal’s slate is wiped clean and all the years worked under one or more fraudulent numbers and/or identities are counted toward the 10 years it takes to vest for full Social Security benefits based upon one’s earning history.21

In so doing, the SSA ignores the fact that document fraud and identity theft are felonies that can result in prison sentences if committed by an American citizen.”

See also:
http://digg.com/politics/Social_Security_billions_could_go_to_Mexicans_2


41 posted on 06/13/2007 2:13:40 PM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
No matter how you cut it, it’s a bad deal for elderly illegals who will not get the SS they’re entitled to and those how get shafted before they come out of the starting blocks or after they’ve passed the finish line.

A bad deal for elderly illegals entitled to SS? They're not entitled to it if they're not citizens, IMO. Too bad for them. They know they're here breaking the law. Let them live with the consequences.

42 posted on 06/13/2007 2:15:19 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ndt

>>The article is talking about people paying taxes into the accounts, not stealing the payments.<<<

No, the article is talking about identity theft and fraud. You can put as much lipstick on that pig as you want, but it’s still going to squeal when you smack it in the rear.

The article is also talking about enabling people to stay here illegally and drain community and local resources. To steal from hospitals, use public facilities, and drive down the wages of those who would normally be living and working there.

Bottomline: if you or I did this, we’d be in jail.

(And what if they took those forged social security numbers and ran someone’s credit score through the mud?)


43 posted on 06/13/2007 2:15:24 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: ozarkgirl
"So someone shows income attached to your social security number, puts you in a higher tax bracket (you're now making almost double)."

The IRS has telephones to clear this kind of thing up. You would not be required to pay, just provide evidence that you don't flip burgers in Ohio and Los Angeles at the same time.

"They claim 10 deductions"

I could be mistaken, but I don't think you can use exemptions to get out of SS taxes.
44 posted on 06/13/2007 2:15:37 PM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt

so tell us how much more would be paid in if businesses were unable to pay dirt cheap wages to illegals and had to pay market driven wages to American workers instead?


45 posted on 06/13/2007 2:16:21 PM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: ozarkgirl
"If they use your number, they are qualifying for earned income credit, they even get more out than they paid in."

They would have to file taxes to get it. You don't think two 1040s are going to show up on the radar?
46 posted on 06/13/2007 2:17:51 PM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt
I could be mistaken, but I don't think you can use exemptions to get out of SS taxes.

I'm talking income taxes, not medicare and FICA. Also, fine, let them use your number, you're liable for the extra income taxes, all you gotta do is make one little call to the IRS and it's all cleared up right? They don't keep sending you bills, adding fines and such? So EASY to take care of. On top of that, they use your good credit and SS # to get a credit card, I'm sure one little call will take care of that little problem as well. Surely wouldn't ruin your credit when they use that credit card, run it up, don't pay. All you gotta do is call the credit agencies and say "it wasn't me" and it will all be taken care of.

I find it ironic your home page shows "Darwin Central" as a link, quite amusing I think.

47 posted on 06/13/2007 2:19:12 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: metmom
"Great trade off for all the welfare, food stamps, health care, and education"

And those services are paid for by... taxes thats right, the very things we are talking about them paying.

Depending on which of several studies you choose to read, it is a net benefit.
48 posted on 06/13/2007 2:19:23 PM PDT by ndt
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To: SCHROLL
"so tell us how much more would be paid in if businesses were unable to pay dirt cheap wages to illegals and had to pay market driven wages to American workers instead?"

I assumed a $10 an hour wage, what would you consider market driven wages?
49 posted on 06/13/2007 2:20:25 PM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt
The article is talking about people paying taxes into the accounts, not stealing the payments.

Really? I could swear it was talking about IDENTITY THEFT...A FELONY.

On top of that, if they have a SS #, they file for earned income credit, which pays them more than anything paid into social securty.

50 posted on 06/13/2007 2:21:19 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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