Skip to comments.Illegal Immigrants Steal Social Securities Of Elderly, Dead
Posted on 06/13/2007 1:34:56 PM PDT by radar101
The favorable portrait of honest and hard-working illegal immigrants who simply want to feed their families was shattered when federal agents arrested dozens of undocumented workers using dead and elderly Americans Social Security numbers along with previously deported criminals at an Oregon food processing plant.
More than 165 undocumented workers were arrested in the raid at a major Portland fruit and vegetable processing plant for food giant Del Monte. At least 90 employees had fraudulent Social Security cards and many used the real Social Securities of juveniles, the elderly and the deceased. Others had fake green, or residency, cards and at least three are convicted felons who had been previously deported.
The previously deported criminal illegal immigrants had been convicted in U.S. courts with crimes ranging from possession of heroin to identity theft and possession of counterfeit alien registration documents.
Immigration authorities launched an investigation into the plant a few months ago when a check of employee records pointed that only 48 of the nearly 600 plant workers had valid Social Security numbers. Because the plant staff varies according to seasonal employment changes, only 165 illegal aliens were arrested in this weeks raid.
Portland Mayor Tom Potter was outraged by the immigration raid, saying that it is bad policy for federal officials to go after local workers who are in his city to support their families while filling the demands of local businesses. He immediately issued a written statement expressing his anger and referring to the illegal immigrants as Portland residents.
Mayor Potter should be indicted!!
I should go to Portland, speed in my car and tell Portland Mayor Tom that I was in a hurry to get out of town to buy food for my family.
You know Tom, if you don’t like the feds in your town, feel free to give back any money you get from them.
Just doing the fraud Americans refuse to do...
This problem will go away with the Amnesty bill and the Totalization Agreement between the US and Mexico because at that point, all these illegals, after becoming legal, will be retroactively eligible for Social Security themselves so they won’t have to steal someone else’s.
Uh, Mayor Tom? Before I forget - just how many people in your town are drawing welfare checks - because I’m sure those illegal workers can be replaced with those individuals in NO time.
Can’t the victims of identity theft take Del Monte to court for an “intentional tort” of fraud/theft?
Hey its just Illegal Felons doing the work American Felons don’t want to do!
Can’t wait for the ACLU to come in on this and defend deported Felons who are not deported...UH, and how do YOU do that? Uh, do you defend them first and then deport them or do you deport them and then ask them to come back for their defense?
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Fine the processing plant $10,000 for each hiring violation....
Well, maybe you can work out a deal with a coyote to lend your number.
What a moron!! These people steal social security from AMERICAN citizens and he's angry at those enforcing the law and rounding up the criminals?!? What about those citizens that are getting ripped off by "his residents"? WTHeck!
The governments at all levels really, really, needs to enforce existing law.
Just what is so hard about that concept?
What about those citizens that are getting ripped off by “his residents”?
Haven’t you figured it out yet? THEY DON’T COUNT!!!! They are just citizens, not the same as those poor, noble, hard working illegals. The citizens deserve to be ripped off.
They’re lawyers....they’ll represent anyone.
I was looking for current immigration law and they just kept poping up.
552 invaders/con-men/scam artists/identity theft/ criminals working there? Unfrigginbelievable!
Portland is a gorgeous city , .. too bad
however , .. glad I don’t live there anymore ,.. I live in a place that is much less “leftie-controlled”
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The only problem I can see is using a “child’s” social security number to open a line of credit. What a surprise it will be to children upon reaching their majority to find out they are already in bankruptcy. Now THAT would be a bummer. As to paying SS and taxes under the SS#, I can see where you might not care — it’s that credit background check you can’t get a job without that gives me pause.
Well I think something a little more personal, such as a midnight swim with ted Kennedy, would be in order.
No matter how you cut it, it’s a bad deal for elderly illegals who will not get the SS they’re entitled to and those how get shafted before they come out of the starting blocks or after they’ve passed the finish line.
It’s just so dishonorable — not good. Really not good.
No, the article doesn't talk about that at all. What the hell are you reading? The article is talking about illegals stealing the social security numbers of the elderly (and others). Although another article today talked about illegals getting welfare and other bennies BECAUSE they stole the numbers.
And millions of us pay into accounts we'll never collect on.
No problem, as soon as jorge and ted, and gramnesty get the bill past all will be forgiven and no crime will have taken place. âsac offâ
I doubt it. The thieves would first have to go thru an immigration court to be charged with violating immigration laws, then local and/or federal courts could charge them with the various crimes committed which violate either or both jurisdiction’s laws. All during this process their lawyers funded partially by the taxpayers or groups such as the ACLU will be filing appeal after appeal to get their release back into the general population on humanitarian grounds & other dubious, irrational legal claims. BTW, their is a backlog of 600,000 cases in the immigration courts, so it might be some time before individual cases are heard. For those who conspired to commit mass identity fraud or have other felony convictions an expedited method can be used to get them thru the courts, but if that is true why did they not go thru that same process the first time they were detained for a criminal act. Answer, in many cases the local arresting authority does not report the incident of crime to ICE and/or ICE does not have sufficient manpower to cover all the volume of violations. In addition, sanctuary localities do not even attempt much of the time to report such crimes to ICE, unless they have to do with more serious crimes such as drug smuggling in which case FBI normally takes jurisdiction.
BTW, here is a list of sanctuary cities for the USA. http://ojjpac.org/sanctuary.asp
Portland is a SANCTUARY CITY
I never heard that stereotype. What was he smoking when he wrote that?
So someone shows income attached to your social security number, puts you in a higher tax bracket (you're now making almost double). They claim 10 deductions, have nothing or almost nothing taken out. You are saying you're more than happy to pay the rest of this increased income tax?
You can sue a thief, a trespasser, a batterer or assault-er--it's what they did to OJ after the criminal courts failed. It's called an "intentional tort". Check your homeowner's policy--you're not insured for an intentional tort. You can't punch a guest in the nose and expect your insurance to cover you.
And there's such a thing as being complicit in an intentional tort--like aiding a dangerous trespasser, helping (or seeming to help) someone to get false ID--
I've wondered if ranchers on the border could go after those who help illegals trespass and trash up their property...like these do-goody church leaders.
honest and hard-working illegal immigrants who simply want to feed their families....
How magnanimous of them. They were even willing to commit federal felonies to do their random acts of kindness.
I suppose that’s just peachy with you, huh?
You don't know anything about income taxes do you? You just think since they're paying into your social security all is well.
If they use your number, they are qualifying for earned income credit, they even get more out than they paid in.
Great trade off for all the welfare, food stamps, health care, and education they cost us, not to mention the gang and drug issues and clogging up our criminal justice system.
You must know that the US is seeking to establish Social Security Totalization with Mexico.
Please refer to the following:
from the article:
“Legal status = clean slate. Social Security permits foreign nationals to work many years illegally with one or more fraudulently obtained Social Security numbers, acquire legal status (e.g. through an amnesty or marriage to a U.S. citizen), obtain a valid SSN, and then request that his or her prior earnings credits be moved to the new number.
At that point SSA must do painstaking research to extract the earnings records accumulated using fictitious or fraudulently obtained Social Security numbers. Often those records reside in an Earnings Suspense File (ESF) that is used when wages cannot be posted to earners records because of name and number mismatches. As of July 2002 the ESF contained wage items totaling about $374 billion. Figure 1 depicts the enormous growth of the Earnings Suspense File in the last two decades, coincident with massive illegal immigration to the United States.
Other times the former illegal workers earnings credits reside on a SSN record assigned to another individual. This occurs when the illegal worker has committed identity theft by not just stealing a Social Security number but also appropriating the proper owners name as well.
The illegals slate is wiped clean and all the years worked under one or more fraudulent numbers and/or identities are counted toward the 10 years it takes to vest for full Social Security benefits based upon ones earning history.21
In so doing, the SSA ignores the fact that document fraud and identity theft are felonies that can result in prison sentences if committed by an American citizen.”
A bad deal for elderly illegals entitled to SS? They're not entitled to it if they're not citizens, IMO. Too bad for them. They know they're here breaking the law. Let them live with the consequences.
>>The article is talking about people paying taxes into the accounts, not stealing the payments.<<<
No, the article is talking about identity theft and fraud. You can put as much lipstick on that pig as you want, but it’s still going to squeal when you smack it in the rear.
The article is also talking about enabling people to stay here illegally and drain community and local resources. To steal from hospitals, use public facilities, and drive down the wages of those who would normally be living and working there.
Bottomline: if you or I did this, we’d be in jail.
(And what if they took those forged social security numbers and ran someone’s credit score through the mud?)
so tell us how much more would be paid in if businesses were unable to pay dirt cheap wages to illegals and had to pay market driven wages to American workers instead?
I'm talking income taxes, not medicare and FICA. Also, fine, let them use your number, you're liable for the extra income taxes, all you gotta do is make one little call to the IRS and it's all cleared up right? They don't keep sending you bills, adding fines and such? So EASY to take care of. On top of that, they use your good credit and SS # to get a credit card, I'm sure one little call will take care of that little problem as well. Surely wouldn't ruin your credit when they use that credit card, run it up, don't pay. All you gotta do is call the credit agencies and say "it wasn't me" and it will all be taken care of.
I find it ironic your home page shows "Darwin Central" as a link, quite amusing I think.
Really? I could swear it was talking about IDENTITY THEFT...A FELONY.
On top of that, if they have a SS #, they file for earned income credit, which pays them more than anything paid into social securty.
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