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BERKELEY - Council passes plan to stop bad street behavior
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Wednesday, June 13, 2007 | carolyn Jones

Posted on 06/13/2007 2:56:18 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

BERKELEY

Council passes plan to stop bad street behavior

Carolyn Jones, Chronicle Staff Writer

Wednesday, June 13, 2007

Berkeley's City Council voted unanimously Tuesday night to pass most of a sweeping plan to clear the streets of aggressive and disruptive behavior.

The Public Commons for Everyone Initiative passed 9-0 after months of debate among the council, homeless advocates, merchants and residents. The council instructed City Manager Phil Kamlarz to develop details of the implementation, which he will bring back to the council for further approval.

"This is a tolerant and caring community, but we do have our boundaries,'' said Mayor Tom Bates, the legislation's sponsor. "As a small city, we can never solve the drug and alcohol problems that play out on our streets, but this is one thing we can do."

The initiative cracks down on a wide range of behavior that some say make Berkeley's streets inhospitable to residents and visitors alike. Among the activities that will be banned are smoking near buildings in commercial areas, lying on the sidewalk, public urination and defecation, drinking in public, possessing a shopping cart and shouting in public.

The initiative is expected to go into effect late this year.

It is meant to expand portions of Bates' Telegraph Avenue revitalization plan across the city, especially downtown and the northern end of Shattuck Avenue, where merchants, residents and visitors have been complaining for years about disruptive street behavior.

While Berkeley has an array of services for its 800 or so homeless people, many refuse to participate or are not reached by social workers. The initiative is meant to force this group into counseling and rehabilitation through the criminal justice and social service systems.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: berkeley; berzerkely; beserkeley; california; hypocrisy; karma; leftcoast; liberals; nannystate; ratcrime; sanfranciscovalues
Hypocrites! These left coast limousine liberals should be compelled to live among the social misfits that their left-wing liberal policies nurture and create.

When I first saw this headline, I immediately thought that the "bad street behavior" that Berkeley is trying to stop would include waving the American flag, rendering salutes among Boy Scouts and parades featuring veterans from the VFW and the American Legion.

Berkeley is a warped town. It is so warped that it acts as a sinking anchor tied around the neck of a California that is treading water.

1 posted on 06/13/2007 2:56:23 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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I wonder if Berkeley’s new ordinance would ban any of the “bad street behavior” that has been documented in Berkeley by zombietime?

Check out:

http://www.zombietime.com/


2 posted on 06/13/2007 2:58:07 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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I wonder if Berkeley’s new ordinance would ban any of the “bad street behavior” that has been documented in Berkeley by zombietime?

Check out:

http://www.zombietime.com/


3 posted on 06/13/2007 2:58:28 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER
"This is a tolerant and caring community, but we do have our boundaries"

Now I've heard it all...

4 posted on 06/13/2007 2:59:25 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Thompson Time!")
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To: DogByte6RER

I’m glad they are doing to stop their bad behavior, but if they were behaving badly in the streets, then why did the voters elect them in the first place.


5 posted on 06/13/2007 3:03:32 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: DogByte6RER
Among the activities that will be banned are smoking near buildings in commercial areas, lying on the sidewalk, public urination and defecation, drinking in public, possessing a shopping cart and shouting in public.

I thought these, other than smoking, would be fine with the tolerant, rights-loving folks of Berkeley. Now it looks as if they are a bunch of Nazis compared to how they used to be. Let's all chip in and hire the ACLU to go after them.

6 posted on 06/13/2007 3:07:01 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Presumably, public shooting up and copulating would be OK.


7 posted on 06/13/2007 3:10:44 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: attiladhun2

probably hetero activity would be frowned upon. but public homosexual behavior would be ok.


8 posted on 06/13/2007 3:15:28 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Right Wing Assault
"Let's all chip in and hire the ACLU to go after them." Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket That would be great! Nothing is more fun than watching liberals cannibalize themselves.
9 posted on 06/13/2007 3:15:53 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER
Among the activities that will be banned are ... shouting in public.

Mario Savio is deeply saddened today.


I think we can officially declare that today is the end of the Free Speech movement in Berkeley.

10 posted on 06/13/2007 3:16:02 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: DogByte6RER

ok, first of all, i can’t believe they are only now banning public urination, considering it is illegal everywhere else in America. And, also, I don’t get the point of shopping carts being banned.


11 posted on 06/13/2007 3:19:01 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: DogByte6RER

“The initiative cracks down on a wide range of behavior that some say make Berkeley’s streets inhospitable to residents and visitors alike. Among the activities that will be banned are smoking near buildings in commercial areas, lying on the sidewalk, public urination and defecation, drinking in public, possessing a shopping cart and shouting in public. “

Except for the defecation, I experienced all of these in about a 15 minutes time span walking around a single block in Berkeley. I was also treated to an assault by a homeless person who hadn’t bathed in a good 6 months and various forms of drug use, including someone shooting up with a needle between 2 buildings.


12 posted on 06/13/2007 3:21:35 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: attiladhun2

For a place that considers itself to be the center of the civilized world and progressive thinking, it was as if I was at the gates of hell. What sad, pathetic lives these people live. No wonder they are so angry at the world and all the normal people who in it.


13 posted on 06/13/2007 3:26:32 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: DogByte6RER

There’s plenty of “bad street behavior”, here in Houston.

On many of the main intersections, there are homeless persons “working” the corners. They approach autos stopped in traffic and at traffic lights. They are either bummin’ for money, wanting to “clean” your windshield, sell bottled water, sell flowers, etc. etc. Some hand out printed notes, telling you how much they need money. Some carry signs like “God Bless You”. It is disgusting.

Here’s what I do. On my printer, in very large print, I printed these 4 appropriate remarks: No, Back Off, Calling Cops, Stop.

I pasted these words on the 4 sides of an empty Kleenix box. And I keep the box/4-sided side in my front seat.

Whenever one of the bums approach my car, I flash an appropriate NO or STOP. Most of them laugh, some do not. But they get the idea.

It gives me something to do; some way to fight back. Otherwise, I could get depressed, feel victimized, overrun, etc. etc.

It has been a very liberating exercise.


14 posted on 06/13/2007 3:28:30 PM PDT by i_dont_chat
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To: DogByte6RER

It seems to want to violate the civil rights of the homeless.


15 posted on 06/13/2007 3:29:45 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: DogByte6RER
What is the world coming to when a fellow can’t leave a steaming loaf on the sidewalk any more.
16 posted on 06/13/2007 3:39:14 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: DogByte6RER

“Among the activities that will be banned are smoking near buildings in commercial areas, lying on the sidewalk, public urination and defecation, drinking in public, possessing a shopping cart and shouting in public.”

This from the same people who lie to themselves at night when they get ready to go to bed?


17 posted on 06/13/2007 3:57:36 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

No doubt public urination and defecation were considered “political speech” by these folks when they were younger. Now, it is just considered smelly and messy. Old folks tend to get more ‘conservative’.

They will probably need an amendment that allow it as long as it is aimed at a picture of President Bush.


18 posted on 06/13/2007 5:09:07 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: i_dont_chat

I bet you could sell these “No, Back Off, Calling Cops, Stop” boxes. For the high-tech folks, an electronic version would be good.


19 posted on 06/13/2007 5:11:33 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault

You said:
I bet you could sell these “No, Back Off, Calling Cops, Stop” boxes. For the high-tech folks, an electronic version would be good.

Yes, I’ve made some for my friends. Just LOVE ‘em.


20 posted on 06/13/2007 7:09:39 PM PDT by i_dont_chat
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To: DogByte6RER
Unfortunately I have a niece going to school at Berkeley...and she...being a mushed brain kid..is being brain-washed.

Sigh..........

21 posted on 06/13/2007 7:12:50 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I'm a man...I can change...If I want to...MAYBE.)
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To: DogByte6RER; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; ...
Among the activities that will be banned are smoking near buildings in commercial areas, lying on the sidewalk, public urination and defecation, drinking in public, possessing a shopping cart and shouting in public.

Nanny State PING.......

If they didn't kick smokers out to the curb maybe they wouldn't be having some of these problems.

22 posted on 06/13/2007 7:15:51 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: Gabz
possessing a shopping cart

Today I saw an employee at Family Dollar assembling a shopping cart for a customer who had just purchased it. I hope she doesn't get caught using it.

23 posted on 06/13/2007 7:18:50 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Quisling Eye For The Treasonous Guy, now playing at a theater near you ~ )
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To: BykrBayb

Oh good grief, I was thinking of supermarket shopping carts, I forgot about the ones you are talking about and I saw a bunch of them being purchased at Family Dollar just last week.........in fact I was planning on getting one this weekend. Thankfully I live in Virginia, not Berzerkley.


24 posted on 06/13/2007 7:22:36 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: DogByte6RER
"Berkeley is a warped town. It is so warped that it acts as a sinking anchor tied around the neck of a California that is treading water."

Actually, Berzerkeley has become nothing more than comic relief for the tourists.

25 posted on 06/13/2007 7:28:12 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: attiladhun2
"Presumably, public shooting up and copulating would be OK"

As long as it is confined to Strawberry Hill. ;o)

26 posted on 06/13/2007 7:30:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: DogByte6RER

What?!?! They’re going to ban public defecation? What Nazis.


27 posted on 06/13/2007 7:51:03 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Gabz

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 06/13/2007 8:26:12 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: AzaleaCity5691
And, also, I don’t get the point of shopping carts being banned.

That is where they keep their "possessions". Clothes cans to recycle, food...whatever. It serves as their portable "home". If they are banned, then the homeless can't bring their possessions into the area. Those possessions will be at the mercy of other homeless and most likely vanish. So basically anyone with anything to lose in a car won't go into the area.

Like a ban will stop them...

29 posted on 06/14/2007 2:58:38 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Michael.SF.

Berkeley is a honey pot for misfits and sponges. You just can’t pick and choose who sucks at the tit. Pass the popcorn. This should be a riot. Literally.


30 posted on 06/14/2007 3:04:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: All

Smoking near buildings in commercial areas,
Of all thing to worry about


31 posted on 06/14/2007 3:07:22 AM PDT by sonic109
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To: Gabz
Not for nothing, but I don't think smokers are the one's lying on the sidewalk befouling themselves while drinking and shouting.

Unless of course, it's Saturday night...

32 posted on 06/14/2007 3:14:28 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: DogByte6RER

Last year, George Beier ran for Berkeley City Council from District 7 on just this platform. He proposed to clean up the streets, eliminate sleeping in public places, crack down on crime and aggressive behavior by the homeless, and streamline business permitting in the Telegraph Avenue area.

He lost a close race against one of Berkeley’s old-line professional politicians. It looks like the City Council got the message, and is implementing his platform lock, stock and barrel.

I put this one in the “Win” column, even though Beier lost.


33 posted on 06/14/2007 6:14:43 AM PDT by gridlock
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To: editor-surveyor
As long as it is confined to Strawberry Hill. ;o)

Oh, so you know what "The Big C" refers to...

34 posted on 06/14/2007 6:19:16 AM PDT by gridlock
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To: sonic109
Smoking near buildings in commercial areas,... Of all thing to worry about

Back when this package was opposed I joked that the wildly popular ban on public smoking was going to be used to run interference for the much more controversial ban on public defecation.

Moral of the Story: It is impossible to joke about Berkeley, California.

35 posted on 06/14/2007 6:22:50 AM PDT by gridlock
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To: DogByte6RER
BERKELEY: Street behavior law draws some unruly remarks
The idea is to clean up the city's image -- but reactions, of course, are mainly mixed --

36 posted on 06/14/2007 8:14:01 AM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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