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The Inside Story On What's Happening With The Senate Immigration Bill(NOT GOOD)
Right Wing News ^ | 14 JUNE 2007 | John Hawkins

Posted on 06/14/2007 6:16:04 AM PDT by radar101

Yesterday, a GOP aide, who is one of my sources in the Senate, gave me the rundown on what's happening with the Senate immigration bill (this is the same person who I talked to last week about the bill).

First off, it does look like the Senate immigration bill is coming back. The conventional wisdom seems to be that it's going to be brought up right before the July 4th break, so that the Senate Republican leadership can try to use that as leverage to get votes (in other words, "vote for the bill or we'll have to waste your vacation time until you do").

This is despite the fact that the conservative leaders of the anti-amnesty movement are refusing to cooperate, and won't give Mitch McConnell a list of amendments that they want considered. My source tells me that the reason for this is that the game has now been rigged. McConnell is essentially promising to bring the amendments up in exchange for cloture votes, but he's publicly saying that they will strip any problematic amendments out in committee.

In other words, if the bill gets through the Senate and the House, the Democrats and the open borders Republicans will work together when the bills have to be reconciled in committee to strip out any amendments that the "grand bargainers" don't like. Therefore, at this point, it doesn't matter what amendments pass, because any tough enforcement provisions that slip through will be rendered toothless when the bills are reconciled.

My source also noted that the cloture vote to end debate will be the "real" vote on the bill because if debate is closed off, the bill is sure to pass. Then, what will happen is that the votes for the bill will be counted, and a few Senators who are afraid that their election prospects will be jeopardized by a "yes" vote, will be allowed to vote against the bill. This enables those Senators to tell their constituents that they voted against the bill, but it will still allow them to collect campaign contributions from lobbyists who have a better understanding of how things work, and know that the bill couldn't have been passed without their support. Put another way, they get to reap the rewards of supporting amnesty while telling the voters in their home states that they opposed the bill.

My source also let me know that the White House and the Senate leadership, and Trent Lott in particular, are pushing very hard for this bill.

I asked my source to speculate on why Lott was pushing so hard, and he said that Lott may be naive enough to think that this bill might help John McCain's presidential campaign. He told me that despite McCain's dip in the polls since the bill hit the news, it was hard to miss the fact that the biggest supporters of this bill in the Senate, Jon Kyl, Trent Lott, and Lindsey Graham, are all solidly behind McCain in '08.

Before we finished up, I asked my source what he thought the prospects of passage were. He stated that it was a toss up, but that the pro-amnesty side had the momentum. I asked how that could possibly be given the outpouring of anger against this bill, and he told me that a lot of moderates were afraid of being called racists by people like Michael Chertoff, Luis Gutierrez, and Fred Barnes. He also noted that the Senate has a very insulated, clubhouse like atmosphere, and that a lot of these pro-amnesty Senators seem to be more worried about getting the President or Trent Lott mad at them than enraging the voters in their states. In addition, he told me that he thinks a lot of these Senators have "drunk the DC Kool-Aid", and believe that they're better off passing a bad bill, even one that won't ultimately become law if, as expected, the House kills it, so that they can at least tell the voters in 2008 that they did something about immigration.

PS #1: I asked my source what his boss thought the fallout from this bill would be. He advised me that his boss, and some of his boss's conservative colleagues in the Senate, believe that this bill could gin up so much outrage on the right that it could lead to the GOP having an even worse year in 2008 than they did in 2006. As is, conservatives are disillusioned and unmotivated, and he thinks this bill will make things much worse if it passes the Senate.

PS #2: Another question I had for my source was whether he thought Harry Reid wanted this bill to pass. He replied that he thought Rush Limbaugh was right, and that Harry Reid would prefer to see this bill go away. As evidence for that, he pointed to Reid bringing Byron Dorgan's killer Amendment back three times. He also said that if Reid had really wanted the bill to pass, he would have kept it on the floor for another 2-3 days. At this point though, he said that Reid is probably content to let it come back because after the President's high profile lobbying, he can pin the blame for the bill on Republicans.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; arrogantrinos; deafrino; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; rinos; scaretactics; sellouts; vampirebill
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1 posted on 06/14/2007 6:16:08 AM PDT by radar101
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To: radar101

2 posted on 06/14/2007 6:19:26 AM PDT by xcamel ("It's Thompson Time!")
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To: radar101

Time for Lott to go.


3 posted on 06/14/2007 6:19:52 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: radar101

We cannot rest on this one! But, we still need to remember that our prayers are heard by a God who understands, so let’s also not forget to pray.


4 posted on 06/14/2007 6:20:10 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: radar101
The ruling class WILL have its way!
5 posted on 06/14/2007 6:21:09 AM PDT by Roccus (People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient....then repent.)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

OMG, just what I thought. What a bunch of traitorous criminals.

They have no sense of decency and they have destroyed America’s sovereignty.


6 posted on 06/14/2007 6:22:49 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: xcamel

TERM LIMITS!!!!


7 posted on 06/14/2007 6:22:57 AM PDT by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABELER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: radar101

‘I asked my source to speculate on why Lott was pushing so hard, and he said that Lott may be naive enough to think that this bill might help John McCain’s presidential campaign. He told me that despite McCain’s dip in the polls since the bill hit the news, it was hard to miss the fact that the biggest supporters of this bill in the Senate, Jon Kyl, Trent Lott, and Lindsey Graham, are all solidly behind McCain in ‘08. ‘

Trent Lott is simply a moron. This is the guy that spent decades trying to reinstate Jefferson Davis’s citizenship, against the expressed wishes of Jefferson Davis himself.

Think about that for a moment.....


8 posted on 06/14/2007 6:23:29 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: radar101
In other words, if the bill gets through the Senate and the House, the Democrats and the open borders Republicans will work together when the bills have to be reconciled in committee to strip out any amendments that the "grand bargainers" don't like. Therefore, at this point, it doesn't matter what amendments pass, because any tough enforcement provisions that slip through will be rendered toothless when the bills are reconciled.

Arrogant bastards!

9 posted on 06/14/2007 6:23:40 AM PDT by 50mm (Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist - G. Carlin)
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To: Shery

Always extremely important to pray, but now it is even more so, if that is possible. When the stuff hits the fan, as it now has, sometimes we get distracted and forget. Thanks for the reminder.


10 posted on 06/14/2007 6:24:18 AM PDT by twonie (Keep your guns - and stockpile ammo.)
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To: radar101

Your report jibes with what I have been hearing.


11 posted on 06/14/2007 6:24:38 AM PDT by kabar
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To: radar101
If it can be killed in the House then this will be a great campaign tool for the Republicans. States like Washington and Oregon and other rust belt states with Dem Senators who vote for this will be very vulnerable I think.

Republican Senators who vote for this may lose their seat in the primaries, which is good, or in the general, which may balance out in the end. In other word we could pick up seats in borderline states like Washington and Oregon but lose seats in SC or Arizona. Either way the amnesty ideas will be one the new Senate will shun.

12 posted on 06/14/2007 6:25:00 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: Sig Sauer P220
Yes. Time to dump Lott. And time to dump Lindsey Graham, Saxby Chambliss, Johnny Isakson, John McCain--and George W. Bush!

Throw the bums out!

13 posted on 06/14/2007 6:25:02 AM PDT by Savage Beast (A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.~Durant)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

Mississippi has a fine Governor who could replace this pile. I would rather not see Brbour in the Senate but in the White House but maybe his role is Senator.


14 posted on 06/14/2007 6:27:27 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: radar101
Soon the pledge will be as follows:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the North American Union, and to the Corporate Monarchy for which it stands. One union, under Royals, with liberty and justice for your station in life.

15 posted on 06/14/2007 6:27:34 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: ghostrider

As another poster alluded, perhaps these nobels have been promised titles in their states and Mexico in exchange for crushing the rebellion.


16 posted on 06/14/2007 6:29:27 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: nativist

If the bill passes, it is game, set and match. It matters not what future Senates do. We will have legalized the status of 12 to 20 million people, which will effectively sow the seeds of our own destruction. You can’t unring a bell.


17 posted on 06/14/2007 6:31:05 AM PDT by kabar
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To: radar101

bttt


18 posted on 06/14/2007 6:31:43 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: nativist
Short term it helps us -- but long term it makes us a permanent minority -- it means conservatives will have no leverage whatsoever, forever! Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Virginia, Nevada-- have all been going from red to blue because of immigration, this bill would accelerate that. How can the idiots in the Senate not see that?
19 posted on 06/14/2007 6:32:16 AM PDT by justanotherfreeper
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To: kabar
If it passes the Senate but not in the House is what I was referring to.
20 posted on 06/14/2007 6:33:24 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: radar101

-— I asked how that could possibly be given the outpouring of anger against this bill, and he told me that a lot of moderates were afraid of being called racists by people like Michael Chertoff, Luis Gutierrez, and Fred Barnes.-—

Fred Barnes? :^)


21 posted on 06/14/2007 6:34:21 AM PDT by claudiustg (I didn't leave the Republican Party. I was purged.)
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To: radar101

Why is McConnell supporting this?...Ah..his wife..Elaine Chao..nuff said..


22 posted on 06/14/2007 6:39:36 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: radar101
Jim Quinn of Quinn and Rose in the morning has a regular caller who is a Republican consultant. He reported this a.m. that the separate Senate Bill they have been talking about to fund the fence and other border security measures to try to mollify conservatives into thinking that the open borders crowd really intends to do something besides amnesty, is nothing but a big fat porker stuffed with every Senator's "wish list" of pork projects. They want the pork funding in a separate bill just in case the amnesty bill dies again and by calling it border security funding, most of the pseudo-conservatives can vote for it without taking flak from their constituents.

Aren't they clever? No end to how low they will go to try to fool us.

24 posted on 06/14/2007 6:39:47 AM PDT by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: radar101
I am so furious about this. We are being governed by a group of dictators working in the backroom! I'm fed up. I've been calling and faxing senators this morning. I finally got through Brownback's phone, but Lott is taking faxes and neither is Cornyn. I can't through on any of Cornyn's phones either...they are busy or has a message to call back later, can't even leave a message.

I am furious, I can't state that enough.

25 posted on 06/14/2007 6:39:54 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: radar101

The Grand Bargain is actually The Grand Hoodwinking

and they are still trying to push it through.

Lindsay Graham wants $4.4 billion -- loan -- to fix the problems.

Senate Republicans Work $4.4 Billion Border Security Amendment

Trent Lott says basically that promising security and many of the other add-on amendments are gimmicks and will be removed when the joint chambers meet to finalize the bill.

Bush lobbies Senate on immigration (Lott's Outrageous Comment)
26 posted on 06/14/2007 6:40:58 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: nativist
“but lose seats in SC or Arizona”

Hopefully, we will lose the Sr. Senator from Texas. She is voting in line with the McPain bunch, and telling us it is against the bill - that we just don’t understand.

I keep telling the talking heads on her phones that if she were above board and honest, it would be refreshing, and we would understand.

27 posted on 06/14/2007 6:42:44 AM PDT by momf (Remember the Alamo! Legal immigration only!!)
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To: radar101

Slimebags.


28 posted on 06/14/2007 6:43:33 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: kabar
You can’t unring a bell

Indeed... this treason has to be stopped here and now.

29 posted on 06/14/2007 6:44:21 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: radar101

How can we stop this nonsense? Already, Lott’s comments have leaked out and I would think could poison all this. We need to hit the phones of those who think they can vote an amendment they already know will be stripped out in conference.


30 posted on 06/14/2007 6:44:22 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Sig Sauer P220
Time for Lott to go.

Time for the WHOLE LOT(t) to go!

31 posted on 06/14/2007 6:45:05 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Sig Sauer P220; Badeye; Savage Beast
This is despite the fact that the conservative leaders of the anti-amnesty movement are refusing to cooperate, and won't give Mitch McConnell a list of amendments that they want considered. My source tells me that the reason for this is that the game has now been rigged. McConnell is essentially promising to bring the amendments up in exchange for cloture votes, but he's publicly saying that they will strip any problematic amendments out in committee.

In other words, if the bill gets through the Senate and the House, the Democrats and the open borders Republicans will work together when the bills have to be reconciled in committee to strip out any amendments that the "grand bargainers" don't like.

Why are you all ignoring Mitch McConnell's role in all this? I've been saying it for days. He's (surprisingly) one of the BAD guys. If Lott needs to go, so does McConnell.

32 posted on 06/14/2007 6:46:45 AM PDT by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: TomGuy

If they’ve decided to include the funding in the Bill as an amendment instead of as emergency funding in a separate Bill, then they already have the votes to pass the thing and we are wasting our time. It’s a done deal.


33 posted on 06/14/2007 6:47:08 AM PDT by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: kabar

I agree with your assessment. If this bill passes, voting, from that point, is almost a moot point, something merely to amuse us, but will mean very little.


34 posted on 06/14/2007 6:47:50 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: conservativecorner
Conservatives were had by Jorge'.

Only the ones with blinders on.

35 posted on 06/14/2007 6:48:30 AM PDT by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: YellowRoseofTx
Dial a digit or two up and down from the last four, you may get another phone in their offices. IE last four are 4335, dial 4336, 7 and 8 then try 4334, 3, and 2
36 posted on 06/14/2007 6:50:34 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: radar101

The Founding Fathers must be crying at what these mediocre clowns have done to that beautifully-designed democracy.


37 posted on 06/14/2007 6:50:44 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Badeye
‘I asked my source to speculate on why Lott was pushing so hard, and he said that Lott may be naive enough to think that this bill might help John McCain’s presidential campaign.

My God he is a moron if he doesn't see that McCain's campaign is already over. Add this abortion of an amnesty bill to CFR and it's DEAD!

Check out Lott's address in the Senate last week and his shameless sucking up to Kennedy and your blood will really boil. Here:Vacant Lott

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1846984/posts

38 posted on 06/14/2007 6:50:46 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: radar101
I asked how that could possibly be given the outpouring of anger against this bill, and he told me that a lot of moderates were afraid of being called racists by people like Michael Chertoff, Luis Gutierrez, and Fred Barnes.

Fred Barnes, give me a break, who cares what that idiot thinks? We're going to destroy the country because Fred Barnes with an IQ of 80 might not say nice things about us. That is so naive that none of these clowns have any business being in government if that's how they operate.

39 posted on 06/14/2007 6:51:10 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: radar101
"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another.."
40 posted on 06/14/2007 6:51:32 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: spectre; truthkeeper; Brad's Gramma
I didn't think I could be even more sick to my stomach...

...but I am.

41 posted on 06/14/2007 6:52:13 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Savage Beast

I’m with you...we don’t have a party anymore.


42 posted on 06/14/2007 6:53:11 AM PDT by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: radar101

Would 250,000 people on the Mall with “Security First” signs make a difference? It might get their attention since it couldn’t be ignored. Could we do it? We haven’t been able to in the past but this time seems different. I’d go (although I am in Maryland so that’s easy for me to say).


43 posted on 06/14/2007 6:53:41 AM PDT by Pete (My kid sister's first novel: Far Horizons at http://www.amazon.co.uk/)
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To: tiger-one

Thanks, I’ll try that


44 posted on 06/14/2007 6:53:46 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: kabar

I was on a conference call yesterday and found out this bill will lessen border security not stregthen it and I find that reprehensible. There is no building a real fence first with the reality fence to accompany so every last inch of the fence can be monitored and the INS can send people immediately to where there is a problem. There is also no check on who leaves the Country even though that was to be put in place in 1996. With this bill law enforcement cannot be notified.

It is a travesty and needs stopped. For those of you on here that got mad when a lot of us thought it was time for Lott to go in total, hope you are happy. We got Frist instead of Lott thanks to a backroom deal orchestrated by Frist fellow Senator from TN at the time who undermined Senator Nickles from OK who should have replaced Lott as the #2 man in the Senate. Don Nickles was someone who had a backbone. Instead we got Frist who was also spineless just like Lott and managed to get him as #2 before leaving the Senate. If Frist told me 2+2 = 4, I would have to use my calculator to verify.

I would bet we would not have lost the Senate with Don Nickles in charge because he was like Jim Inhofe and not afraid to say what was on his mind. Nothing timid about Nickles and he would have taken it to the DemocRATs. We are in this mess because we have had too many Senators try to make nice with the DemocRATs to get something past and in the meantime we lost the Majority because Frist wouldn’t stand up. It started with Clinton, Impeachment, Chinagate, etc. They caved to Clinton every time. Now the spineless Senators are at it again.

This Immigration Bill isn’t just hated by Republicans but by Independents and a lot of Dems so what is the stupid Senate doing even bringing the bill back?

When Clinton was President, Lott went to budget negotiations at the WH without Don Nickles so he could sell out knowing full well Nickles would have come out of a meeting and told the truth. Now Lott is back in power and running this bill for the President — disgusting!

I am with a campaign and one good reason I went there is that there are no Trent Lotts, Bill Frists, Karl Roves, etc. anywhere near the campaign. I learned recently from my sources in the Senate and House that Rove, et al are pushing this bill in the Senate and I want him gone from the political scene and his cronies — he did enough damage in 2006. The way he is going you would think he wants to see Hillary in the WH along with some others. Why? So Jeb can run in 2012? Any major players from any Bush campaign, I want their candidate defeated even if that person was my favorite I would jump ship rather than help put this bunch get near the WH again.

My more than two cents!


45 posted on 06/14/2007 6:54:15 AM PDT by PhiKapMom ( Inhofe for Senate 08 -- Broken Glass Republican -- vote out the RATs in 2008)
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To: Don Corleone
Time for Lott to go.

The entire state of Mississippi should feel the shame caused by Lott....Why is he still there?

I live the shame of the Perry / Dewhurst team here in Texas.... Why is Perry and Dewhurst still running Texas?

Some issues defy logic........

46 posted on 06/14/2007 6:54:52 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: AuntB; Cedric; Travis McGee; tioga; pissant; angkor

bttt


47 posted on 06/14/2007 6:57:07 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Roccus

all: feel free to cut & paste any elements of my recent email to the White House:

Although I have little hope that anyone in the administration seems to be taking note, I will continue to “vote” my displeasure (a mild word indeed) regarding how the administration is choosing to push an intellectually and politically bankrupt approach to immigration “reform”.

The approach is also morally bankrupt in that it lies about the realities of the illegal immigration situation, lies about the abject failures of the administration and Congress to address it since 9/11, and lies about the true nature of the objections being raised by millions of Americans. We are not nativist yahoos or racist rednecks, nor are we ignorant sheep who would “support the bill if we simply knew the details” (cf. Mr. Snow).

No, we are people who are opposed PRECISELY because we know the details, and we are deeply offended at the mischaracterizations of the bill’s opponents made by the administration.

The administration is still whistling in the dark, seemingly willfully ignorant of the lasting, indeed catastrophic, damage being done to its credibility among the American people.


48 posted on 06/14/2007 6:58:13 AM PDT by Tirian
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To: johnny7
Indeed... this treason has to be stopped here and now.

Once John Kerry, Hanoi Jane and bill clinton were allowed to aid the enemy during the Vietnam years, treason became politically fashionable and very profitable. Forty years of fashionable treason has allowed most of the politicians to be bought. In turn, these politicians have appointed the judiciary, who ignore the constitution and rule in favor of the Corporate Royals who have bought the country. They own the Congress, they own the courts, they own law enforcement and they own the military. How are we supposed to stop them?

49 posted on 06/14/2007 6:59:35 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: Huck
Okay. Kick McConnell out too! It's high time we cleaned house!
50 posted on 06/14/2007 7:00:04 AM PDT by Savage Beast (A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.~Durant)
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